Another brilliant Boris idea(not)

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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The Satellite Depots system would work better if all foreign incoming trucks - had to unload at depots near the port of entry OR pay £100 per trip road tax also at the port of entry.

There’s far too many law-breaking artics on our roads that are not even UK trucks, don’t pay UK road tax, park under motorway bridges behind the walls that we would get heavily fined for doing, and generally push down wages and clutter up our streets.

I’d like to see Boris get on the bloody “OUT” campaign team - instead of sitting on the fence all the time as he is right now. Each day he doesn’t pick a side - is a day he’ll be getting less respect from his own fans - let alone the rest of the public… :imp:

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Winseer:
I’d like to see Boris get on the blooddefecty “OUT” campaign team - instead of sitting on the fence all the time as he is right now. Each day he doesn’t pick a side - is a day he’ll be getting less respect from his own fans - let alone the rest of the public… :imp:

Realistically all the Eurosceptics among the Cons are in a difficult position in a referendum that could go either way and or which Cameron could renage on.Bearing in mind that the result of the referendum can only tear the Cons apart either in the form of a stronger Cameron,or ( hopefully ) a possible Fox and/or Davis takeover depending on an out vote or an in vote.On that note,just as in the case of his intentions,regarding looking after London’s interests,at the expense of the surrounding counties or anyone else,I wouldn’t trust any bs that tries to paint Boris as a being on ‘our’ side of the argument.Cameron put Boris into power on a Cameronite Europhile ticket and Boris knows it.While he wouldn’t be where he is if Cameron thought Boris wasn’t onside. :bulb:

londonlovesbusiness.com/busi … 14.article

While now surprise surprise after 40 years of EU membership we find out that EU laws aren’t supreme over German law.Probably because as we always knew the EU is run by Germany for Germany with Germany deciding and making ze rules which everyone else has to abide by.

Which if true means that UK domestic regs apply to UK truck operations not EU regs which should obviously be the first change among others ‘if’ Cameron is telling the truth.

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From a considered truck ban in the capital to who runs the EU !! wonder who set that ball rolling ■■ :unamused:

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raymundo:
From a considered truck ban in the capital to who runs the EU !! wonder who set that ball rolling ■■ :unamused:

The general credibility of Boris as a politician seems relevant to the topic title.On that note the idea of a ‘ban’ v a ‘charge’ are inconsistent,contradictory and mutually exclusive.IE just another cynical Con softening up and diversionary tactic to justify yet another road toll scam in London.

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tfl should open 4 massive rdc’s at strategic points around the m25 where all freight for delivery within the a406 is taken to and collated and distributed by tfl approved city trucks who will deliver goods then collect goods for delivery outwith london too take back too the rdc for onward delivery

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In a utopian world (for lorry driver at least) wouldn’t it be great if for a two week period every transport company and driver refused to deliver goods in to the world known as London.
Absolute chaos would ensue within days…then let’s see our leaders ( I use the term loosely) talk their way out of that one…unfortunately it won’t happen of course,…but if it did… :laughing: :laughing:

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Carryfast:

cav551:
You can predict that the satellite transfer hubs won’t be within his precious London borders oh no, but he will expect the jobs in them to be reserved for his precious inhabitants. That idiot believes that the only reason the surrounding counties are even there is to serve his empire and to be a dumping ground for what he doesn’t want.

^ This.Just like they chose to tear up the surrounding counties for the M25 instead of upgrading the North and South Circulars.

Which just leaves the question how long before Essex,Herts,Surrey and Kent etc CC’s have the sphericals to say no more and even take back some of what should still be rightly their’s.

The M25 wasn’t even meant to exist. There’s plenty of docs online showing design proposals for 4 separate motorways to go around and through London. Then they ran out of money and cobbled all different bits together, and made some up, to build the marvellous M25, which is obviously ■■■■. Also unless you live in the surrounding counties, why should you give a ■■■■?

Depots on/near the M1/M25/M4 (M4 goes to London doesn’t it?)/A41 and wherever the ■■■■ else is a trunk road. We go in, nice standard RDC ■■■■■■■■, we leave. Provide train and bus routes to the RDC’s so we can ship in accountants and whatever else scum (to appease Boris the Mighty) and there we go. We don’t have to go in, they get work. Get the scrotes to pull pallets. And then we’re back in time for dinner! (Unless you’ve come from very far north). :wink:

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My opinions on London are as follows, when they built the M25 they didn’t predict increased traffic volumes as the population increased .
When it was built, it was cheaper to make it in to more lanes than it is today.
It is too late now to make more lanes and higher cost.
Secondly, the M4 ,M3,A1,M11,M20,M40,M1,A13,A12,A3, should be viaducts or bridges in to central London and any houses underneath demolished.
Dedicated freight only lanes, no cars .
Madrid has 8 or more ring road motorways with Msa,s every 20 kms on each ring road, so lorries can wait until truck bans end.
So the driver can have a shower, eat and do the laundry on a rest period .

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htmldude:

Carryfast:
Which just leaves the question how long before Essex,Herts,Surrey and Kent etc CC’s have the sphericals to say no more and even take back some of what should still be rightly their’s.

The M25 wasn’t even meant to exist. There’s plenty of docs online showing design proposals for 4 separate motorways to go around and through London. Then they ran out of money and cobbled all different bits together, and made some up, to build the marvellous M25, which is obviously [zb]. Also unless you live in the surrounding counties, why should you give a [zb]?

Depots on/near the M1/M25/M4 (M4 goes to London doesn’t it?)/A41 and wherever the [zb] else is a trunk road. We go in, nice standard RDC ■■■■■■■■, we leave. Provide train and bus routes to the RDC’s so we can ship in accountants and whatever else scum (to appease Boris the Mighty) and there we go. We don’t have to go in, they get work. Get the scrotes to pull pallets. And then we’re back in time for dinner! (Unless you’ve come from very far north). :wink:

I think it’s clear that at least my and cav’s comments were made from the point of view of ‘the surrounding counties’. :unamused: In which case yes we’ve had enough of being caught in the middle of London’s never ending dumping of all its resulting downsides on us.In addition to those in all the other unaffected parts of the country telling us that we’ve got to take yet more of those results.In which case make your mind up either you’re talking about finding places for your ‘RDC’s’ on or near to the North and South Circulars and not the M25 or you can shove it.

As I said bearing in mind that trans shipment RDC warehousing provision doesn’t fit the definition of Green Belt that the M25 and your other examples run through and that there’s no way that you could meet that provision without resorting to tearing up yet more of the surrounding counties in that regard.

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toby1234abc:
My opinions on London are as follows, when they built the M25 they didn’t predict increased traffic volumes as the population increased .
When it was built, it was cheaper to make it in to more lanes than it is today.
It is too late now to make more lanes and higher cost.
Secondly, the M4 ,M3,A1,M11,M20,M40,M1,A13,A12,A3, should be viaducts or bridges in to central London and any houses underneath demolished.
Dedicated freight only lanes, no cars .
Madrid has 8 or more ring road motorways with Msa,s every 20 kms on each ring road, so lorries can wait until truck bans end.
So the driver can have a shower, eat and do the laundry on a rest period .

Unlike Madrid London is a too big monster that sits in a too small corner of a small Island.Which has already outgrown it’s available land space and is now just acting as a pointless unsustainable mass.Which is affecting that whole South East corner of the country regards housing and infrastructure development disproportionately compared to the rest of the country.In which case whatever anyone decides to do just leave the surrounding counties and the Green Belt areas around London out of the plan. :unamused:

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Radar19:
Thousands of angry white van men mixing it up with the usual local mob of suicidal cyclists, mental motorists, crazy cabbies, bull-headed bus drivers and bonkers builders… I can’t wait!

Don’t worry about it, you’ll be banned from mixing with them remember! Your boss won’t be able to send you there at peak hours.

Happy days.

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So we have 2 options.

1 - Truck ban. No cash for BoJo.
2 - Charging at peak times. Kerchinnnng.

I wonder which option they’ll go for :unamused:

Hate the place. Absolutely detest crossing the boundary of the M25. It’s been way too over developed and is more or less unfixable at this point. And people pay a premium to live here. No thanks.

Bring on the ban.

Can’t see that happening though. If you think people moan about us stopping them getting to work and back just wait till we keep them awake at night when our big juggernauts go thundering past their million pound 2 bed semi :smiley:

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Terry T:
So we have 2 options.

1 - Truck ban. No cash for BoJo.
2 - Charging at peak times. Kerchinnnng.

I wonder which option they’ll go for :unamused:

Hate the place. Absolutely detest crossing the boundary of the M25. It’s been way too over developed and is more or less unfixable at this point. And people pay a premium to live here. No thanks.

Bring on the ban.

Can’t see that happening though. If you think people moan about us stopping them getting to work and back just wait till we keep them awake at night when our big juggernauts go thundering past their million pound 2 bed semi :smiley:

It seems obvious that they are just taking advantage of putting out the idea of a ‘ban’ as cover for a another toll scam to add to ‘congestion’ charge and parking charges.

As for the M25 being of any relevance as a so called boundary with London’s over population and over development problem fortunately that’s an erroneous view ( so far ).While the erroneous view that it is of any relevance can only add to the problems.As opposed to fixing them in the form of the surrounding counties saying no more in fact we want some of what’s been taken back and then letting the greed driven zb hole sort it’s own problems out.

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‘Had enough’ of being dumped upon by London and elsewhere so that others can get rich is putting it mildly. That blond megalomaniac truly does see the rest of the country as subservient to the demands of his empire. He is the one whipping up demand for another London Airport, disregarding the fact that trade is with GB as a whole and not just London. Business can be done in Manchester, Newcastle or Plymouth just as easily as in the capital. Kent in particular is not just a racetrack to the channel crossing, be that by road or rail, and parking area for delayed freight. Nor is it a dormitory for better-off London workers - my local borough council, population approximately 160,000, plans under Whitehall diktat to erect nearly 20,000 houses, very few within the price range of local young buyers, to house what is primarily london overspill. The fact that resultant additional traffic congestion presents problems that are beyond their ability to overcome is just ignored. HS1 is of little value to much of the population, services to the continent from Ashford were drastically cut a few years ago. Every time M20 Stack is in operation Ashford and Maidstone are practically brought to a standstill.

I can predict that if this lunatic gets his way with periphery RDCs then M20 J8 will be on the shortlist. A couple of years ago there were plans for a road/rail interchange hub in this location. The cockeyed thinking being that continental lorries would bring, containers particularly, and other freight across the channel, whereupon at J8 the load would be transferred onto rail for delivery in the UK; lots of intelligent City money being behind the project. It seems that every few months some other attempt to erect something similar is made.

Its time to flood a couple of tunnels and destroy a couple of interchanges to send all the traffic through the centre of London again.

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cav551:
‘Had enough’ of being dumped upon by London and elsewhere so that others can get rich is putting it mildly. That blond megalomaniac truly does see the rest of the country as subservient to the demands of his empire. He is the one whipping up demand for another London Airport, disregarding the fact that trade is with GB as a whole and not just London. Business can be done in Manchester, Newcastle or Plymouth just as easily as in the capital. Kent in particular is not just a racetrack to the channel crossing, be that by road or rail, and parking area for delayed freight. Nor is it a dormitory for better-off London workers - my local borough council, population approximately 160,000, plans under Whitehall diktat to erect nearly 20,000 houses, very few within the price range of local young buyers, to house what is primarily london overspill.

I recently raised an interesting question with our local MP as to why Boris is rightly so keen on stopping Heathrow expansion because of the implications for residents in the area.

But he’s not only then keen enough to dump the problem on Gatwick or Kent instead.But he also wants to push Crossrail 2 well into Surrey with the stated intention of expanding the ‘benefits’ of London’s growth.Which is code for yet more commuter land development in the Green Belt.Because he knows that as usual Londoners don’t actually want to live in the overdeveloped zb hole that they’ve created for themselves. :unamused:

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See it from the view of a local held wards:-

I’ll use the Heathrow area as an example:

Hayes & Harlington (held by none other than John McDonnel 15k majority for Labour)
Ealing & Southhall
Feltham & Heston
All Safe Labour Seats.

Brentford on the other hand along with Ealing central and Acton - are now both Labour Marginal with majorities of less than a 1000 in both cases.
Labour didn’t take many seats off the Tories in the election - but these two are right next door to each other…

The Tories took both Twickenham and Kingston seats off the Libdems just down the road to the southeast.

Now… There are not many ways you can alter the local boundaries so that the Tories can gain back - IF you decide to enlarge heathrow airport.

The Tories COULD be complacent, and alter the boundary so that the safe Tory seat of Uxbridge (BoJo’s!) might be re-drawn to throw some much-needed Tory voters into the Labour marginals nearby - at the expense of some of Uxbridge’s majority.

Boris is always going to be in favour of “no expansion in this entire area” - as is Mayor candidate Zac Goldsmith of course… They’re just protecting their own back yard.

Look how easily Cameron found an extra 10,000 Tory voters in Rochester and Strood - to unseat Mark Reckless - DESPITE him keeping pretty much the same number of votes for when he won for UKIP in the By-Election the previous autumn… Altering the boundaries allows “safe” voters (those whom you know in advance which way they’ll vote) so that the results of bordering wards can be manipulated.
If Cameron could magic up an extra 10,000 votes for Skelly Tollhurts which represented his “throwing the kitchen sink at it to kick Reckless’ arse out of westminster” - then imagine what he could do at the NEXT election - by altering the boundaries around Heathrow airport to easily take back both Labour marginals in the area - and weaken the Shadow Chancellor into the bargain as well!

This assumes of course the Libdems don’t make a significant recovery in time for 2020 - but how could they? They are heading for extinction now… It took DECADES to get the Libdem vote up as high as it was - only for it to be dashed asunder, Cameron also palming off blame for “government dithering” over the Somerset Levels issue - upon Cleggy & Co.

That’s politics folks - It’s far easier to stab around with the knife when you’re in office - rather than out of it.

Compare that to Corbyn who’s been an MP for yonks - and only has a reputation for futile deeds, and not actually getting anything done whatsoever - His party or the opposite…

Corbyn might have more parliamentary experience than Cameron (as did Milliband) - but let’s face it - Cameron ■■■■■■ all over the pair of them, and is likely to keep doing so. He knows damned well what Blair tried out experimentally - and got away with - and he’ll make use of those observations to achieve the same type of goals for his own ends… :exclamation: :wink:

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Winseer:
See it from the view of a local held wards:-

I’ll use the Heathrow area as an example:

Hayes & Harlington (held by none other than John McDonnel 15k majority for Labour)
Ealing & Southhall
Feltham & Heston
All Safe Labour Seats.

Brentford on the other hand along with Ealing central and Acton - are now both Labour Marginal with majorities of less than a 1000 in both cases.
Labour didn’t take many seats off the Tories in the election - but these two are right next door to each other…

The Tories took both Twickenham and Kingston seats off the Libdems just down the road to the southeast.

Now… There are not many ways you can alter the local boundaries so that the Tories can gain back - IF you decide to enlarge heathrow airport.

The Tories COULD be complacent, and alter the boundary so that the safe Tory seat of Uxbridge (BoJo’s!) might be re-drawn to throw some much-needed Tory voters into the Labour marginals nearby - at the expense of some of Uxbridge’s majority.

Boris is always going to be in favour of “no expansion in this entire area” - as is Mayor candidate Zac Goldsmith of course… They’re just protecting their own back yard.

The whole issue of local politics on London’s borders is more on of cross party double dealing and lies and deception in which local politicians will say one thing to wrong foot those on the anti expansionist anti development side v the pro expansionist pro development one.With examples as I said of people like Goldsmith and Boris and McDonnel putting on a big show of being anti Heathrow expansion.While at the same time standing for Parties which are committed to it.Let alone the contradiction of people like Boris supposedly being all for residents conservationist views concerning same in some cases while then obviously proposing the total opposite in others.In addition to a national Party policy which is just as bad.In that Cameron and his MP’s tell Con voters locally that they intend to protect the Green Belt and the London/County borders from further encroachment while then doing the opposite by calling for more development and expansion.

As for the LibDem vote collapsing in both Kingston and Twickenham.That obviously wouldn’t have been helped by a National Policy of Green Belt development and obvious further expansion of London’s over developed sprawl supported by people like Vince Cable.With Ed Davey saying exactly the opposite in the case of Boris’s reputed intentions regards Crossrail 2.

Which also seem to also be supported by the Cons on the Surrey side of the border. :open_mouth: :unamused:

While the silence from Surrey and Sussex MP’s is deafening,regards Gatwick being an option for expansion if Boris and Goldsmith get their way regards Heathrow.IE in the case of local politics in this area there’s no reason to trust any of the established Parties with UKIP being the only realistic logical option.Who might hopefully even be co operative with doing what’s needed in saying no more and even returning those parts of the previous surrounding Counties’ Green Belt areas which are under GLA control.While telling London’s mayor that the place has reached if not passed its limit for further growth.The problem in that case being the massive pressures from the pro development lobby for not stopping until the place is finally stopped by the Channel. :unamused:

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simple, London is the capital, how many of these counties residents, rely on london for work look at liverpool st or KX, see how many head ot eh trains to head back to surrey essex kent etc. … I assure you if you did a FOI to LUL and the overground services , you would see loads of 1-6 + D on the yearly travelcards… what about all the taxpayers fund shifted up north to pay for the lazy northerns who claim there is no work and ponce off the dole. …

it is to expensive to live in london, I own my house in London and it will be paid off in full in apporx 3 years and I will be only 43. why because I saved like hell when i was young … would of been paid off quicker but I chose to have children etc.

EOTD, if you drivers wish to work for a pathetic wage doing 70 hours what I used to earn in 35 hours more fool you … London is my home town and sorry I would never live in a dive up north etc.

Sorry but most drivers, dont have the the qualifications or the drive to better themselves but would rather whine … its a rush hour ban … so deliveries will be made outside of them times!!

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Lucky you mortgage nearly paid.u still live in a dump with sleeper terror cells lucky you lol

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The thing is, Rochester & Strood is in my backyard - and we WANT the bloody airport - it will bring back LGV yards by the dozen to the medway area, instead of the situation as it is right now where I have to commute to Sittingbourne/Maidstone/Dartford for any bloody work.

I’d love to work for some firm like Saints who open a freight-forwarding depot in a new purposes-built industrial estate around the Cooling area for example.
Getting off the Medway City estate as it stands in mental - because it’s a major bottleneck in the Wainscott area - until the new link roads get built.

Let’s build it here FFS - and stop worrying what the 10,000 bussed-in Tory voters from R-Sole street and Mefirstpham think about this, that’s actually not their concern, them not being in the new flightpath. :unamused: :imp: