An idea for discussion

Hello and to coin a phrase from radio phone in shows, long time reader, and first time poster, the recent messages about people reading and not posing has finally made me decide to add something to and not just take from the forums. I have been in this industry for the best part of 30 years and have made many friends along the way and still enjoy being a part of it even after all those years, despite the many changes, some good some bad, that have taken place.

Over the last many months I have enjoyed reading this and the other truck sites on the Net but I have been thinking about this for a while now and feel there is a gap in the market, why is there no professional association or body for drivers? Something that can look out for the interests of drivers and set standards. Most professions and trades have such a body, Doctors, lawyers, accountants for instance; builders have the Guild of Master Craftsmen for example. When you employ a builder who is a member of that body you can expect a certain standard of work and have redress if you don’t get that and I know I would feel better about employing a tradesman who was a member of the Guild rather than a bloke out of the back of the paper. Surely such a body could go a long way to improving the terrible image the public have of drivers.

I know there are the unions but when was the last time they really cared about drivers? They are useful for when a driver may require legal assistance but to me they seem mostly about the leaders getting there Knighthood or MBE or such like.

There is the FTA and the RHA but they are for companies and as far as I am aware you cannot join the as a driver.

Then you have Trucknet and the like, but I do not see Trucknet fulfilling that role, I see this more as a meeting place for drivers, a reference resource and a place were information can be exchanged questions asked and answered, answered very quickly sometimes. A place were drivers can moan, whinge, have a laugh and exchange experiences.

So do we need a guild or association, an RHA for drivers, that can improve our image, be our spokesperson in the media set standards for professional behaviour and help to rid the industry of the cowboys? I don’t just mean the cowboy companies but the cowboy drivers whether they are owner drivers or employed drivers. There is a shortage of drivers at the moment and that is set to worsen with the advent of the WTD and I know we can expect to see some drivers arriving from foreign parts but I don’t believe it will be in enough numbers to solve the crisis but I do believe hat by ridding the industry of cowboy drivers it will make the true professional driver a more valuable commodity.

Well that’s enough for my first post and after that little lot I bet you wish I had stayed on the sidelines. :smiley:

Al.

Al are you a messinger from heaven■■?

I have been saying for a long time that they is no group or body that represents the UK driver(hgv licence holder) a body that not only represents the driver but also sets standards for the driver. A organisation that will invite drivers to join as a privalage, with standards set, and proof of them standards been kept to by the body.
Employers will be able to employ any driver who is a member knowing that the driver is professional.

This I feel could be the start of what is missing from UK transport, if set up correctly.

I feel for this discussion to carry on further you should ask Rikki or the site admin if they have any objections.

I for 1 will be looking at this with interest.

TC,in an ideal world there would be no need for any one,but I can forsee the big supermarket drivers wanting the same rights as trampers employers really wanting drivers that have the clout of a big org. behide them etc then again to many bumps on the head is not recomended. :cry: :cry:

froggy:
TC,in an ideal world there would be no need for any one

Yep i agree but some would say in an Ideal world they would be no trucks on the road! :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

I think they is a need for a Drivers guild or other to put the record straight!

Difficult one :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Most industries have a “Chartered Institute”… indeed the transport industry does as well… however this is NOT aimed at the driver.

But is is noted that industries that have a Chartered Institute, or guild tend to get respected more as professionals. trouble would be is that what criteria is used for membership, (Or indeed stripping membership), Would holding a vocational licence be enough, or would an examination be required?

There is definatly a lack of representation on new legislation, and confrontation of media bias.

Certainly I can see the benefits to the reputable companies and drivers in using Chartered or members of a guild… just think that this is a huge mine field that needs a lot of thought and input from ALL drivers…

NOTEI am posting here as a ordinary member of this site with my personal views as a truck driver :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

TC:
feel for this discussion to carry on further you should ask Rikki

To correct you here TC :open_mouth: :wink: LucyR is the Director who has responsibility for the content of all the Interactive forums nowadays… perhaps Alasdare should ask her!!! :laughing: :sunglasses:

But is is noted that industries that have a Chartered Institute, or guild tend to get respected more as professionals. trouble would be is that what criteria is used for membership, (Or indeed stripping membership), Would holding a vocational licence be enough, or would an examination be required?

As it has been said on here loads of times the UK LGV driving test is the hardest driving test in the world! so I wouldnt see a need for another test!
I think a data-base of all drivers where employers and other drivers alike could report any bad/inapropiate driving, the new guild would then ask the driver for a report and then act as it see’s fit! it would have to be a very professional set up with member having a say in it!

These are only my ideas and may be pap!!! but I am sure other drivers will; have their own ideas!

froggy:
TC,in an ideal world there would be no need for any one

I als agree but sadly we do not and are unlikely to live in an ideal world.

TC:
Al are you a messinger from heaven■■?

A organisation that will invite drivers to join as a privalage, with standards set, and proof of them standards been kept to by the body.
Employers will be able to employ any driver who is a member knowing that the driver is professional.

While I am sure I am not from Heaven, I was alive last time I looked, it does appear that we at least are singing from the same song sheet Mr. TC and it is refreshing to know that I am not a lone voice.

Rikki-UK:
But is is noted that industries that have a Chartered Institute, or guild tend to get respected more as professionals. trouble would be is that what criteria is used for membership, (Or indeed stripping membership), Would holding a vocational licence be enough, or would an examination be required?

Rikki-UK:
But is is noted that industries that have a Chartered Institute, or guild tend to get respected more as professionals. trouble would be is that what criteria is used for membership, (Or indeed stripping membership), Would holding a vocational licence be enough, or would an examination be required?

Indeed you have hit the nail on the head with the word respect and that is what I envisage this organisation giving back to us among other things. Holding a vocational licence would be the minimum requirement for membership however thought should also be given to those who drive for a living but do not for one reason or another hold a vocational licence. Maybe a small examination would also be used to determine membership. As you say it is a potential minefield and these are just initial thoughts on my behalf to see if it is an idea worth pursuing, an Institute, Guild or Association, call it what you will, for Drivers who wish to be regarded as an important part of society doing an important job in a professional manner.

Ok, guys. It’s me who has final say over what goes on these forums, and me who carries the can for anything which goes pear-shaped…so I’m going to have to be firm here.

The good news first…the thread can stand. For now.

However…[/i]
I will be watching it like a hawk. The slightest hint that it is turning into a dig at anyone else…nay, the slightest hint of a hint, and it will be yellow carded and the offending posts removed without warning or explanation other than a note to say who’s posts have been removed.
If, after that, I find just one more post which can be even slightly construed as a dig, then the thread will be pulled and the offending member suspended until a written re-agreement to abide by the rules is received by e-mail.
I’m sure you are all intelligent enough to know why I am saying this. You know the score, so there is no excuse for misunderstanding.
Ok…carry on…just keep it strictly on-topic, eh? :wink: :grimacing: :grimacing:
ps.Alasdair…I appreciate this may be slightly confusing for you as a newcomer…you have explanatory pm…oh, and Welcome to TruckNet UK!!!

A Drivers Guild.
What a chuffing good idea.

One voice for the ones who really keep this industry, nay, this country moving and eating.
At the present, we are not respected for the obvious skills we have, in fact in most corners we are not wanted by politicians and public alike, even our employers don’t like us part of the time.
I have never been a union man, and have no desire to be one, but there has to be something or someone that has the backing of every single professional driver.
A Drivers Guild could be that.

Again, WHAT A CHUFFING GOOD IDEA.

I agree it could be a good thing. Some back-up for the drivers instead of solely for the companies.

My concern is that some employers would not employ you if you were a member of such a body because of a fear of being held to ransom by their staff. I have heard of companies in the past - not in the transport industry - who refuse to employ union-members because some employees will refuse to perform certain tasks because their union says they don’t have to. Is it a possibility some employers in our industry would be the same?

I think it would take a lot of industry-wide education before a guild or union would be effective.

that could eb a problem lostpup but with a proper remit most companies I think would welcome the idea! after all it would also be them that would recieve benefits! ie getting to know who the real professional driver is!

Also I think if this does pick up it may be an idea to approch the lottery grants/EU grants to help pay for any cost this would encur!

If 1 legged gay ex rent boy associations can get a grant why not a professional drivers guild? especialy one that ensures its members comply to the law!!

Yeah, typical replies, “what a good idea… for someone to launch and head”. Don’t you think we’ve got enough Unions and “associations” already trying to shout with tiny voices without another one starting up :question:

To Alasdair, welcome to the fun pal, and I hope that Lucy has explained the current “situation” well. All I’ll say to you is can I suggest spending some time reading past threads if you’ve got the time over the weekend perhaps/whenever. Don’t be afraid to add your tuppence worth to an old thread. It’s good to read others’ views :slight_smile:

Well it appears that the powers that be are happy for this thread to continue and I am grateful for that, this is in no way meant to open old wounds.

Lostpup I do not see this Guild or Association being as confrontational as a union, indeed one of the problems unions have today is that many people remember the dark days of the seventies and regard them with suspicion, the world has moved on from that. There could be some sort of charter so that the companies know what to expect from the professional driver they are employing and the driver will in turn know what to expect from and what he has to give to the company.

It doesn’t have to be an us and them situation rather both sides, and I’m not happy with the term sides, should be working to a common goal in improving the image of this industry resulting in the drivers benefiting with more respect, better pay etc and the companies knowing the drivers can be ambassadors for them along with the benefits that would bring in securing work from customers.

RobK I have been reading old threads on this site, almost on a daily basis for the last 8 to 10 months. I did explain in my first post that I had been a regular reader but had now decided to add my tuppence worth following a plea for lurkers to join in.

I think Alasdair has the right idea… A Guild is NOT a confrontational or campaigning group, but rather a body that sets and monitors professional standards.

It promotes the profession by actively showing “Good Practice” amongst the guild members… and removing members who fail to keep up those standards.

Also A guild will be seen as the most “Professional” within the industry, and can use this recognition to influence legislation etc (Like the British Medical Assoc. does for Doctors etc)

Also when a blatent peice of journalism is produced decrying the profession… the guild will be able to speak from a position of high standards

This is VERY different from a union etc

Examples of Guilds
Guild of TV Cameramen
Guild of Healthcare Pharmacists
Guild of Tourst Guides

Rikki-UK:
Examples of Guilds
Guild of TV Cameramen
Guild of Healthcare Pharmacists
Guild of Tourst Guides

guild of truckers

:grimacing:

and whats wrong with unions,they are as strong & as good as the members want them to be .ive been a TU member all my working life (urtu) at present,even in the dark days of the miners strike(num member)i appreciated the advantages.united we stand , divided we fall.

peter cherry:
and whats wrong with unions,they are as strong & as good as the members want them to be .ive been a TU member all my working life (urtu) at present,even in the dark days of the miners strike(num member)i appreciated the advantages.united we stand , divided we fall.

This isnt about a union!!!

but as you asked
Unions bosses dont care for their paying membership! if they did no Trucker would be working for minimum wage! no Trucker would leave their workplace without their employers agreeing to pay to park their truck!, no trucker would be working 15 hour days, no trucker would risk their life driving sub-standard equipment for the job in hand!!!

unfortunatly this happens all across the country! pay your union fee’s I agree to an extent, but unions will not help the rank and file drivers who are not in a big enough workforce or agency drivers.

the new organisation will be for all drivers …no matter where they work, who they work for including OD’s, agency drivers and even other drivers who have left the indusrty and now do the job part time!
representing the drivers view as a whole not a company driver’s views but all our views as professionals!