alamcculloch:
Could any of you clear up this one?I was talking to another driver about the DCPC waste of time and all the rest of the usual.I asked him have you got the card with you,he says no its at home.I told him that he must carry it at all times,he says he would have 7 days to produce it,so who is correct.?
I believe it’s a £50.00 FPN (if checked) for not carrying an issued DQC when driving an in-scope vehicle■■?
alamcculloch:
…I told him that he must carry it at all times,he says he would have 7 days to produce it,so who is correct.?
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And Vosa are saying you could face a fine of up to £1000 for not carrying it
Rat67:
alamcculloch:
…I told him that he must carry it at all times,he says he would have 7 days to produce it,so who is correct.?You are
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And Vosa are saying you could face a fine of up to £1000 for not carrying it
You could be if as WELL AS not carrying the card the driver has also not completed the required training
VOSA should be clearer
Rat67:
alamcculloch:
…I told him that he must carry it at all times,he says he would have 7 days to produce it,so who is correct.?You are
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Although that page is not talking about the DQC itself - it is talking about a totally separate concession card.
ROG:
…VOSA should be clearer
Wouldn’t bank on that anytime soon 
Rat67:
Okay, now I can clear this up. Got my DQC today and my LGV CPC expires in 2019, my bus & coach CPC still expires in 2016. So if you pass your LGV mod 4 after you qualified for PCV, you will get your full five years of LGV entitlements.
OH GREAT !! - they have changed the rules AGAIN !
I assume to get them aligned and to keep both current the driver would need to complete 35 hours before the 2016 expiry date which would then get a DQC expiry dated for both in … 2021 … or 2024 … my guess is 2021
I will call the hotline tomorrow for a definitive
ROG:
OH GREAT !! - they have changed the rules AGAIN !I assume to get them aligned and to keep both current the driver would need to complete 35 hours before the 2016 expiry date which would then get a DQC expiry dated for both in … 2021 … or 2024 … my guess is 2021
I will call the hotline tomorrow for a definitive
Nah, they’ll have changed the rules by then. I think you’re right though on the alignment date though, makes sense.
Re: DQC…As I understand it, it’s £1,000 fine for not having done the reqd. training (either Initial or Periodic - after the relevant cut off date).
A lesser offence would be to have completed the relevant DCPC trainig & not have the DQC on your person, this could attract a FPN of £50.00 - I could be wrong!!!
ROG:
Rat67:
Okay, now I can clear this up. Got my DQC today and my LGV CPC expires in 2019, my bus & coach CPC still expires in 2016. So if you pass your LGV mod 4 after you qualified for PCV, you will get your full five years of LGV entitlements.OH GREAT !! - they have changed the rules AGAIN !
I assume to get them aligned and to keep both current the driver would need to complete 35 hours before the 2016 expiry date which would then get a DQC expiry dated for both in … 2021 … or 2024 … my guess is 2021
I will call the hotline tomorrow for a definitive
Same here.
Is that means I can drive PCV’s till 2016 and complete 35hrs before Lorry expiry date which is 2019 and will get new expiry date 2014 for both?
ROG:
Rat67:
Okay, now I can clear this up. Got my DQC today and my LGV CPC expires in 2019, my bus & coach CPC still expires in 2016. So if you pass your LGV mod 4 after you qualified for PCV, you will get your full five years of LGV entitlements.OH GREAT !! - they have changed the rules AGAIN !
I assume to get them aligned and to keep both current the driver would need to complete 35 hours before the 2016 expiry date which would then get a DQC expiry dated for both in … 2021 … or 2024 … my guess is 2021
I will call the hotline tomorrow for a definitive
It will be interesting to see what answer you get.
I rang them yesterday with the same query, I had the guys DQC in my hand. The DVSA guy sais he ‘believes’ the two dates will be aligned when the next DQC is issued. I asked what ‘believes’ meant and he said it wasn’t clear what would happen - wait until the card arrives and let him know!
He reckoned the DVSA process the card but DVLA issue it and it’s up to the DVLA. Sounded like he was guessing.
I have seen quite a few DQCs with two expiry dates though. Would be nice to be able to actually advise people properly but if I can’t get the right advice from the DSA I don’t stand much chance.
As for the offence of not carrying the card … it’s a £50 GFP with no producer/7 days/chance to go get it. Typical action when periodic training or initial CPC not done seems to be a suspension of the vocational licence until DQC produced. I’ve come across a few PCV drivers had this happen.
I called the DSA dcpc hotline and they have a scenario in front of them for this very issue
Their scenario is this …
Driver passes initial PCV in 2010 gets DQC expiry dated 2015
Driver passes initial LGV in 2014 gets DQC expiry dated 2015 for PCV and 2019 for LGV
Driver then completes 35 hours of periodic before PCV expires and gets DQC with both expiring in 2024 which is 5 years from the later LGV expiry date = YIPPEE for the driver as they get 4 years of PCV periodic for free
DIFFERENT SENARIO …
Driver is already in PCV periodic system having completed 35 hours of periodic dcpc then passes LGV initial dcpc 1 month (for example) before that PCV DQC expiry date
That driver gets a DQC with both PCV & LGV expiry dated at the PCV DQC expiry date
In this scenario the LGV initial pass does not give 5 years for the LGV
It seems unfair but the rules change when a driver is already in the periodic system for either PCV or LGV and gains either LGV or PCV initial 
Talking to one of our drivers from another depot the other day and although he’s got his card, he’s starting his next batch of training tomorrow…I’ll point out that it’s a waste of a day then
Actrosman:
Talking to one of our drivers from another depot the other day and although he’s got his card, he’s starting his next batch of training tomorrow…I’ll point out that it’s a waste of a day then
Actrosman…it will be a waste - I’ve just looked up an Emailed answer I got from JAUPT on this matter, here are the main contents of their response Email, from March 2014:
Hi Darren,
Thank you for your email.
If a driver has completed their 35 hours of Periodic Training, they cannot obtain any more hours towards their next licence. They will have to wait until the next five year period in order to obtain any further hours towards their Driver CPC licence.
If, however, a driver does decide to undertake more Periodic Training after completion of their 35 hours, then they are able to sit on the course and be taught the information, but the hours won’t be uploaded towards their next 5 year period. In other words, they cannot ‘bank’ their hours.
I hope this helps you Darren.
Kind regards,
Cheers for that, I’ll let my boss know…or shall I just take the extra 2 days off when it’s my turn and plead innocent? 
Put another way - only periodic training done within the 5 years before a DQC expiry date will count
The driver I referred to yesterday got his DQC for INITIAL Cat D and his DQC shows expiry of 19/04/17 for Cat D and 09/09/14 for Cat C (acquired rights date).
He is attending a five day course of Periodic Training this week and finishes the last day tomorrow. I rang DVSA again today and asked again what will be on his new card. I was told he will definitely get an expiry of 19/04/2022 for BOTH categories. That’s five years from his Cat D expiry date and bringing the Cat C into line with it for administrative purposes. That’d mean his Cat C DQC was for 8 years or so.
The DVSA guy then told me HOWEVER - if the driver then attended any periodic training BEFORE 2017 it wouldn’t be valid as he can only do the training in the last 5 years of the card expiry date. I queried this as that would mean a lack of on going training from 2014 to 2017 and was told this is correct.
Strikes me DVSA don’t know.
shep532:
The driver I referred to yesterday got his DQC for INITIAL Cat D and his DQC shows expiry of 19/04/17 for Cat D and 09/09/14 for Cat C (acquired rights date).He is attending a five day course of Periodic Training this week and finishes the last day tomorrow. I rang DVSA again today and asked again what will be on his new card. I was told he will definitely get an expiry of 19/04/2022 for BOTH categories. That’s five years from his Cat D expiry date and bringing the Cat C into line with it for administrative purposes. That’d mean his Cat C DQC was for 8 years or so.
The DVSA guy then told me HOWEVER - if the driver then attended any periodic training BEFORE 2017 it wouldn’t be valid as he can only do the training in the last 5 years of the card expiry date. I queried this as that would mean a lack of on going training from 2014 to 2017 and was told this is correct.
Strikes me DVSA don’t know.
They do know and have answered you correctly
The driver has not yet completed 35 hours and when doing so the alignment kicks in so in the above case it will be 5 years from the initial PCV expiry date
Had that driver already completed 35 hours before passing initial PCV then it would be a different outcome
Its weird the way its done but that is what happens