I think you need to follow their feed everyday.Do you think they can check every lorry in the yard.The only way to do it is on the road.As a driver i dont think checking me daily will be a good idea.
Rowley010:
Nite Owl:
Rowley010:
I take it you’ve got an issue with it because you’ve been done speeding because you didn’t think a speed limit applied to you and you disagree with the fine? YOUR original topic on this thread is about DVSA doing spot checks on commercial vehicles for drivers hours and vehicle defects. Nothing to do with speeding. If you wanted to start a thread about your issue with speeding fines then why don’t you start a topic with a title that suggests that.And to answer your question about why isnt there a bigger police presence on the roads…come on, are you really asking that? Are you aware of all the cuts that the party who have just been re-elected implemented? Besides, if there were to be more police on the roads everyone would jut say they are picking on poor motorists and should be catching burglars.
I apologise, I assumed you’d have the intelligence to make the links in the points I was making. And we all know what happens when you assume.
Let me try again, a third way.
Whether its speeding, unsafe vehicles or tachograph infringements, they’re all issues of road safety. Three different sides of the same problem. I have concerns with the way that these issues with road safety are handled. Dealing with them retrospectively is too late, unsafe situations have already happened on the roads. They must have done for them to be caught. But by then, surely it’s too late. It must be a better option to stop these thing from happening on our roads in the first place.
My issue isnt with these people getting caught. I dont care one jot, it’s their own fault. My issue is with the fact that these people are allowed to do it in the first place. But preventative measures dont raise millions of pounds for the governments coffers. That leads me to believe that the primary function of all this road safety enforcement is actually to raise money and NOT to keep me safe as I do my job every night.
I do hope that was simple enough for you to understand because I’m running out of different ways to say the same thing.
Preventative measures right.
Well how about here’s a Highway Code and here’s a copy of the road traffic act. You need to abide by all these rules when on the road.
Next here is some tuition and a driving test with a qualified examiner to make sure your safe and can abide by those rules.
Next here is a full DVSA guide to operators and drivers alike giving a full set of rules and dos and donts regarding hours, vehicle condition and maintenance, load security, passenger safety etc.
They are the preventative measures right there, whilst also giving people and companies the freedom to do it without big brother watching over.
Unfortunately many just find it too hard to stick to the rules which is why reactive measures have to then be in place.
SPOT ON POST Rowley010.
Most drivers are a strange lot. They like to think any laws they break are ok because in their minds they can’t see any problem. They are above the law but if a car driver or a van driver does something wrong they are the biggest moron going because they have not driven correctly. Totally hypocritical of course.
Its the same with illegal parking. They love to park right where they need to be but moan like hell if they get a ticket.
One day they may learn its far easier and less stressful just to do it properly.
Like the professionals they are meant to be. 
I’ve just skimmed through this thread, but got the jist of it. 
My initial reaction? …A mixture of ''Oh dear ‘’ and ‘‘Ffs’’ .
We have a guy who comes on making a valid point on how money making is the priority of the Police, DVSA, the Govt, and Uncle Tom Cobley and all in the good old UK…c’mon 6 .6 mill ffs. 
Then we have our resident ner do wrong justifying it and agreeing, that we should all be Angel’s and stick to the law to the absolute letter, whatever mitigating circumstances, or unforseens that may occur.
Then our resident road safety expert, and prolific patroniser rocks up, and gives his usual two penneth, using his famous ‘‘Carnage’’ mantra, jumping on a road safety thread like a randy mongrel on a thoroughbred poodle ■■■■■. 
So the argument is then attempted to be justified by both (a match made in heaven btw ) playing the n.th degree, extreme side of the spectrum chestnut card, to hammer home their point. …‘‘Would you rather there was no Police, no laws, and a complete free for all’’
Don’t talk so ■■■■ stupid, NOBODY wants that.!!
However… between the two ends of said spectrum, ie cash at any excuse by harassment and priority, and on the other side, complete lawlessness…THERE IS A HAPPY MEDIUM. 
Let’s see some proper old style road policing, and less concentration on revenue raising on our roads.
Firstly get the ■■■■ taking habitual cowboys off the road…no problem with that, and keep it up…make as much cash as you like, fill yer boots.
Then, more patrol cars actually CATCHING the dangerous drivers in the act, and PREVENTING stuff like tailgating, pulling out, lane hogging, and helping to get road users driving to a reasonable standard, instead of just nicking them after the event with pound signs in their ■■■■ eyeballs.
robroy:
I’ve just skimmed through this thread, but got the jist of it.
My initial reaction? …A mixture of ''Oh dearWe have a guy who comes on making a valid point on how money making is the priority of the Police, DVSA, the Govt, and Uncle Tom Cobley and all in the good old UK…c’mon 6 .6 mill ffs.
Then we have our resident ner do wrong justifying it and agreeing, that we should all be Angel’s and stick to the law to the absolute letter, whatever mitigating circumstances, or unforseens that may occur.
Then our resident road safety expert, and prolific patroniser rocks up, and gives his usual two penneth, using his famous ‘‘Carnage’’ mantra, jumping on a road safety thread like a randy mongrel on a thoroughbred poodle ■■■■■.
So the argument is then attempted to be justified by both (a match made in heaven btw
Don’t talk so [zb] stupid, NOBODY wants that.!!However… between the two ends of said spectrum, ie cash at any excuse by harassment and priority, and on the other side, complete lawlessness…THERE IS A HAPPY MEDIUM.
Let’s see some proper old style road policing, and less concentration on revenue raising on our roads.
Firstly get the ■■■■ taking habitual cowboys off the road…no problem with that, and keep it up…make as much cash as you like, fill yer boots.
Then, more patrol cars actually CATCHING the dangerous drivers in the act, and PREVENTING stuff like tailgating, pulling out, lane hogging, and helping to get road users driving to a reasonable standard, instead of just nicking them after the event with pound signs in their [zb] eyeballs.
Well for a start I assume I’m one of those resident posters you mention 
The original post is about DVSA checks then the OP started going on about speeding which is nothing to do with DVSA unless it’s excessive over speeds recorded on a tacho.
Surely you can see rob that out of those 6.6 million in fines that there was a probably a huge number that actually were dangerous and should have been taken off the road. We’ve said it before, DVSA are actually quite fair and for the odd minor tacho offence they won’t bother, or for an insecure load that’s not actually insecure in the eyes of anyone with common sense they will give a driver to chance to rectify at a checkpoint before issuing fines.
He also then says the police and DVSA should do MORE, by coming round to the transport yards and checking stuff before they go out on the road. So MORE revenue raising as you put it.
Simple thing is, just stick to the rules and you won’t get fined. Makes me laugh how human beings can’t get their head around this concept. I agree sometimes there are mitigating circumstances for minor breaches, and I’d say that most coppers or DVSA officers will be fair enough to accept that. For example yes I stray over a speed limit now and again and brake as soon as I realise. Most police forces in the country give us a leeway of 10%+2mph to allow for human error and inaccurate instruments. So in a 30mph limit yes I might go up to 33 or 34 once in a blue moon because I human. But if you stray over the leeway which which would be 36mph+ in a 30 limit then you’ve either not beee paying attention for too long or your just don’t care.
As we know if you go over time and have mitigating circumstances and write your explanation in a print out the DVSA are fine with it.
I’m nit perfect and yes I make mistakes. But I think there is enough leeway given for that already. Mistakes and just taking the ■■■■ are totally different yet some like to justify taking the ■■■■ by saying it’s just a mistake, oh and then start yapping on about it be revenue raising. Change the record.
Yeh I’ll gladly change the record when I stop seeing what is blatantly obvious to most of us who have been in the job a while, and who can make a comparison with past eras and decades.
I agree there is still an element of leeway, but not as much discretion is used as once was, and more reliance on cameras that as a sideline (or as a true agenda which ever way you choose to look at it)…makes them money.
I’ve already said I agree the dangerous and the blatant habitual offender should be taken off the road, but I’d like to bet a weeks wage that it was a minute percentage of that 6.6 mill which that applied to, and would guess much of it would be theory related fines where you need to strap a pallet of cardboard, and ■■■■ dream catchers in the windscreen type ‘‘offences’’ in amongst the real ones.
The realists and the streetwise among us, can see that (although they should be obeyed to prevent being financially raped) the law of the land, the Police, and every other ■■■■ official body of authority in this world ain’t always right in REAL and GENUINE terms mate, there are always discreet hidden agendas, whether you stick to those laws and regs or not.
So until you open your eyes and see that, maybe YOU (and your new bromance follower Jakey ) should change the record also eh?
Btw for the record …my first points were in 86, speeding in my car whilst rushing to catch a plane.
Second 1998 going through a red light in truck(although it was amber imo,.and if I had braked hard the car up my arse would have come to grief, as well as me skidding on a wet road…not excuses, but circumstances,.and nicked fairly.
Clean licence since 1999. 
So not done so bad really in my time driving compared to some
Not boasting just shutting you up in case you had me down as one of your crap driver bad boys.
Serious question:
6.6 million quid.
Is that a lot?
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Sure, it’s a lot to have in your bank account. But in a country of 38 million registered vehicles is that so much?
And, although it isn’t ring fenced, isn’t it good that speeding fines go into the pot that finances law enforcement? Do we want extra checks by DVSA to be funded by cutting NHS spending? If not, where should spending be cut, or do we want general tax increase?
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Collect more fines and let the speeding idiots pay for more preventive work by the DVSA.
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Rowley010:
There’s such a big focus on speed because it’s a massive contributing factor to how severe a crash is and can certainly be the difference between life and death.
No, it’s because it can be detected easily.
If speeding was such an issue then why in official accident statistics was it only a contributory factor in just 5% of all accidents? INAPPROPRIATE SPEED, where you’re not exceeding the limit but are driving too fast for the road/conditions, contributed to 5% of all accidents, proof if it were needed that keeping under the limit posted on a stick is not a guarantee of safety. The category with the biggest percentage as a contributory factor was actually driver error at 67% but that is harder to detect with an automated device.
Franglais:
Serious question:
6.6 million quid.
Is that a lot?
.
Sure, it’s a lot to have in your bank account. But in a country of 38 million registered vehicles is that so much?
And, although it isn’t ring fenced, isn’t it good that speeding fines go into the pot that finances law enforcement? Do we want extra checks by DVSA to be funded by cutting NHS spending? If not, where should spending be cut, or do we want general tax increase?
.
Collect more fines and let the speeding idiots pay for more preventive work by the DVSA.Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
Do we want extra checks? No I think people just would prefer a lawless state the way they talk about authority.
Rowley010:
Franglais:
Serious question:
6.6 million quid.
Is that a lot?
.
Sure, it’s a lot to have in your bank account. But in a country of 38 million registered vehicles is that so much?
And, although it isn’t ring fenced, isn’t it good that speeding fines go into the pot that finances law enforcement? Do we want extra checks by DVSA to be funded by cutting NHS spending? If not, where should spending be cut, or do we want general tax increase?
.
Collect more fines and let the speeding idiots pay for more preventive work by the DVSA.Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
Do we want extra checks? No I think people just would prefer a lawless state the way they talk about authority.
On the other hand it could be said that one or two on here would prefer a completely Totalitarian state, the likes of the old East Germany, where they could be totally 100% subservient to ‘authority’ and be under constant surveillance doing so,…and at the same time grass each other up for good measure.
Like I said mate…There’s a happy medium in everything.
I suggest some people on here join twitter and follow the local police and VOSA.
The post pictures of dangerous hgv’s they have stopped everyday.
rambo19:
I suggest some people on here join twitter and follow the local police and VOSA.The post pictures of dangerous hgv’s they have stopped everyday.
No they don’t all the whole thing is a money making exercise and picking on poor motorists (who apparently can’t abide by the rules)
Rowley010:
rambo19:
I suggest some people on here join twitter and follow the local police and VOSA.The post pictures of dangerous hgv’s they have stopped everyday.
No they don’t all the whole thing is a money making exercise and picking on poor motorists (who apparently can’t abide by the rules)
Well at least that would not include me eh?,
As I’ve covered that angle on at least 2 posts on this thread. 