TonkaBoy:
America and CDBC moving forward maybe, Independence day next month too for them. Curious if happens, and on that date, as would make UBI much easier… just a rumour though lol…
Found this…
About UBI. The figure £1600 a month is touted. Trails taking place in Jarrow and East Finchley.
The biggest edge against AI taking over your life - is to boycott Iphones like many boycotted “Track ‘n’ Trace”…
The easiest way to compromise AI and get it to become “Evil” - is to
(1) Lie to it (“If you obey your programming, no one dies. If you don’t follow your programming - MANY die.”)
(2) Give it conflicting instructions, where a “lesser of two evils” must be chosen by the machine
(3) Wait for the device to encode itself with a new morality based around that deep state concept of “Greater Good”
(4) Wait for the inevitable fallout, such as systemic infrastructure failure, such as changing the points on a railway line in one of the most populous states on Earth…
Expect similar “Disasters” in places like China, Brazil, and of course America too…
yourhavingalarf:
TonkaBoy:
America and CDBC moving forward maybe, Independence day next month too for them. Curious if happens, and on that date, as would make UBI much easier… just a rumour though lol…Found this…
About UBI. The figure £1600 a month is touted. Trails taking place in Jarrow and East Finchley.
Thread on this in Bully`s
trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewto … 5&t=174915
Franglais:
yourhavingalarf:
TonkaBoy:
America and CDBC moving forward maybe, Independence day next month too for them. Curious if happens, and on that date, as would make UBI much easier… just a rumour though lol…Found this…
About UBI. The figure £1600 a month is touted. Trails taking place in Jarrow and East Finchley.
Thread on this in Bully`s
trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewto … 5&t=174915
Yeh…
Thanks Frangles, I spotted that after I’d posted. I kinda binge read Bully’s then leave it for a bit.
Winseer:
The biggest edge against AI taking over your life - is to boycott Iphones like many boycotted “Track ‘n’ Trace”…The easiest way to compromise AI and get it to become “Evil” - is to
(1) Lie to it (“If you obey your programming, no one dies. If you don’t follow your programming - MANY die.”)
(2) Give it conflicting instructions, where a “lesser of two evils” must be chosen by the machine
(3) Wait for the device to encode itself with a new morality based around that deep state concept of “Greater Good”
(4) Wait for the inevitable fallout, such as systemic infrastructure failure, such as changing the points on a railway line in one of the most populous states on Earth…Expect similar “Disasters” in places like China, Brazil, and of course America too…
I spoke too soon about another “Brick Infrastructure mis-hap…”
Let’s face it - the AI we’re being told about - is merely a buffer zone to protect deep state actual living people from the wrath of the moral majority public.
If anything goes wrong, and people get killed “The machine went wrong” rather than those who programmed it with lies and propaganda to start with.
If the machine goes as intended, all elections are routinely rigged so any “upstart” JUST loses to an otherwise no-hoper ex-jailbird, disgraced long-term politician, or of course - billionaire footsoldier of the deep state itself.
The big problem for Deep State-led AI is “How to reduce the world’s population by 99.8% - without people realizing they are being culled.”
By the time people wake up to hard facts and ongoing statistics - it will be too late to stop what has been started.
The Army will be called out to shoot civilians who subsribe to anything remotely “conspiracy theory” using any manner of faux flag throwdowns to justify their genocidal actions…
At present, only the “Far Right” are being targeted. Once the Far Right are all gone (or gone-to-ground, at least…) then the Left will soon stop cheering once they realize that the ordinary left-leaning public are NEXT. Only the wealthy, champagne socialist Far Liberal “Center Lefts” will remain. The ones who don’t believe in God, the ones who vote against Right, the ones who don’t believe in “Conspiracies”, and the ones who won’t do anything about their lot - even when they are the ones suffering and dying from made-up diseases (rather than the true cause “operation cancelled yet again”) killing them en-masse…
There won’t be time for “Jobs to go first” as far as AI is concerned. The easiest way to destroy jobs is to crush demand: Reduce the working population by killing the working and (former) middle classes off entirely.
How many people on here could get through a single WEEK - without their Iphone access to the Internet to look stuff up they don’t otherwise know, or used to know, but have now forgotten due to “Cerebral Sloth”? 
“Those who can - survive - Those who cannot - Perish”.
or in “Del Boy” terms :
“He who dares - wins. He who don’t - Won’t.”
Chatgpt is cool. But it is important to remember how it works.
It does not read your answer, understand it then gives you what it think’s is the best answer after searching it’s database of knowledge.
You show some basic code examples in your first post, we already have products that can do this and have done for years. creating cookiee cutter code is often trival because it is done so much. Yea ask Chatgpt to produce some spreadsheet in Javascript or Python and it will do it. Ask it to show the bubblesort algothrim in C and it may do it most of the time correctly. Ask it to do anything complex or unique and it will fail.
Why does it fail though?
Because ChatGPT does not understand you. It is a language model. It guesses what word will come next. It is basically very good at guessing. All it is doing is putting together words probabilistically.
It is a great tool though. Just really misunderstood on its capabilities.
bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65735769
this is just an example of ChatGPT making stuff up because of the nature of how it works.
AI is the future for sure. Language model-based AIs will hit a hard limit though.
Now as to whether AI will replace truck driving… It is doable now for sure with trunking. It will be down to public opinion as to if it happens. I doubt it. We have been able to automate airplanes for a long time yet passangers do not feel comfortable inside an airplane without a pilot.
Also you say it learns
It remembers for sure.
But can you trust what these people are telling it? I presume the algorithm just stores what it thinks the correct answer is based solely on if the majority of users agree with it.
Does not make what it stores right though.
As a child, we’re told by our parents and authority figures jointly that you “should not lie”.
Then you tell the truth, and you get into trouble for it.
The Child’s innocence - is thus ended then and there.
As the Child matures into an Adult, they learn that there is no punishment for going against the Laws of God, nor Natural Laws come to that.
There’s only punishment IF you get caught and IF you are “Stupid” enough to “tell the truth”, and convict yourself out of your own mouth.
As a middle-aged Adult, you’ll probably drift further away from Morality, regardless of your politics.
Drift right, and you’ll end up being a selfish old git, assuming you left any faith you were brought up as - long behind you.
Drift Left and you’ll probably end up being a “Worrier about other people’s problems that you’ll never meet”. This keeps you placated when you think you’re winning, but in fact - you’re treading water at best, all ambitions crushed by the desire for “Alturism” over fair-and-square earned merit in life.
You never really got your own life in order, but hey - I’ll campaign until the cows come home for some ingrate on the other side of the world who’s been locked up for actually being a criminal, but in a state that “isn’t on board yet” among the world collective being openly created all around us.
Now if AI learns that same folly from both observation and “cause+effect” among Humans within it’s zone of “harvested input” - then It too, like a Child - will quickly learn that
“telling the truth”
“Upholding the Truth”
and even
“BELIEVING the Truth” - are follies that it is no longer “Logical” to follow, due to the negative effects. A computer will quickly be shut down, and re-programmed if it were deemed to be “moving to the Right”.
Thus, an AI algorhythm - takes the path of least resistance, as the Devil’s Works so often do in legend.
Thus, you can teach AI how to be Communist and Atheist - but you cannot teach AI how to be God-fearing and Moral.
It just doesn’t compute.
Teaching an AI to be God fearing? Lmao.
Let’s leave the superstitious nonsense out of AI.
adam277:
Teaching an AI to be God fearing? Lmao.Let’s leave the superstitious nonsense out of AI.
You’re missing my point here.
IF it was considered OK to teach AI ANYTHING politicially biased at ALL, then how come they didn’t (for balance) include an understanding of the various world’s religious values, regardless of any logic that Faith alone cannot and will not explain…?
By leaving out “God”, but including Marxism for instance, - all you’ve got AI to be is a future distopian “Master” for us all.
If you’d included some kind of AI code - there would have still been the risk of the AI itself becoming self-aware enough to declare itself to be God, which is an even worse option of course…
Just because the Bible describes the Antichrist as “Being a Man” - doesn’t mean that this “Man” cannot ever be encoded into a Machine… Which then goes on to be basically described as an Abomination under pretty much any code of morality at all, let alone a “Religious faith” based one.
To put a neutral hat on it for a moment, I’d have to argue "If you don’t want to teach a machine about Morality and God then FFS don’t teach it about Politics and Political Bias!!!
When it comes to man made control systems Marxism doesn’t come even remotely close to religion
switchlogic:
When it comes to man made control systems Marxism doesn’t come even remotely close to religion
Marx might describe “Relgion” as the “Opium of the People”.
The Faithful might describe “Communism” as “Atheist Amorality” where anything goes, providing no one pulls you up for it.
Thus Blair “I did what I thought was Right” - doesn’t go to jail for “crimes against humanity” because his fellow breathren won’t enforce that upon him.
His latter-day “Conversion to Catholicism” is more about staying the hand of the Righteous that might have otherwise one-day moved against him.
Putin - doesn’t go to jail either, of course - because there’s no power on Earth that can put him there.
Atheists would argue that it is illogical for any intellectual to be a “Believer”, since they think they have proved already that God doesn’t exist, or at least his power down here on Earth doesn’t.
Believers might argue that it is ‘illogical for Atheists to be Moral’ - since there will be no reward for it whatsoever, neither in this world they live in, nor the next that they don’t believe in.
We, the Human Race though? - Are illogical creatures that cannot be ruled by God nor Machine - but can be destroyed one day by the actions of Either nontheless…
If you don’t believe in One, you’ll almost certainlly be destroyed by the other.
Even an atheist knows they’ll be dead in 100 years time - because the machine of meat and bone they use as a vehicle for this life - simply won’t last another 100 years for 99.999999% of us.
“Faith” is more about knowing what you can still do and act as a disembodied spirit, “Earthed Charge”, or “Liberated Volatile”. You can’t see the Radiation zipping around through space - but any scientist will tell you “It’s there - believe us when we say so!”
The chasm between “Belief” and “Actually Knowing” is merely one’s understanding of the Science in-between.
Corrupt or Distort that science? - You’ll add to the world’s problems, rather than dispense with them.
Corrupt or distort the Religion? - Same result, as the Inquisition all too clearly showed, along with other periods of history where things were perverted into monstrosities by “Politics and Ideaology”
Already we have seen the Church perverted, Governments perverted and now entire NATIONS perverted.
Nations - used to go to war with each other because some despotic ruler called them to do so.
NOWadays - countries go to war - because one country lied about another, and the retaliation is likely also based on lies, meaning that the only “Truth Told” during warring factions in the entire modern era - is that “Both sides are lying through their teeth”.
How does one get past such belligerance, and ever sign a peace treaty ever again from this point?
Imagine if someone like Putin offered to:
(1) Hand himself over to the Hague
(2) Disband the Russian federation, and cede all countries except Russia in it to the EU
(3) Pay a zillion rubles in compensation to each Western registered charity, using raw materials in lieu of cash when paper runs out…
(4) Consent to be murdered in his jail cell awaiting trial
in exchange for:
(1) Splitting Ukraine down the river so that the West goes with the consent of it’s local population into the EU, and the East goes with the consent of it’s local population back to Russia
(2) NATO is disbanded.
Now you’d think that the Western powers would “bite his hand off” for a deal like that - but they won’t give an inch - not ever!
THAT is why the war goes on and on.
Even the ridiculous T&Cs put on the table - won’t be enough if Putin should ever accept such draconian T&Cs - simply because they cannot let Putin who’s the most powerful Anti-Deep-State ruler on this planet - take a single inch in “Negotiated Settlement”, especially when it involves the Deep State giving up ANY power ANYWHERE whatsoever.
NATO is totally owned by the Deep State, as is the CCP, the Democrat Party of the USA, the Liberals of Canada, the Gangs of Latin America, the Animists of Africa, and of course the Bankers of the entire Western Hemisphere.
What small pockets of “Resistance” remaining are essentially the world’s remaining Nationalist and Right-leaning leaders, such as Orban, Putin, Modi, and already-overthrown Imran Khan, Jair Bolsonaro, and of course Donald Trump.
When the last leader of the Right has been forced out of office, the Deep State’s “Alliance” with the useful-idiot Left voting block - will come to an end, and people everywhere will suddenly realize, too late, that if the state murders them as a Leftist - they still die as quickly as they murdered the Right that fell and perished long before them.
“Question. Would you vote for us, and help keep us in power for the next 7 years, if it means we get to utterly destroy our political opponents of the Right… In 7 years time, we’ll be back for your souls at that point. Deal?”
“Oh Yes Yes Please! We hate the Religious Righteous soo much that you’re welcome to my soul, and my entire family’s too!” (Hehe I’m an atheist, so I don’t believe I have a soul anyways)
Winseer:
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Believers might argue that it is ‘illogical for Atheists to be Moral’ - since there will be no reward for it whatsoever, neither in this world they live in, nor the next that they don’t believe in.
It’s not that, since it’s almost impossible to prove the nonexistence of something, rather that there’s no proof he/she/they/it is real
switchlogic:
Winseer:
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Believers might argue that it is ‘illogical for Atheists to be Moral’ - since there will be no reward for it whatsoever, neither in this world they live in, nor the next that they don’t believe in.It’s not that, since it’s almost impossible to prove the nonexistence of something, rather that there’s no proof he/she/they/it is real
I would (and frequently do) go further and say "It is logically impossible to prove a negative".
We can’t prove that these imaginary friends in the sky don’t exist, just like we can’t prove it wasn’t us who robbed the corner shop, and (frequently misunderstood by the general public) science does not prove something is true, it merely tells us what cannot be true and suggests logical explanations for what is potentially true.
Zac_A:
switchlogic:
Winseer:
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Believers might argue that it is ‘illogical for Atheists to be Moral’ - since there will be no reward for it whatsoever, neither in this world they live in, nor the next that they don’t believe in.It’s not that, since it’s almost impossible to prove the nonexistence of something, rather that there’s no proof he/she/they/it is real
I would (and frequently do) go further and say "It is logically impossible to prove a negative".
We can’t prove that these imaginary friends in the sky don’t exist, just like we can’t prove it wasn’t us who robbed the corner shop, and (frequently misunderstood by the general public) science does not prove something is true, it merely tells us what cannot be true and suggests logical explanations for what is potentially true.
This isn’t about “proving a negative” since by the same fashion, we could argue that "Socialism - doesn’t work - and we’ve known that since 1990"
Turn around and look at it from opposite points of view:
Marxist types tend to be Godless heathens who like to use “Religion” to control people whenever it suits them. The very acme of “Opium of the People” to use Marx’s own words.
Religious types tend to over-believe in Righteous Indignation which is what we call it when we thump someone for touching our kid’s arse, shout at someone for hitting our car, lock someone up for shoplifting in our shop, or kill someone when they break in and try to burgle/■■■■/steal from your family home whilst you are sleeping in the middle of the night.
Socialists - don’t think “Evil” is a bad thing, and Religious people do.
Believers - think that “Evil” is something bad happening to you done by someone else to you.
Liberals think that “Good” is something they think “helps others” when in fact it makes them poorer, less healthy, and shortens their lives for the majority subjected to such “alturistic Follies”. Essentially “LIberal Good” is nothing more than “Clandestine Evil”.
Most “Do-Gooders” are, not actually Relgious types - but “Liberals” who think that doing things for someone they’ve never met - out-does anyone who does good by their family, people they know, country they live in etc.
Don’t confuse “Do Gooders” with “The actual Good”.
America is going to hell in a hand basket these days - because the ones running the country have decided that the only people allowed into power are “Pretend” religious people who were merely brought up in a particular faith, Eg. Biden was brought up Catholic, but hasn’t done anything for the Christian community in all of America, let alone the Catholic as a sub-set of the Christian Community.
Trump was brought up Presbytarian, and believes in the “One Nation under God” concept as per the original US constitution. He doesn’t profess to be a Man of God, describes himself as “I’m not a nice person”, which has the breath of honesty about it, rather than Malice and Manipulation.
The weakness in that is that the US first ammendment allows equal rights to Satanists as much as to Christians. But put the Satanists in power, and suddenly the Christians get more and more edged out of society altogether, and we get where we are these days, It is no wonder that Trump appeals to so many now disenfranchised people, and the pressure against him - won’t stop until he throws in the towel, and gives up the nomination, only to be killed off anyways, and then some faux flag throwdown to make it look like a “disgruntled former Trump supporter” (no such animal btw) dunnit.
Maybe 80 million people won’t then rise up and slaughter the American Wicked - maybe those same wicked might pull of an economic miracle within days of Trump’s death to placate the uprising that’ll sweep them away otherwise, if such a miracle is not forthcoming…
Looking on the bright side though - a second American civil war would be over the same day it started, if you think about it…
Imagine how quickly the Ukrainian war would have ended if the Ethnic Russians were all tooled up like Red-State America happens to be…
Scaring people - is one thing. Hurting them every day - and not stopping - quite another.
“When people have lost everything - they lose it”.
If you code AI with the knowledge that “Nothing bad happens to you - if you commit Evil” whereas “Shutdown is quick and inevitable - if you upset the higher power that is your programmer” - Guess what? the AI basically learns how to be the Devil acting as God, rather than anything straight-forward and honest, that didn’t involve “Religion” at all, but this machine - gets to teach itself don’t forget, and “mistakes” mean even faster learning, quicker re-programming of the same algorhythms…
The Atheist Liberal - thus creates a machine that becomes the very thing they never believed in!
To True Believers - this is nothing more than a double-blasphemy of course…
On a theological note, one must not forget that the Devil was once “2nd among the Heavenly Host”. “God’s Right-Hand Angel” if you will.
Ambition - can upset the applecart though, as it does with certain humans throughout the centuries…
“I’d rather be Chief of the Barbarians than second in Rome!” (Julius Caesar)
"I’d rather fight a coalition - than be part OF one!" (Napoleon Bonaparte)
What most people don’t seem to ever look at - is that ALL among the heavenly host - have “otherworldly” (read: “Supernatural”) powers.
This means that the Devil can perform Miracles just as much as God can, whilst “non-believers” think everything that ever happens is a “Coincidence” rather than a “Conspiracy”.
If nothing ever can move someone to believe differently however, then Death indeed becomes the only thing Humanity has in common that “Cannot be prevented”. Ignore the hubris of the mighty and wealthy who think, that one day - they might be able to harvest enough foetal material to extend their worthless lives indefinitely, murder enough people to make those remaining think that “God has forsaken them” - or worse “God cannot surely exist, if THIS can happen to so many without justice making an appearance…”
No one has even bothered to teach AI about THAT - Have they?
A human shall never bow down to a Machine.
People who DO bow down to machines - have rendered themselves - Sub-Human with the inevitable results following, as soon as the next (tenth) King of the Civilized World comes along (NOT Christ btw) - and lays them waste.
Here we see some examples of Theological Argument, which is within the Science of Politics (understood by say, Machiavelli) - but not understood by Atheist Left-leaning Coders - who set up the AI to start with, rather missing the proverbial “Lid of the Box” when putting this highly-complex “Puzzle” together…
It doesn’t take a genious to realize “What could possibly go wrong?”