I’m just applying for yet another class 1 trunking job after the debacle last week detailed elsewhere…
The agency in question are asking me to agree and sign that I will be responsible for any vehicle damage (caused by my negligence) up to the sum of £250.
Further, I must agree that they will deduct £10 per week from any remittance I am paid (the “Accumulated Fund”) for the purpose of meeting any liability to the Company in respect of parking fines /penalty charge notices.
This to be paid back weekly once the threshold has been reached (£250) provided that no claim is to be made against you.
Bit ■■■■■■■ much if you ask me. What’s the insurance for one asks?
Truckulent:
I’m just applying for yet another class 1 trunking job after the debacle last week detailed elsewhere…
The agency in question are asking me to agree and sign that I will be responsible for any vehicle damage (caused by my negligence) up to the sum of £250.
Further, I must agree that they will deduct £10 per week from any remittance I am paid (the “Accumulated Fund”) for the purpose of meeting any liability to the Company in respect of parking fines /penalty charge notices.
This to be paid back weekly once the threshold has been reached (£250) provided that no claim is to be made against you.
Bit [zb] much if you ask me. What’s the insurance for one asks?
Any thoughts, fellow drivers?
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Parking fines are the responsibility of the driver maybe. Since vehicles have records of who is driving it is up to the company to recoup said costs.
It is part of THEIR business to do that. If they can’t be arsed that is THEIR choice.
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Insurance comes in many forms and costs.
If a company wants a cheap insurance that has a high excess, that is THEIR choice.
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It isn’t up to drivers to subsidise or underwrite a company’s choice of cheap insurance.
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Truckulent:
I’m just applying for yet another class 1 trunking job after the debacle last week detailed elsewhere…
The agency in question are asking me to agree and sign that I will be responsible for any vehicle damage (caused by my negligence) up to the sum of £250.
Further, I must agree that they will deduct £10 per week from any remittance I am paid (the “Accumulated Fund”) for the purpose of meeting any liability to the Company in respect of parking fines /penalty charge notices.
This to be paid back weekly once the threshold has been reached (£250) provided that no claim is to be made against you.
Bit [zb] much if you ask me. What’s the insurance for one asks?
Any thoughts, fellow drivers?
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Parking fines are the responsibility of the driver maybe. Since vehicles have records of who is driving it is up to the company to recoup said costs.
It is part of THEIR business to do that. If they can’t be arsed that is THEIR choice.
.
Insurance comes in many forms and costs.
If a company wants a cheap insurance that has a high excess, that is THEIR choice.
.
It isn’t up to drivers to subsidise or underwrite a company’s choice of cheap insurance.
.
I agree - if I am issued with a penalty notice it’s my issue. But that’s nothing to do with the company - all they do is tell the authorities who was driving at the time. Collecting the money first “just in case” is, in my view, wrong - and not the job of the company.
Please, please do look elsewhere if possible.
We must not allow companies to make this the norm.
PAYE = minimal risk to the take home pay being anything less than is expected every week; low risk, steady reward.
Let the companies take the risk as they will take all the extra rewards if they come through.
Truckulent:
I’m just applying for yet another class 1 trunking job after the debacle last week detailed elsewhere…
The agency in question are asking me to agree and sign that I will be responsible for any vehicle damage (caused by my negligence) up to the sum of £250.
Further, I must agree that they will deduct £10 per week from any remittance I am paid (the “Accumulated Fund”) for the purpose of meeting any liability to the Company in respect of parking fines /penalty charge notices.
This to be paid back weekly once the threshold has been reached (£250) provided that no claim is to be made against you.
Bit [zb] much if you ask me. What’s the insurance for one asks?
Any thoughts, fellow drivers?
My thought is are you deliberately looking for crap agencies? Do you drive around, see one sat in the corner of a yard in a small portacabin with a mobile number on a bit of card and think “that’ll be a good one to sign up to?”
Over quarter of a century experience of working for agencies I’ve never been asked to go Ltd or Umbrella, never been asked to pay for drivers negligence insurance, never had to pay for damages, had any deductions made to pay into a “claim pot”, no deductions for things like fines mentioned - when I’ve had a fine the agency client has said it was me who was driving and I’ve had the fine sent directly to me from the issuing authority. The only deductions I’ve ever had was when there’s been a mistake with pay and they’ve overpaid me.
Is there some specific part of the country where agencies who do this crap exist?
Franglais:
If a company wants a cheap insurance that has a high excess, that is THEIR choice.
.
It isn’t up to drivers to subsidise or underwrite a company’s choice of cheap insurance.
.
Trunking work with the risk of parking penalties who are they trying to fool.
Probably the usual 7.5t or 18t class 2 urban multi drop work for class 1 money scam.
That’s why they want the naive mug to pay up front for the inevitable parking penalty notices and to cover the operator’s equally inevitable uninsured losses for the minor damage and dodgy claims bill.
Conor:
My thought is are you deliberately looking for crap agencies? Do you drive around, see one sat in the corner of a yard in a small portacabin with a mobile number on a bit of card and think “that’ll be a good one to sign up to?”
Over quarter of a century experience of working for agencies I’ve never been asked to go Ltd or Umbrella, never been asked to pay for drivers negligence insurance, never had to pay for damages, had any deductions made to pay into a “claim pot”, no deductions for things like fines mentioned - when I’ve had a fine the agency client has said it was me who was driving and I’ve had the fine sent directly to me from the issuing authority. The only deductions I’ve ever had was when there’s been a mistake with pay and they’ve overpaid me.
Is there some specific part of the country where agencies who do this crap exist?
7.5t/18t local/urban retail multi drop, sometimes described as trunking work to attract navie hopefuls and usually paid at class 1 rates, because operators are that desperate is obviously the default job market met by agencies, in areas in and around the major conurbations.Where the main job market for drivers is made up of the local building and construction supplies sector and the local retail distribution sector.
Strange how I can understand exactly what the OP is talking about but you can’t in that regard.
It’s obvious why operators would then want to put the resulting increased risk of minor damage and parking penalties onto drivers.
In my case the similar resulting issues were when working for Manpower/Overdrive so not exactly a portacabin operation.
I can even remember being tested on my geographic knowledge of the country and asked if I have a passport, to obviously create a false impression of all that UK class 1 distance and even the possibility of international work that I’d be doing within the week.
When we just know that the reaility was a virtual constant diet of 7.5t/class 3 local building supplies/yard labourer, local retail multi drop crap.
That’s probably the difference between being based near London as opposed to Norfolk or Lincolnshire.
Only learn’t with the luxury of plenty of hindsight and experience.
I’d say that if you signed up with the agreement of this “excess”, but then refused to have it deducted from wages in advance - then the agency is going to be obliged to give you a few more shifts AFTER any such claim against you - which they can then deduct from…
This prevents an agency swiping the lot, paying you short, and then getting rid of you in one movement, leaving you short possibly to pay vital bills…
Umbrella - effectively obliged an agency to give you ONE shift per week - an amount that the £27 overhead could be deducted from.
They’d not be able to deduct - if you got zippo work any week, like Mid November or January-Valentines day, which continues to be common on agencies, even now, I suspect…
Thus, it is possible to make dodgy accounting practices work for YOU in this manner.
Beyond all that - “Walk Away” would seem to be good advice too, as there are plenty more agency fish in the sea, especially right now.
AVOID the dodgy ones.
It is a shame we posters cannot review agencies on here…
Also, if I were an experienced driver with the two years - there shouldn’t be any need to rip people off via an insurance excess in this manner - should there?
Maybe agencies should insist on 3 points OK or even a clean licence, rather than this “six points OK” rubbish, which any reasonable insurer - is going to take exception to, and with good reason…
It wouldn’t have done any harm to ask exactly in what circumstances would/will these ‘parking fines’ be likely to be incurred while doing this ‘trunking’ job.Then post the answer here.
Truckulent:
I’m just applying for yet another class 1 trunking job after the debacle last week detailed elsewhere…
The agency in question are asking me to agree and sign that I will be responsible for any vehicle damage (caused by my negligence) up to the sum of £250.
Further, I must agree that they will deduct £10 per week from any remittance I am paid (the “Accumulated Fund”) for the purpose of meeting any liability to the Company in respect of parking fines /penalty charge notices.
This to be paid back weekly once the threshold has been reached (£250) provided that no claim is to be made against you.
Bit [zb] much if you ask me. What’s the insurance for one asks?
Any thoughts, fellow drivers?
My thought is are you deliberately looking for crap agencies? Do you drive around, see one sat in the corner of a yard in a small portacabin with a mobile number on a bit of card and think “that’ll be a good one to sign up to?”
Over quarter of a century experience of working for agencies I’ve never been asked to go Ltd or Umbrella, never been asked to pay for drivers negligence insurance, never had to pay for damages, had any deductions made to pay into a “claim pot”, no deductions for things like fines mentioned - when I’ve had a fine the agency client has said it was me who was driving and I’ve had the fine sent directly to me from the issuing authority. The only deductions I’ve ever had was when there’s been a mistake with pay and they’ve overpaid me.
Is there some specific part of the country where agencies who do this crap exist?
Not at all. These are all agencies that are reasonably well known from job adverts in the usual suspect places (Indeed, Total jobs etc.)
I must say… I’m not impressed with this one…
Come on then Conor - then with the perfect agency for 25 years. Spill the beans on the ones you’d recommend… [emoji106]
Had this sort of thing a few years ago it was being called Drivers negligence, the agency i was working with at the time were adimenrt that this was 100% legit of course it was not and i refused , as has been mentioned its not the driver that has to underwrite a companies insurance. saying that i do belive that "drivers negligence " is a Thing but does not apply to fulltime or agency drivers but is more of an owner operator thing…i stand to be corrected if wrong
Winseer:
… It is a shame we posters cannot review agencies on here…
I’d agree that agencies need to have reviews posted about them, but there are websites other than TN that cater for that.
…Maybe we could have a link to such reviews on third-party sites then?
I wouldn’t buy anything off Amazon without reading the very worst reviews first, and then I like to buy stuff where the worst review is “It took umpteen days to arrive!!” or “Amaazon billed me twice for the same item by mistake!!” which essentially means there was nothing wrong with the actual product…
