Basically I work full time at moment non driving 39hour contract per week. Today I’ve signed up with an agency for possibly a Saturday/Sunday shift just to get experience as can’t seem to find a permanent driving job. So with my 39 hour weekly shift can I do say one driving shift every fortnight of say 8 hours or more?? Cheers.
Newbie1985:
Basically I work full time at moment non driving 39hour contract per week. Today I’ve signed up with an agency for possibly a Saturday/Sunday shift just to get experience as can’t seem to find a permanent driving job. So with my 39 hour weekly shift can I do say one driving shift every fortnight of say 8 hours or more?? Cheers.
yes
Is it only one day of the fortnight I can do maximum? Or could I do the Saturday and Sunday? Also what’s maximum hours I could do alongside my current job over two weeks?
Your weekly rest requirement is 45 hours, but you can reduce this to 24 on alternate weeks as long as you make up the shortfall on top of your full rest weeks. That should mean one day of driving a fortnight.
Your weekly maximum hours are, I think, 56, so if you’ve worked a 39 hour week elsewhere you can comfortably fit in a 15 hour driving shift which is the maximum you’d be allowed to do in a day anyway.
Cheers for that. It’s the rest period that’s confusing me I’m ok with working hours. So basically the rest inbetween each shift has to total 45 hours by end of each week?
No, in any 24 hour period you must rest for 11 hours, although you are permitted to reduce this to 9 hours on three occasions each week (hence, the maximum working day of 15 hours).
Each week you must have a continuous period of 45 hours rest. You are allowed to reduce this to no less than 24 hours every other week, but the shortfall between you actual rest and 45 must be ‘repaid’ by adding it to another weekly rest period.
So, for example, if you reduced your weekly rest to 25 hours you have a shortfall of 20 (from 45). So the following week your rest will need to be 65 (45 + 20).
The rules are more complicated than this, and the terminology is a bit over-simplified. However, for your particular purposes this should see you okay. It does sound like you really need to bone up on your drivers hours regulations though. You can find information at varying levels of detail here:
ORC:
So, for example, if you reduced your weekly rest to 25 hours you have a shortfall of 20 (from 45). So the following week your rest will need to be 65 (45 + 20).
Welp. I’ve not been having a 65 hour rest for months.
Hi,
Can I hijack this post to ask a question on the same theme? Thanks…
Let’s say the OP worked Mon - Fri in the office and finished an 8hr shift on Friday night at 10pm. What’s the earliest he could start a driving job on Saturday morning?
Not sure if the answer is a) 7am, or b) whenever the chuff he likes, or c) other.
Thanks again.
DAF_MAN:
Hi,Can I hijack this post to ask a question on the same theme? Thanks…
Let’s say the OP worked Mon - Fri in the office and finished an 8hr shift on Friday night at 10pm. What’s the earliest he could start a driving job on Saturday morning?
Not sure if the answer is a) 7am, or b) whenever the chuff he likes, or c) other.
Thanks again.
answer = a
could drive from 10pm to 5am then have 9 off
ROG:
DAF_MAN:
Hi,Can I hijack this post to ask a question on the same theme? Thanks…
Let’s say the OP worked Mon - Fri in the office and finished an 8hr shift on Friday night at 10pm. What’s the earliest he could start a driving job on Saturday morning?
Not sure if the answer is a) 7am, or b) whenever the chuff he likes, or c) other.
Thanks again.
answer = a
could drive from 10pm to 5am then have 9 off
So Rog are you saying that they could do 8hrs in the office then 8hrs driving?
Thanks for clearing that up. One last question 
When I first put tacho card in do I need to do manual entry for my non driving job hours or just keep a record of that seperate wrote down??
ROG:
DAF_MAN:
Hi,Can I hijack this post to ask a question on the same theme? Thanks…
Let’s say the OP worked Mon - Fri in the office and finished an 8hr shift on Friday night at 10pm. What’s the earliest he could start a driving job on Saturday morning?
Not sure if the answer is a) 7am, or b) whenever the chuff he likes, or c) other.
Thanks again.
answer = a
could drive from 10pm to 5am then have 9 off
Can i push my luck and hijack this thread also.
I work 45 hours a week in a butchers factory but have signed up for some agency work every other weekend.
Its my understanding that you can only “work” 96 hours in a fortnight so would a shift of 10 hours or so every other weekend as well as my 45 hour week be potentially illegal and could possibly result in an infringement? Or am i missing something?
Its really hard to find full time work as a class 1 driver with no experience and with a mortgage to pay im having to stick with my reliable job for now and get experience when i can.
spacemanZ10:
ROG:
DAF_MAN:
Hi,Can I hijack this post to ask a question on the same theme? Thanks…
Let’s say the OP worked Mon - Fri in the office and finished an 8hr shift on Friday night at 10pm. What’s the earliest he could start a driving job on Saturday morning?
Not sure if the answer is a) 7am, or b) whenever the chuff he likes, or c) other.
Thanks again.
answer = a
could drive from 10pm to 5am then have 9 off
So Rog are you saying that they could do 8hrs in the office then 8hrs driving?
While this is correct I think it needs to be clarified.
If you do an 8 hour shift in an office and finish at 22:00 you could then continue with a driving job until 05:00 as long as you’d had at-least 9 hours rest before starting the office job.
The office job combined with the driving job would then amount to a 15 hour shift (8 hours in the office and 7 hours driving job).
This does not mean that you can do a shift in an office/warehouse or whatever then immediately do a driving shift, in the real world that’s not likely to happen unless you’re driving for the same company that you do the other job for.
Generally you would need to have at-least 9 hours reduced daily rest period before starting the HGV driving job.
Newbie1985:
Thanks for clearing that up. One last question
In weeks that you drive in-scope of EU regulations, legally you’re required to keep records of your none driving work on printouts/charts or by manually entering the times into a digital tachograph.
Entering the times manually into a tachograph would be time consuming and there’s a high likelihood of making mistakes so the best option is to write the times on printouts/charts, for none driving days you only need to manually record the start and finish times and date, the drivers name and then sign it.
GhostRider17:
Can i push my luck and hijack this thread also.I work 45 hours a week in a butchers factory but have signed up for some agency work every other weekend.
Its my understanding that you can only “work” 96 hours in a fortnight so would a shift of 10 hours or so every other weekend as well as my 45 hour week be potentially illegal and could possibly result in an infringement? Or am i missing something?
Its really hard to find full time work as a class 1 driver with no experience and with a mortgage to pay im having to stick with my reliable job for now and get experience when i can.
I’ve no idea where you’ve got the 96 hours a fortnight from but it’s not correct, there are plenty of drivers doing 60+ hours a week.
Legally, the working time regulations allow you to do a maximum of 60 hours working time in a week, working time does not include breaks, rest or POA so you can easily rack up more than 60 hours shift time without going over the working time limit.
On top of the maximum working week there is of course the 48 hour average week to consider, but to be honest this is only likely to be a problem if you tell your company about the HGV driving work, you are supposed to tell your company about any work you do for another company so they can monitor your working time hours but…
tachograph:
Newbie1985:
Thanks for clearing that up. One last questionIn weeks that you drive in-scope of EU regulations, legally you’re required to keep records of your none driving work on printouts/charts or by manually entering the times into a digital tachograph.
Entering the times manually into a tachograph would be time consuming and there’s a high likelihood of making mistakes so the best option is to write the times on printouts/charts, for none driving days you only need to manually record the start and finish times and date, the drivers name and then sign it.
Thanks for reply.So my first shift I can just drive as normal and then print out at end of shift and write my non driving hours for the week on the back and date/sign it.
Newbie1985:
Thanks for reply.So my first shift I can just drive as normal and then print out at end of shift and write my non driving hours for the week on the back and date/sign it.
No that’s not what you should do.
Before driving on a public road you should tear off a price of print paper or use charts and write the start and finish times of any none driving work you’ve done in the same week that you’re driving a HGV.
The purpose of the manual records of the none driving work is so if you get stopped at a road-side checkpoint an enforcement officer can see that you’ve had the required daily/weekly rest periods, obviously this would not be possible if you haven’t yet done the manual records.
The printouts/charts that you manually record the other work on should be carried with you when driving HGVs for a further 28 days, they can be filed in the waste bin.
tachograph:
GhostRider17:
Can i push my luck and hijack this thread also.I work 45 hours a week in a butchers factory but have signed up for some agency work every other weekend.
Its my understanding that you can only “work” 96 hours in a fortnight so would a shift of 10 hours or so every other weekend as well as my 45 hour week be potentially illegal and could possibly result in an infringement? Or am i missing something?
Its really hard to find full time work as a class 1 driver with no experience and with a mortgage to pay im having to stick with my reliable job for now and get experience when i can.
I’ve no idea where you’ve got the 96 hours a fortnight from but it’s not correct, there are plenty of drivers doing 60+ hours a week.
Legally, the working time regulations allow you to do a maximum of 60 hours working time in a week, working time does not include breaks, rest or POA so you can easily rack up more than 60 hours shift time without going over the working time limit.
On top of the maximum working week there is of course the 48 hour average week to consider, but to be honest this is only likely to be a problem if you tell your company about the HGV driving work, you are supposed to tell your company about any work you do for another company so they can monitor your working time hours but…
Thanks for clearing that up. Its the 48 hour average week that i got 96 hours in a fortnight from so im obviously wrong.
When i do HGV driving at weekends am i to do a printout from the tacho and write my other working hours on the back then just to cover myself. Driving really is the easiest part of the job it seems 
GhostRider17:
When i do HGV driving at weekends am i to do a printout from the tacho and write my other working hours on the back then just to cover myself. Driving really is the easiest part of the job it seems
Don’t do a printout just tear off a piece of blank print paper and write the records for the none driving work on that.
If you want to go to work prepared, and I would suggest this is the best option, you can by a cheap roll of print paper off eBay and write the manual records before going to work 
edit: Sorry I should have mentioned the cheap tachograph print paper off eBay option in my reply to Newbie1985
edit 2: Cheap printing paper on eBay
Thanks for clearing those few points up you’ve been very informative!