tachograph:
GhostRider17:
When i do HGV driving at weekends am i to do a printout from the tacho and write my other working hours on the back then just to cover myself. Driving really is the easiest part of the job it seems 
Don’t do a printout just tear off a piece of blank print paper and write the records for the none driving work on that.
If you want to go to work prepared, and I would suggest this is the best option, you can by a cheap roll of print paper off eBay and write the manual records before going to work 
edit: Sorry I should have mentioned the cheap tachograph print paper off eBay option in my reply to Newbie1985
edit 2: Cheap printing paper on eBay
Cheers for that,just ordered that printer roll,always best to be prepared!
ORC:
No, in any 24 hour period you must rest for 11 hours, although you are permitted to reduce this to 9 hours on three occasions each week (hence, the maximum working day of 15 hours).
Each week you must have a continuous period of 45 hours rest. You are allowed to reduce this to no less than 24 hours every other week, but the shortfall between you actual rest and 45 must be ‘repaid’ by adding it to another weekly rest period.
So, for example, if you reduced your weekly rest to 25 hours you have a shortfall of 20 (from 45). So the following week your rest will need to be 65 (45 + 20).
The rules are more complicated than this, and the terminology is a bit over-simplified. However, for your particular purposes this should see you okay. It does sound like you really need to bone up on your drivers hours regulations though. You can find information at varying levels of detail here:
gov.uk/drivers-hours/overview
Hey ORC -
Can you simplify something for me please. I have just been on the drive hrs & taco, cpc course and asked numeours questions - but something is not sinking ‘in’ - I work full time for example (my NON Driving work)
Mon - 7am-12pm
Tue D/o
Wed - 7am -4pm
Thur - 7am -4pm
Fri - 7am-4pm
Sat - 7am -3pm
Sun - Day off
In my example, Can I work every Sunday 9 hours for an ‘agency’ or similar doing a Lgv class 1 drving job?
As i work it out my time from Monday 12pm till Wednesday 7am = 43hours which is not the weekly ‘rest’ period, yes of course I can carry over - but in week 3 i would have to pay this back…
Or could I do 2 consecutive Sunday work then have the ‘3rd’ Sunday off thus I’ve paid it back?
One very last question and thanks so much, Ive learnt that I will keep a weekly record of my ‘full time’ jobs hours - so basically my weekly sheet (28 days kept record) - would match above, would I need to add on my log the time I drive to my place of work? - Thanks again.
sandybeech:
Can you simplify something for me please. I have just been on the drive hrs & taco, cpc course and asked numeours questions - but something is not sinking ‘in’ - I work full time for example (my NON Driving work)
Mon - 7am-12pm
Tue D/o
Wed - 7am -4pm
Thur - 7am -4pm
Fri - 7am-4pm
Sat - 7am -3pm
Sun - Day off
In my example, Can I work every Sunday 9 hours for an ‘agency’ or similar doing a Lgv class 1 drving job?
No because you need a regular 45 hour weekly rest period at-least every second week.
sandybeech:
As i work it out my time from Monday 12pm till Wednesday 7am = 43hours which is not the weekly ‘rest’ period, yes of course I can carry over - but in week 3 i would have to pay this back…
I’m not sure what you mean by “yes of course I can carry over” but compensation has to be paid back by the end of the third week following the week in which the educed weekly rest period was taken.
sandybeech:
Or could I do 2 consecutive Sunday work then have the ‘3rd’ Sunday off thus I’ve paid it back?
Nope, you still need a regular 45 hour weekly rest period every second week.
sandybeech:
One very last question and thanks so much, Ive learnt that I will keep a weekly record of my ‘full time’ jobs hours - so basically my weekly sheet (28 days kept record) - would match above, would I need to add on my log the time I drive to my place of work? - Thanks again.
There are exceptions but generally travelling to and from work is done in your own time so no record is required.
sandybeech:
Thanks for this - “carry over” - I was thinking, I could pay it back in the 3rd week, if i didnt work the Sunday (week 3) - but I still wouldn’t sustain the 45 hours rest as the ‘clock’ re sets at midnight on the Sunday. (in drivung terms).
You’re over complicating things, forget about driving times or driving terms as you put it, none of that has anything to do with weekly rest periods.
A regular weekly rest period is a weekly rest period of at-least 45 consecutive hours.
A reduced weekly rest period is a weekly rest period of less than 45 hours but not less than 24 consecutive hours rest.
A weekly rest period that crosses 2 weeks (crosses Sunday midnight) can be counted for either week but not both.
At-least every second week you must have a regular 45 hour weekly rest period, that 45 hour rest period cannot be split it has to be 45 continuous hours rest.
Every second week you can have a reduced weekly rest period of no less than 24 consecutive hours.
So you could have:
Week 1: Regular weekly rest period.
Week 2: Reduced weekly rest period.
Week 3: Regular weekly rest period.
Week 4: Reduced weekly rest period.
You cannot have reduced weekly rest periods in weeks 2 and 3, or weeks 3 and 4, you must have a regular weekly rest period every second week.
(there are circumstances where that can be done but lets keep it basic for now )
sandybeech:
tachograph:
sandybeech:
Or could I do 2 consecutive Sunday work then have the ‘3rd’ Sunday off thus I’ve paid it back?
Nope, you still need a regular 45 hour weekly rest period every second week.
Thanks again, so if I finished at 10am on the Monday (example purposes only) this would be the required 45 hrs every week? - (Massive thanks)
Spot on 
If you did that every second week and had a reduced weekly rest period of 43 hours on alternative weeks you would have 2 hours compensation to pay back, however compensation can be added to any rest period of at-least 9 hours and as in the example there are rest periods of 15 hours the 2 hours compensation would automatically be paid back with one of those daily rest periods.
But even though the compensation has been paid back you can still only have reduced weekly rest periods every second week.
Instead of keeping a note of office hours on a piece of torn off printer roll, would it be just as good to keep a record in a small, dedicated diary?
Thanks for all the help and guidance by the way guys - it’s very good of you.
DAF_MAN:
Instead of keeping a note of office hours on a piece of torn off printer roll, would it be just as good to keep a record in a small, dedicated diary?
Legally the records for none driving days have to be on printouts or charts or manually entered into a digital tachograph, however several people have said they keep the records in a notebook/diary and it’s been accepted by the DVSA.
I have no personal experience of this so can only tell you what the DVSA say in their guide notes, and that is that the records should be on printouts/charts or manually entered into the tachograph.
This is why I use this forum, sometimes it seems like your asking stupid questions as your a new driver but fair play to Tachograph for coming back answering/correcting us. As you can see a few people have popped up with similar questions so hopefully a few people can see it a bit clearer. Cheers Tachgraph!
May I jump in and add another possibly silly question?
when can I declare the start of my weekly rest? for example if I worked Mon-fri (non driving) and on Friday I finished at say 2pm can my weekly rest start from Friday 2pm or does it have to start the following day? As it stands im assuming I can start my weekly rest from 2pm Friday. With this is mind I would have had 45 hours rest by Sunday at 11am. So theoretically I could do a shift in the afternoon on Sunday every week before starting a new week on Monday.
biker10:
when can I declare the start of my weekly rest? for example if I worked Mon-fri (non driving) and on Friday I finished at say 2pm can my weekly rest start from Friday 2pm or does it have to start the following day? As it stands im assuming I can start my weekly rest from 2pm Friday. With this is mind I would have had 45 hours rest by Sunday at 11am. So theoretically I could do a shift in the afternoon on Sunday every week before starting a new week on Monday.
If you finish for the weekend at 14:00 on Friday that’s when your weekly rest period starts, so as you say, you could have a 45 hour regular weekly rest period and start a work again at 11:00 Sunday, you would then need to start a new weekly rest period no later than 11:00 the following Saturday (six 24 hour periods or 144 hours from the end of the previous weekly rest period).
The first 9/11 hours rest after the last days work is both the daily rest period and the start of the weekly rest period.
I finish my normal job at 12pm on a Friday and agency wants me for a shift 5.30am Sunday so that’s 41.5 hours rest. So basically the next week I have to make up the loss of 3.5 hours so it will be 48.5 hours which of course will easily be done as I can only work one driving shift every other weekend.Another query is as il be driving Sunday and then working Monday to Friday other job, that’s 6 consecutive days so would that be as long as I’d finish work by .5.30am Saturday morning? If I’m right then I think I’ve grasped it! Haha
tachograph:
biker10:
when can I declare the start of my weekly rest? for example if I worked Mon-fri (non driving) and on Friday I finished at say 2pm can my weekly rest start from Friday 2pm or does it have to start the following day? As it stands im assuming I can start my weekly rest from 2pm Friday. With this is mind I would have had 45 hours rest by Sunday at 11am. So theoretically I could do a shift in the afternoon on Sunday every week before starting a new week on Monday.
If you finish for the weekend at 14:00 on Friday that’s when your weekly rest period starts, so as you say, you could have a 45 hour regular weekly rest period and start a work again at 11:00 Sunday, you would then need to start a new weekly rest period no later than 11:00 the following Saturday (six 24 hour periods or 144 hours from the end of the previous weekly rest period).
The first 9/11 hours rest after the last days work is both the daily rest period and the start of the weekly rest period.
ok thanks thats good to know. So regarding the last sentence the daily rest is included in the weekly rest in this scenario and isnt to be added on top?
biker10:
So regarding the last sentence the daily rest is included in the weekly rest in this scenario and isnt to be added on top?
That’s correct.
Even on the last day of your working week you have to have a daily rest period within the period of 24 hours from the start of the shift, but that daily rest period also counts towards the weekly rest period, in other words when you finish your last shift you start both a daily and a weekly rest period at the same time.
tachograph:
biker10:
So regarding the last sentence the daily rest is included in the weekly rest in this scenario and isnt to be added on top?
That’s correct.
Even on the last day of your working week you have to have a daily rest period within the period of 24 hours from the start of the shift, but that daily rest period also counts towards the weekly rest period, in other words when you finish your last shift you start both a daily and a weekly rest period at the same time.
thanks a lot, that helps! slowly getting there haha 
Newbie1985:
I finish my normal job at 12pm on a Friday and agency wants me for a shift 5.30am Sunday so that’s 41.5 hours rest. So basically the next week I have to make up the loss of 3.5 hours so it will be 48.5 hours which of course will easily be done as I can only work one driving shift every other weekend.Another query is as il be driving Sunday and then working Monday to Friday other job, that’s 6 consecutive days so would that be as long as I’d finish work by .5.30am Saturday morning? If I’m right then I think I’ve grasped it! Haha
Can anyone clarify this for me please?
Newbie1985:
I finish my normal job at 12pm on a Friday and agency wants me for a shift 5.30am Sunday so that’s 41.5 hours rest. So basically the next week I have to make up the loss of 3.5 hours so it will be 48.5 hours which of course will easily be done as I can only work one driving shift every other weekend.
As you’re only working 1 shift every second week you can forget about the compensation, you don’t need a weekly rest period in weeks that you do not drive in-scope of EU regulations so the compensation will easily be taken care of with whatever rest you have in that week.
Newbie1985:
Another query is as il be driving Sunday and then working Monday to Friday other job, that’s 6 consecutive days so would that be as long as I’d finish work by .5.30am Saturday morning? If I’m right then I think I’ve grasped it! Haha
That’s almost correct, in fact as you won’t be driving in-scope of EU regulations in the second week you won’t need a weekly rest period.
It’s the same the other way round, you could work 7 days Monday to Sunday in an office/warehouse or even on domestic regulations then start a job driving in-scope of EU regulations on Monday of week 2, the six 24 hour periods (144 hours) that you can work between weekly rest periods would start when you start work on Monday of week 2.
It may sound a bit strange as you’re new to it but that’s the way it works, it’s to your advantage anyway so…
So today in work I’ve been asked to work overtime Friday and Saturday. So more than likely it will be 6 hours overtime, 2 added on Friday and 4 for Saturday morning finishing at 10am. So that will take me up to 46 hours for the week. Where does that leave me with weekly rest if starting at 5.30 Sunday??
Newbie1985:
So today in work I’ve been asked to work overtime Friday and Saturday. So more than likely it will be 6 hours overtime, 2 added on Friday and 4 for Saturday morning finishing at 10am. So that will take me up to 46 hours for the week. Where does that leave me with weekly rest if starting at 5.30 Sunday??
Did you work yesterday (bank holiday Monday)?
No didn’t work yesterday.I have been trying so much to drill the working hours etc into my head ready for the weekend I didn’t even think of that! Of course I get paid for it but didn’t actually work it!
Newbie1985:
So today in work I’ve been asked to work overtime Friday and Saturday. So more than likely it will be 6 hours overtime, 2 added on Friday and 4 for Saturday morning finishing at 10am. So that will take me up to 46 hours for the week. Where does that leave me with weekly rest if starting at 5.30 Sunday??
If you finish work at 10:00 on Saturday you will not be able to have a reduced weekly rest period before starting the driving shift at 05:30 Sunday.
In this case, As you had a rest period of over 24 hours before starting work on Tuesday (today) we can call that the start of your working week, so you must be finished the driving job no later than 144 hours from when you started work on Tuesday, obviously you will be because 144 hours from Say 08:00 Tuesday is 08:00 next Monday and you’re working Sunday morning.
If you’re working next Monday I can’t see this being a problem but I’ll say it anyway, you must be finished the driving job before midnight Sunday, so none of the driving shift falls in next week.
(That won’t be a problem if you start at 05:30 Sunday but be aware of it if your start time changes )
Assuming you’ll be working in your usual job next Monday and Tuesday, you will not under any circumstances legally be able to drive in-scope of EU regulations next week.