Hi Anorak and LB 76. I originally posted the photo on this thread. The chap second from the left was Pete Mountford who unfortunatly died last year.He originally did his apprenticeship with AEC, becoming a salesman.Upon the union of Leyland and AEC he moved to Preston,I believe this photo was taken at Leyland. Pete knew of my interest in lorries and my haulage background and left me a pile of ties,salesmans manuals,price lists for AEC`s,marathon cufflinks,AEC zippo lighter,and a few photos.I did not look through the memorabilia when Pete was still alive and ask him questions.Thanks to you guys for the input.Regards Rich.
Well done Anorak, I thought it wasn’t a Henschel or Hanomag, I have a bit more on the Yugoslavian FAP or Fabrika Automobila Priboj na Lumu to give it the full name. They built medium size Saurer vehicles under license from 1951, normal control then latterly forward control. They used Perkins and Leyland engines, so possibly the link to BL there, after 1972 the Saurer agreement was replaced by one with Daimler-Benz AG and the vehicles then used the familiar Mercedes cabs. The cab in both the pics isn’t from the MB stable so could well have been before 1972 presumably, however I’m not sure it resembles a Saurer cab either. The wipers are intriguing, I haven’t come across another make that has them through the screen! Cheers Franky.
Dont think that had a V8 in it! Looks like an eastern bloc build on an old Henschel cab
Have also just read FAP built V8 engines under license from Leyland, so the above may be more truer than first thought, just goes to show what wheelings and dealings go on we know nowt about! Franky.
Frankydobo:
…Have also just read FAP built V8 engines under license from Leyland, so the above may be more truer than first thought, just goes to show what wheelings and dealings go on we know nowt about! Franky.
Yes, and as Fabrika Automobila Priboj were also marginally involved with Scania-Vabis in 1966/67 as some sort of Scandinavia Serbia trade deal, it could explain how Pat Kennett’s rumour started about Scania developing their 1969 launched 14L V8 Diesel assisted by the failings of the AEC design.
At 350 HP (net) the 14 litre Scania V8 turbocharged engine was the most powerful production truck engine produced in Europe in 1969, but let us not forget that AEC engineers had beaten this output with a prototype 13.1 litre twin turbocharged 801 engine tested in early 1967.
If only it could have been made reliable…!
did a bit of casual work with russel of bathgate in the late 60s remember them having a v8 mandator on low loader work and remember the drivers telling me it was the first v8 and was tested on their london trunk remember the exhaust got that hot you could see it coming in the dark aslo said it had 000001 stamped on the block true or false first mandator i saw with a walk through cab
ERF:
Frankydobo:
…Have also just read FAP built V8 engines under license from Leyland, so the above may be more truer than first thought, just goes to show what wheelings and dealings go on we know nowt about! Franky.Yes, and as Fabrika Automobila Priboj were also marginally involved with Scania-Vabis in 1966/67 as some sort of Scandinavia Serbia trade deal, it could explain how Pat Kennett’s rumour started about Scania developing their 1969 launched 14L V8 Diesel assisted by the failings of the AEC design.
At 350 HP (net) the 14 litre Scania V8 turbocharged engine was the most powerful production truck engine produced in Europe in 1969, but let us not forget that AEC engineers had beaten this output with a prototype 13.1 litre twin turbocharged 801 engine tested in early 1967.
If only it could have been made reliable…!
Maybe if they had stayed independent every other bus on the road would be AEC and not Swedish and maybe we would be talking AEC as the only British truck maker left
Anyone know who was in charge at AEC before the doomed “merger”?
Still for sale, but the price is dropping…
cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/vin … d=2066780&
The pics seem to be getting smaller.
LB76:
This one was found in Rush green 1986
Wow - and it was only 16 years old then!.
There are still a few V8’s in there, mostly ex Air Products - this is another without a cab, but it might not be the same one as in your photo. Yours has had a steel replacement header tank (unless it’s an autolube tank I can see).
I just read on a website a spreadsheet on all the engines AEC produced,on there was a couple i have never heard about.The AEC V8 810 rated at 352 bhp and still being developed in 1973 but never put into production,i thought the V8 was scrapped around 1971.The other was the AV/AH515,this was a turbo version of the AV/AH505 and also still being developed in 1973 .Does anyone have any info on either of these engines■■?
ramone:
I just read on a website a spreadsheet on all the engines AEC produced,on there was a couple i have never heard about.The AEC V8 810 rated at 352 bhp and still being developed in 1973 but never put into production,i thought the V8 was scrapped around 1971.The other was the AV/AH515,this was a turbo version of the AV/AH505 and also still being developed in 1973 .Does anyone have any info on either of these engines■■?
I’ll stand to be corrected but I believe the turbocharged development of the AV505 was canned by the Lancastrians as their would have been an overlap with their own fixed-head 500. 
To coin a phrase: ‘Look what you could have won’!
However, some of the work done on the turbocharged engine did see the light of day in the form of the AV506, which was a naturally aspirated engine of slightly higher displacment than the AV505. The AV506 was fitted in some of the very last Mercurys & Marshals.
Please could you post a link to the website that you mentioned?
regards, Andrew.
Pebbles 74:
ramone:
I just read on a website a spreadsheet on all the engines AEC produced,on there was a couple i have never heard about.The AEC V8 810 rated at 352 bhp and still being developed in 1973 but never put into production,i thought the V8 was scrapped around 1971.The other was the AV/AH515,this was a turbo version of the AV/AH505 and also still being developed in 1973 .Does anyone have any info on either of these engines■■?I’ll stand to be corrected but I believe the turbocharged development of the AV505 was canned by the Lancastrians as their would have been an overlap with their own fixed-head 500.
However, some of the work done on the turbocharged engine did see the light of day in the form of the AV506, which was a naturally aspirated engine of slightly higher displacment than the AV505. The AV506 was fitted in some of the very last Mercurys & Marshals.
Please could you post a link to the website that you mentioned?
regards, Andrew.
middx.net/aec/units/engines1.htm
Here`s the link listing post war engines
ramone:
Pebbles 74:
ramone:
I just read on a website a spreadsheet on all the engines AEC produced,on there was a couple i have never heard about.The AEC V8 810 rated at 352 bhp and still being developed in 1973 but never put into production,i thought the V8 was scrapped around 1971.The other was the AV/AH515,this was a turbo version of the AV/AH505 and also still being developed in 1973 .Does anyone have any info on either of these engines■■?I’ll stand to be corrected but I believe the turbocharged development of the AV505 was canned by the Lancastrians as their would have been an overlap with their own fixed-head 500.
However, some of the work done on the turbocharged engine did see the light of day in the form of the AV506, which was a naturally aspirated engine of slightly higher displacment than the AV505. The AV506 was fitted in some of the very last Mercurys & Marshals.
Please could you post a link to the website that you mentioned?
regards, Andrew.
middx.net/aec/units/engines1.htm
Here`s the link listing post war engines
Thanks for the link ramone, Andrew
LB76:
This one was found in Rush green 1986.0[attachment=0]WYM 134 H.jpg
WYM132H and WYM133H are Mandator V8’s listed as new to ‘Hays’. They had one further V8 at the same time, but the reg number is not recorded, so it would be safe to assume that this is the ‘missing’ one WYM134H.
When did the trend switch to low reving engines and how was this acheived?
ramone:
I just read on a website a spreadsheet on all the engines AEC produced,on there was a couple i have never heard about.The AEC V8 810 rated at 352 bhp and still being developed in 1973 but never put into production,i thought the V8 was scrapped around 1971.The other was the AV/AH515,this was a turbo version of the AV/AH505 and also still being developed in 1973 .Does anyone have any info on either of these engines■■?
Yes, development on the turbo-charged AEC V8 stopped in 1971. The Leyland heirarchy pulled the plug just as AEC engineers claimed to have solved all the earlier problems. You are also correct in that there was a turbo-charged AVT505 on the drawing board and in prototype format. Leyland at the time was pinning its hopes on the 500 fixed head range, and we all know what the outcome of that was.
Don’t forget that both AEC and Leyland had turbo-charging experience from the 1950s. AEC had turbo options for its AV(T)470 in 1955 and AV(T)690 in 1959 for lorry applications in South America, plus its AVT1100 Dumptruk with turbo engine and AHT1100 railcar engine. Leyland also produced turbo-charged railcar engines and possibly its tank engines, but I’ll stand correction on those.
Welcome to the forum Gingerfold. Would you, by any chance, be the proprietor of the eponymous publisher of the two books about the AEC V8- the ones which, inspired by this very thread, I tried to buy (from various sources) but failed, due to their being out of print? If anyone can help me get these books, I would be grateful to the tune of at least one pint of beer in commission, delivered at Gaydon at the weekend! In any case, it is great to have another contributor of well-informed posts on here.
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anorak:
Welcome to the forum Gingerfold. Would you, by any chance, be the proprietor of the eponymous publisher of the two books about the AEC V8- the ones which, inspired by this very thread, I tried to buy (from various sources) but failed, due to their being out of print? If anyone can help me get these books, I would be grateful to the tune of at least one pint of beer in commission, delivered at Gaydon at the weekend! In any case, it is great to have another contributor of well-informed posts on here.
Yes, I did publish the AEC V8 book, although the reproduced version which had a different front cover design was in fact the same text as the original. If you pm me I should be able to find a copy for you.