ajt:
Bit of a difference between outright speeding and a few mph over the limit which half the cameras are set at!
4 mph or so over is never going to be the difference between life and death is it? Increase to a few mph to 10, 20, 30 mph over then yes, theres high risks of serious injury if in collision.
Lets face it, cameras dont prevent the real causes of accidents, bad driving
Our Advanced driving examiners (ex police traffic) have a saying -
“There is SPEEDING and there is speeding’”
They mean almost the same as what you said -
To err slighly over the limit, notice it quickly and then do something about it is technically speeding but not SPEEDING.
To go over the limit and not notice it quickly or notice it and do nothing about it is SPEEDING.
To deliberately go over the limit is SPEEDING & ‘NOT VERY CLEVER’
would that stand up in court
DRIVER -“Here’s my defence your honour from TNUK - i was speeding but not really speeding if you catch my drift”
JUDGE "Very well,i believe you thousands wouldn’t, your free to go drive just make sure you dont really speed in future "
In a word, Yes.
The Association of Cheif Police Officers have produced guidelines to all officers that a 10% plus 2mph leeway is allowed.
This information is available on their website. acpo.police.uk/
Although it does say in the DSA handbook to ‘make progress’ in a ‘progressive driving style’. They know best! You’ll not make progress with your foot on the brake!
Willy Gofar:
In his follow up to the original post Simon wrote, " I find it difficult keeping to 30mph, I’m not a boy racer - it’s usually 36 - 38 mph but twice in 10 months isn’t not good. So that’s why I need a bit of help. "
Sounds to me as if anyone talking about anything other than this has gone off topic somewhat.
Good god, it’s ROG Mk2!
Listen up everyone, Willy has spoken. We’re all off topic.
Listen up everyone, Willy has spoken. We’re all off topic.
There is only one ROG - no-one else could possibly be like him
Willy Gofar:
In his follow up to the original post Simon wrote, " I find it difficult keeping to 30mph, I’m not a boy racer - it’s usually 36 - 38 mph but twice in 10 months isn’t not good. So that’s why I need a bit of help. "
Sounds to me as if anyone talking about anything other than this has gone off topic somewhat.
Fair point.
How about a nice gentle routine whilst driving & listening to a favourite radio station…
Right mirror… forward vision, eyes on dipped, eyes on main beam…glance at speedo… left mirror… forward vision, eyes on dipped, eyes on main beam…glance at speedo…Right mirror…
ajt:
A few mph means nothing in the real world when you also add into the pot:
Concentration levels / reaction times, the differences between vehicle loads, vehicles brakes as in stopping distances, wear rates on braking component parts,ie their efficientsy, tyre tred depths etc etc which all play a huge part in the overall outcome to a accident and preventing a accident thus why a few mph over means bugger all in the final outcome of a event.
Reverse thinking -
From what you descibe as having an effect then surely to reduced that effect it would be up to the driver to control what they could - ie the speed
But the point im trying to make is, it still dosent mean driver ‘A’ sticking relegiously to the speed limit is going to be any safer than driver ‘B’ a few mph over the limit, as accidents dont happen due to speed alone
I think Jeremy Clarkson made a similar comment about fixed speed cameras. He said something like you could drive past a speed camera four times over the drink drive limit in a stolen car carrying a machine gun…
As long as you didn’t break the speed limit you would be fine… Speed is not the only factor in accidents.
Breaker One-Nine:
Jeremy Clarkson made a similar comment about fixed speed cameras. He said something like you could drive past a speed camera four times over the drink drive limit in a stolen car carrying a machine gun
I remember that sketch. He had Bin Laden driving past a Gatso (just under 30mph) with a rocket launcher on the passenger seat!!
The odds are that driver A is alert and driver B is not - if driver B is not aware of their speed then what else are they not aware of? - that makes driver B a greater risk and now that risk is increased by doing more speed than driver A.
ajt:
But the point im trying to make is, it still dosent mean driver ‘A’ sticking relegiously to the speed limit is going to be any safer than driver ‘B’ a few mph over the limit, as accidents dont happen due to speed alone
Very true.
The odds are that driver A is alert and driver B is not - if driver B is not aware of there speed then what else are they not aware of? - that makes driver B a greater risk and now that risk is increased by doing more speed than driver A.
Mr A - Look at speedo, look at surrounding, look at speedo, look at surrounding…etc etc tec
MR B, look at speedo, look at surrounding, look at surroundings, check speedo, look at surrounding, look at surroundings etc etc.
to me MR B is less of a risk because he his looking more at the road ahead than looking at the speed or may be i’ve miss read this entire topic have gone majorly off course if thats the case i’m sorry and ignore this post.
alamcculloch:
Here is an original idea, look at the floor of your cab.If there are 3 pedals use the middle one.
Oh so that’s where i have been going wrong all these years, middle peddle, middle peddle, must remember that when i in my truck tomorrow thanks for the heads up
Dazza:
Willy Gofar:
In his follow up to the original post Simon wrote, " I find it difficult keeping to 30mph, I’m not a boy racer - it’s usually 36 - 38 mph but twice in 10 months isn’t not good. So that’s why I need a bit of help. "
Sounds to me as if anyone talking about anything other than this has gone off topic somewhat.
Good god, it’s ROG Mk2!
Listen up everyone, Willy has spoken. We’re all off topic.
Oh no, not another ROG this will be like alien vs predator scenario
ROG:
Why does the same excuse for not GLANCING at the speedo always arise
If I look at my speedo I will miss something else
That has got to be one of the dafest excuses ever…
If going down that way of thinking then…
If I look at my MIRROR I will miss something else etc, etc, etc…
Why is it daft because it’s true you will miss something, but i guess the time it takes to glance at mirrors/speedo is neglidgable so i see your point of view. But the principle still stands
So how do you train a learner trucker then in the happy medium of looking at the surrounding and looking at speedo/mirrors etc
Breaker One-Nine:
‘…Speed is not the only factor in accidents…’
Since an accident is a combination of at least two unappreciated oversights - and we know that speed can be a contributory factor to a crash/impact/skid/incident, etc - it is reasonable to suggest that speeding will never contribute to an accident but rather one of the latter terms.
The overused & abused word ‘accident’ has a uniquely psychological & thus special context whereby an individual is seemingly able to disown his involvement in an event:
a). How many folk disown their contribution to a crash/impact/incident/skid, etc by hiding it being the word ‘accident’?
b). How many toddlers claim ’ it was an accident’ - albeit due to their poor supervision or wordly knowledge?
c). How many radio traffic announcers help us to feel victims of circumstance when a road is snarled up ‘due to an accident’ (retch) rather than a smash-up caused by the speeding/dim-witted/distracted, etc activity of Muppets that many drivers are?!
Therefore, speeding plus a n other contributory cause aint ever an accident.
pecjam23:
So how do you train a learner trucker then in the happy medium of looking at the surrounding and looking at speedo/mirrors etc
How about a nice gentle routine whilst driving …
Right mirror… forward vision, eyes on dipped, eyes on main beam…glance at speedo… left mirror… forward vision, eyes on dipped, eyes on main beam…glance at speedo…Right mirror…
The eyes on main beam is the key - stretching the forward vision as far as possible to determine what is & what is likely to be happening well ahead
At appropriate times during training, once a trainee has got this system sussed, a conversation can also be done at the same time
pecjam23:
At appropriate times during training, once a trainee has got this system sussed, a conversation can also be done at the same time
Followed by using the phone
drinking coffee
eating
shaving
getting changed
watching Convoy on the laptop…
…at the same time as reading a copy of ‘mind driving’ to help the learner understand what is safe and what is legal as well as glancing at the speedo for a brief second quick look around then back to reading the book and steering with their knees
Just to lighten things up a bit, I have a terrible speeding habit and if it wasn’t for the fact I’ve spent most of my time driving foreign trucks my licence would be long gone.
As this pic shows I seem to be able to be caught speeding in anything! This escapade cost me nearly 400 quid!
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