johnny:
once again we find fred kanka’s posts to be difficult to understand and wrong
although the uk rules for the transport of adr has changed slightly to come into line with those of other eu countries this change has been in the classification of certain products that the uk did not class as adr - one of these was diesel fuel in drums/other containers which is now classed as hazardous, some other products have also been classed as haz too.
you do not require an adr to carry hazardous goods providing they are in scope with limited quantities which a driver must judge on the size of each recepticle of haz and the total weight of the hazardous.
i.e. 100kg drums of class 3 packing group 3 will be classed as haz but if you only have 1 of them then you can carry it but if you have more than 5 of them then you can’t because the max you can carry is 500kgs of packing group 3.
i have all the relevant info in my truck so i am unsure as to the other amounts but i think packing group 2 is 200kgs max and packing group 1 requires has for any amount but i will have to look at the papers in my truck.
the rules for the carriage of adr substances and inparticular the classifications for non adr and limited quantities is very difficult to understand and us drivers have been greatly let down by government and trade unions over the carriage of haz goods in limited quantities by non haz trained drivers.
the law should have changed to incorporate any goods carried in the loading area for hire or reward as haz if it is 5kg or 500kg or 5000kg etc.
You are wrong
UK didn’t change ADR-Rules
“It overtook the full Rules to operate it National too!”
Seminar in Autum 2003 costed me £150.- to know that full ADR Rules now in action
fred Kanka:
Since Januar 2004 must each Commercial Vehicle be fitted with a 2kg ABC-Fire Extingusher.
Queiry this Fred, all vehicles since 1995 engaged on ADR work have had to have fire extingushers fitted, and as for all new comercial vehicles, well I my boss bought me a truck in august, and that didnt come with a fire extingusher, so how has the dealer got away with not fitting it if its law
You are in the right possition!
I got myselfe a new Daf without Fire extingusher.
Now i know,that since the Fire in Mont Blance,Gothard and Tauerntunnel each Commercial Vehicle,with or without ADR must have a 2kg Fire Extingusher in Cab fitted.
Was in Summer 2004 near nueaton,where a Fitter fitted on each Forklift a 2kg Fire extingushers,as it is the Law uk overtook from the EU.
That is what i know,and i am confused that new Lorry has no extingushers.
Oh yes,must be an ABC Extingusher
stuh:
the amount of post i’ve seen fredkanka put on this site talking rubbish is unreal, you do not need an in-house adr adviser workin behind the desk at a company, i’ve recently renewed my adr the guy who took us for the course works for a number of transport firms in humberside area and is self employed, in his ref to class 1explosives you don’t need 2 people in cab, class 7 radioactives you don’t need special permission to travel it’s all covered under adr. adr covers all vehicle’s and licences it depend what product and amount your carrying if adr apllies, check your facts fred
My Fact is,that i have an ADR Driver Licence for all Class
Class 1 needs two Person in Cab during Transport,and one has to be at Lorry during Stop at any Time
You do not need an ADR Driver Licence if Vehicle is under 3500kg or privat Transport,but,if commercial Transport will you need still a secound Person in Cab.
Each Person in Vehicle must be employed by Transportcompany.
=In that Case is it unsure for me how it works with agencydriver
Class 7 is in each Case an ADR Transport,needs special Permission to carry it,but is most done by Van with Driver who don’t need ADR Driver Licence in that Case.
ADR Rules say that ADR Advicer must be employed in Company.
He/She mustn’t seat at helpdesck,but is most in office in any possition to do ADR Job’s when needed,exept in Companies which do that much with ADR that he runs as ADR,-and Safety Advicer.
Problem is just that Managers has to go to get the Licence,and try to do it with a flexible one which is actually illegal,if company goes over special Size.
eddie snax:
I renewed my ADR about 2 years ago, though have’nt used it since but our tutor reckoned that the UK was going to come into line with Europe on certain aspects of the ADR regs, that the UK did’nt use for domestic transportation, but I cant remember what they were because we were up to Euro spec at our firm. I think it was to do with the safety equipment carried on the vehicle As for DGSA’s as far as i’m aware, if a firm contract an outside specialist to be their DGSA, then that is the same as employing them, and it is ultimatly your responsibilty as driver to ensure that you have the correct paper work, many a time i’ve had to wait at premises while the office faxed the tremcards shipping notesand other documentation to me, because often our company would be acting as the DGSA’s for the customer. As for not being able to have an ADR licence without a C+E licence, well you only need a full UK driving licence, so that the DVLA can issue the driver number to your ADR, so once you’ve got it it’s your’s, not the companies, so drive what you like ,
Yes,you are right so far that Driver are the last to check if you have it loaded and secured the right way,as well,as you have to check if fright is that on Paperwork,if you have all Paper you need,and signed as well.
But,the ADR Advicer can’t check your Licence,your Vehicle and ADR-set if he is not in House,ecxept,he comes each Time in House he is needed.
I had it that i loaded a full Trailer full Serum for all over the world to delivery to Airlines.
Now,as we did not have an ADR Advicer in House,and it had costed £25.- to me to carry it as ADR,gave the Operationsmanager not the Weight of freight to the ADR-Advicer.He just gave the weight of the Virus,which is in the Serums.
Now,the ADR-Advicer didn’t know it better and said that weight were free of ADR,as he didn’t know that i had a 15feet high Trailer full with Euro pallets,three high,full of serums,were each drop were danger,and not just the few gram Virus only.
As there were too many accident must a Company have the ADR Advicer since Years by need in House.
OK,no one says where the ADR-Advicer could be if not used.
jammymutt:
So many drivers with so many different views of one little subject it amazes me…
The one problem is when Driver don’t sort out the ADR-Rules and do as told by one who doesn’t knows anything but has the Power to order anything
the other problem is when Drivers sort out the ADR-Rules and don’t do what anyone tells who doesn’t knows anything,as to lazy and Moneysaving as going to Course.
Who is right
I don’t know it,
but anyone my be in trouble in case of Incident.
Just think that someone may have done wrong in Hemel Hemstedt
the requirement for a fire extinguisher of a minimum 2kg is for vehicles involved in the carriage of dangerous goods only.
the requirement by mont blanc is a private issue as the mont blanc is not a public highway they can set out any restriction they want to if they feel it necessary.
what is the use of fitting vehicles with fire fighting equipment if the driver is not trained in it’s usage?
i attend truckfest with my truck and they require each truck to be equipped with a fire extinguisher - again a private issue entirely.
fred kanka - you are a confused person and your translations are confusing everyone else.
all the information is HERE
if anyone has the time or inclination to search the site.
fred get your facts right if your carrying class 1 you don’t need 2 people in cab i know i’ve carried the stuff, class 7 does’nt need special permission same as before i’ve carried the stuff all for the oil industry, in ref to you carrying virus’s depending on the size of the container its carried in ie 25mg it’s poss that you wouldnt have to put your plates on, was it an englishman who took you on your adr cos what i’ve seen of your posts you have’nt got the the grasp of the queens english
stuh:
fred get your facts right if your carrying class 1 you don’t need 2 people in cab i know i’ve carried the stuff, class 7 does’nt need special permission same as before i’ve carried the stuff all for the oil industry, in ref to you carrying virus’s depending on the size of the container its carried in ie 25mg it’s poss that you wouldnt have to put your plates on, was it an englishman who took you on your adr cos what i’ve seen of your posts you have’nt got the the grasp of the queens english
hear hear
absolutely spot on - if your going to give out information then make sure it’s at least nearly correct and makes sense.
was it an englishman who took you on your adr cos what i’ve seen of your posts you have’nt got the the grasp of the queens english
fred kanka - you are a confused person and your translations are confusing everyone else.
the amount of post i’ve seen fredkanka put on this site talking rubbish is unreal,
The above, deliberately nameless quotes are borderline at best. Whilst discussion and clarification of facts is great, personal attack is not, and this thread is getting bitchier and less civil as time goes on.
It’s a good discussion, and I have no desire to edit or pull it but please…
see just that i may be wrong with the Years
I was in 2004 by a Seminar as from 2005,and not 2004 comes the ADR-Rules in National Transport in action ( )
stuh:
fred get your facts right if your carrying class 1 you don’t need 2 people in cab i know i’ve carried the stuff, class 7 does’nt need special permission same as before i’ve carried the stuff all for the oil industry, in ref to you carrying virus’s depending on the size of the container its carried in ie 25mg it’s poss that you wouldnt have to put your plates on, was it an englishman who took you on your adr cos what i’ve seen of your posts you have’nt got the the grasp of the queens english
hear hear
absolutely spot on - if your going to give out information then make sure it’s at least nearly correct and makes sense.
ADR vehicle tests
Certain Dangerous Goods Vehicles require an extra test and certificate over and above the normal HGV roadworthiness test. This is known as the “ADR” test after the initials of a French phrase meaning “International Agreement Concerning the Carriage of Dangerous Goods by Road”.
Vehicles which require the extra test are:
commercial vehicle or trailer used to carry or to tow a trailer carrying explosives on international journeys
commercial vehicle or trailer first used on or after 1 January 1997 and used to carry or to tow a trailer carrying explosives on British domestic journeys
vehicle or trailer used on international transport operations carrying or towing a trailer carrying dangerous goods in bulk in a fixed tank or fixed battery of pressure vessels of over 1000 litres capacity
vehicle or trailer used on international transport operations carrying or towing a trailer carrying dangerous goods in bulk in a container or demountable tank or battery of pressure vessels of over 3000 litres capacity
Additionally new vehicles (NOT existing vehicles) in category 3 or 4 above used on British domestic transport will soon be required to be ADR tested. The date of introduction of the regulations controlling this is not yet known.
The ADR test ensures that vehicles comply with special requirements contained in chapter 9 of the ADR accord document. The detail of this varies according to the exact nature of the dangerous goods carried. It can be accessed using
unece.org/trans/danger/publi … entsE.html
Booking procedure
Dangerous Goods Vehicle tests are carried out at all Vehicle and Operator Services Agency test stations. See Finding a Goods Vehicle Testing Station.
The ADR test if required is most conveniently carried out at the same time as the Annual Test and all HGV test stations now have some staff trained to carry it out. An extra fee is payable for the ADR test. Additionally a special application form ADR III is required to be completed, including declarations in respect of some invisible aspects of vehicle construction. See Carrying Dangerous Goods or Hazardous Substances (VTG 15). Copies of insurance certificates for any fixed tanks or batteries of pressure vessels will also be requested at the time of application, with the originals needing to be seen at the time of test. Application should be made as early as possible and not less than 10 working days before the test. Please note the downloaded form needs to be completed manually and returned by post to Swansea, not direct to the testing station.
ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO ADR AND RID opsi.gov.uk/si/si2004/20040568.htm#46
Attendant for carriage of class 1 goods by road
46. - (1) Subject to paragraph (3), where a carrier is carrying any class 1 goods by road in a transport unit he shall ensure that the driver of the transport unit is accompanied by an attendant when the transport unit is not parked. opsi.gov.uk/si/si2004/20040568.htm
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once again the requirements have been misinterpreted.
(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply where -
(a) the quantity of the class 1 goods in question does not exceed the maximum total quantity per transport unit calculated in accordance with sub-section 1.1.3.6 of ADR as modified by regulation 3(7);
(b) the only class 1 goods carried are those set out in Schedule 1 to the Control of Explosives Regulations 1991[39];
(c) the carrier has taken adequate alternative measures to ensure the security of the class 1 goods carried on the transport unit and such measures have been agreed in writing with the Executive; or
(d) the transport unit is in a convoy of more than two transport units unless it is the first or the last transport unit in the convoy.
your own posts actually condemn the other posted remarks.
class 1 haz can be carried without a second person.
the testing of vehicles involved in the carriage of hazardous materials only applies to certain vehicle types.
this would be tankers mainly and the tractor units that pull them which most of us knew already anyway.
tractor units pulling petrol tankers are different to other tractor units, they have different spec glass for windows, different fifth wheels, isolated electrics etc.
none of this is new to most of us but it isn’t a requirement for every vehicle registered on the road and it isn’t a requirement for every vehicle carrying hazardous.
note for trucknet moderators and site owners.
this poster has made several posts that are incorrect and misleading that regard a very serious matter, the transportation of hazardous goods by road is a subject that is already confusing to many drivers due to the limited quantities mess. surely trucknet does not condone the posting of such misleading information on it’s website and has a duty to the rest of the users to ensure that the information posted is not misleading or incorrect, there are enough problems out on the road without drivers demanding fire extinguishers for their trucks before they go out of the depot because it says so on trucknet, let alone a driver picking up hazardous goods and demanding that the companies dangerous goods safety advisor comes along and inspects the loaded vehicle and signs all the documents before they set out from the loading point because it says so on trucknet.
TruckNet UK makes it very clear that it takes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information shared on our forums. It is happy for such matters to be discussed amongst the members without[/i] personal attack, but cannot possibly verify (or otherwise) the “facts” which come out of that discussion. Go read Rule One.
perhaps trucknet should review the rules to cover manslaughter charges brought about by information passed between members on their site instead of just
All posters are legally responsible for the accuracy of their posts. TruckNet UK does not accept any responsibilty for any adverse consequences which arise from information posted by members which turns out to be incorrect.
That first section seems crystal clear to me, Johnny.
what is the use of fitting vehicles with fire fighting equipment if the driver is not trained in it’s usage?
Well its not rocket science is it!
They even have instructions printed on them.
I am trained in the useage of them from my PFS training years ago, and it was all pretty obvious stuff.
Our firm (DHL parcels) arent known for spending on optional extras with their vehicles. Yet all our vehicles over 3.5t have come with extinguishers fitted.
I suspect this is something to do with 'MV design & construction regs", so a manufacturer is supposed to fit a fire extinguisher when they buld the vehicle, but there’s no legal requirement for one to be carried by the operator. Not every new vehicle is checked that well so it’s possible one or two could be missed out when they leave the factory.
what is the use of fitting vehicles with fire fighting equipment if the driver is not trained in it’s usage?
Well its not rocket science is it!
They even have instructions printed on them.
I am trained in the useage of them from my PFS training years ago, and it was all pretty obvious stuff.
Our firm (DHL parcels) arent known for spending on optional extras with their vehicles. Yet all our vehicles over 3.5t have come with extinguishers fitted.
I suspect this is something to do with 'MV design & construction regs", so a manufacturer is supposed to fit a fire extinguisher when they build the vehicle, but there’s no legal requirement for one to be carried by the operator. Not every new vehicle is checked that well so it’s possible one or two could be missed out when they leave the factory.
You are trained if you made ADR-Driver Licence,as well as you get a First Aid Course.
So,as i read last "what is the use of fitting vehicles with fire fighting equipment if the driver is not trained in it’s usage? "
was it for me sure to discuss with a Person which has no ADR Licence,otherwise would he be trained in Fire outbusting.
He also would know that you can load a Trailer full Freight which is also Class1 but not ADR.
Anywhy.
short said as read at beginning:
ADR Transport now in National Job’s as it was alway’s in International Job’s
at Carlisle,and