Can anyone confirm if I am able to use an ADR licence with a C (HGV 2) licence, as I’ve been told that you must have the C + E, to start off, being a chemicals driver.
Any advice would be most welcome, and a happy new year to you all
Steve
If you’ve got your ADR then being class 2 or C doesn’t stop you using it.
Welcome to trucknet and a happy new year to you
I was under the impression that you could use it on any licence as any class of vehicle can carry a haz load, even vans. I think the only recquirement is a British licence, though maybe any EU licence will do now, I don’t know.
as long as you hold a drivers licence you can hold a haz licence although there must be some sort of exception to allow those flt drivers and warehouse workers without a driving licence to hold a adr too, as they are required to have an adr also if they handle haz goods in the job.
when idi my adr they was 7 1/2 ton drivrs taking it as well you dont even have to hold a driving licensce to have it cos what about your yard dgsa rep he will have but not nessarly a driver.
hgvsteve:
Can anyone confirm if I am able to use an ADR licence with a C (HGV 2) licence, as I’ve been told that you must have the C + E, to start off, being a chemicals driver.Any advice would be most welcome, and a happy new year to you all
Steve
this might be more to do with the firm, they may only have artics?
If you look about you’ll even see sprinters with ADR plates on. Isotopes etc for hospital xray machines are often delivered in an ■■■■■■ size van with ADR plates.
ADR covers so many loads. Sewerage for example, you often see cespool tankers with orange plates. Most of these are rigids.
I may be wrong but i ‘think’ a drivers mate (with no HGV licence) can have an ADR and acompany a driver without ADR on an ADR job.
ADR is for the carraige of Dangerous goods, substances, etc, it relates to safety and environment and what to do when it all goes wrong and is a competency qualification based in HSE law, nothing to do with the driving, ADR also applies to the railways and carraige of dangerous goods.
ADR also applies to the railways and carraige of dangerous goods.
I thought the ‘R’ in ADR stood for road? 
i know what you mean though, same thing applies to aircraft and ships, but under a different name.
dennisw1:
ADR also applies to the railways and carraige of dangerous goods.
I thought the ‘R’ in ADR stood for road?
i know what you mean though, same thing applies to aircraft and ships, but under a different name.
Yes it does, but it is essentially the same set of rules, with some different wording specific to the mode of transport, applied to railways in their operating white and pink pages.
dennisw1:
this might be more to do with the firm, they may only have artics?
I’d say you’re right. As has been said ADR is about dangerous goods and an LGV licence is about driving.
ADR is for carriage of Dangerous Good on the Roads.
You must hold a driving licence to make an ADR Licence
Warehouse staff have a differnend Hazmat licence and are just trained to store Hazmat in Warehouse
Vehicle under 3500kg as well as privat Transports need no ADR Licence,but,the Vehicle,in commercial use needs to be permited for ADR Transport 
Class 1 needs a secound Person in Cab
Class 7 needs special permit for transportation
Company which carryies,loads,unloads,handles or what ever with ADR needs an ADR Advicer in House.
ADR Advicer is the onliest Person which may you give the order to go with ADR,as it is the Person which checkes you,your Licence,Vehicle and Freight.
ADR Advicer gives you then Documents to go.
All other is so good as ilegal.
In that Case,if you load ADR ask first for seeing the ADR Adviser 
fred Kanka:
ADR is for carriage of Dangerous Good on the Roads.
You must hold a driving licence to make an ADR Licence
Warehouse staff have a differnend Hazmat licence and are just trained to store Hazmat in Warehouse
Vehicle under 3500kg as well as privat Transports need no ADR Licence,but,the Vehicle,in commercial use needs to be permited for ADR Transport
Class 1 needs a secound Person in Cab
Class 7 needs special permit for transportation
Company which carryies,loads,unloads,handles or what ever with ADR needs an ADR Advicer in House.
ADR Advicer is the onliest Person which may you give the order to go with ADR,as it is the Person which checkes you,your Licence,Vehicle and Freight.
ADR Advicer gives you then Documents to go.
All other is so good as ilegal.
In that Case,if you load ADR ask first for seeing the ADR Adviser
absolute rubbish
despite having trouble understanding what you have wrote here i get the impression that you are saying only the DGSA can issue documents and check the drivers adr licence and vehicle etc?
this is not so, for the road it is up to the driver to ensure he has the correct documentation, it is up to the carrier to ensure they provide a driver with the correct category and equipment to carry the load and it is only a general requirement in this country that the sender checks the driver has the correct category on their licence.
UK law does not hold the sender responsible for the transport of haz goods - more is the pity.
european laws are different to uk laws, so is maritime law different to both uk and eu law.
under maritime law everything is hazardous including limited quantity if it has been assigned a haz classification or un number, no matter how small or large the consignment is.
a companies dgsa may be part time and even employed by several different companies, they do not have to be on site during any loading or checking.
johnny:
fred Kanka:
ADR is for carriage of Dangerous Good on the Roads.
You must hold a driving licence to make an ADR Licence
Warehouse staff have a differnend Hazmat licence and are just trained to store Hazmat in Warehouse
Vehicle under 3500kg as well as privat Transports need no ADR Licence,but,the Vehicle,in commercial use needs to be permited for ADR Transport
Class 1 needs a secound Person in Cab
Class 7 needs special permit for transportation
Company which carryies,loads,unloads,handles or what ever with ADR needs an ADR Advicer in House.
ADR Advicer is the onliest Person which may you give the order to go with ADR,as it is the Person which checkes you,your Licence,Vehicle and Freight.
ADR Advicer gives you then Documents to go.
All other is so good as ilegal.
In that Case,if you load ADR ask first for seeing the ADR Adviserabsolute rubbish
despite having trouble understanding what you have wrote here i get the impression that you are saying only the DGSA can issue documents and check the drivers adr licence and vehicle etc?
this is not so, for the road it is up to the driver to ensure he has the correct documentation, it is up to the carrier to ensure they provide a driver with the correct category and equipment to carry the load and it is only a general requirement in this country that the sender checks the driver has the correct category on their licence.
UK law does not hold the sender responsible for the transport of haz goods - more is the pity.
european laws are different to uk laws, so is maritime law different to both uk and eu law.
under maritime law everything is hazardous including limited quantity if it has been assigned a haz classification or un number, no matter how small or large the consignment is.
a companies dgsa may be part time and even employed by several different companies, they do not have to be on site during any loading or checking.
absolute rubbish
Since Januar 2004 is the ADR Law in UK in action
For no Company is it alowed to handle ADR without having an ADR-Advicer in House
The ADR-Advicer is responsoble that ADR is packet in right Packet,loaded in safe kind on Lorry which is eligible to carry ADR and Driver who has ADR Licence
If you have an ADR Licence should you know that.
If you haven’t an ADR Licence can’t you carry ADR and you mustn’t know that.
But,in Case,I could send you Copy in German and French.
As i have to renew it the next month could i send you then a Copy in English too,as ADR Regulation is a International Law which doesn’t changes in use of other language
So:“No ADR-Advicer,no ADR Transport!”
Lorry without Airsupspension=No ADR Transport
Lorry without ABS=No ADR Transport
Driver without ADR Licence=No ADR Transport
Since Januar 2004 must each Commercial Vehicle be fitted with a 2kg ABC-Fire Extingusher.
Van,Lorry,Forklift’s
Who has them and who not 
Since Januar 2004 is the ADR-Law in UK in action
Who’s Company works that way and Who’s Company not
OK,the Departement of Health and Safety could manage it that the ADR Law not is in Power before April 2004,as Firefighter,and other Aidworker doesn’t have the Training before them.
Lacy as just could be,with knowing the coming of ADR Law in Advance but not making Training till it is too late
dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/d … 27295.hcsp
dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/d … 28342.hcsp
unece.org/trans/danger/danger.htm
the amount of post i’ve seen fredkanka put on this site talking rubbish is unreal, you do not need an in-house adr adviser workin behind the desk at a company, i’ve recently renewed my adr the guy who took us for the course works for a number of transport firms in humberside area and is self employed, in his ref to class 1explosives you don’t need 2 people in cab, class 7 radioactives you don’t need special permission to travel it’s all covered under adr. adr covers all vehicle’s and licences it depend what product and amount your carrying if adr apllies, check your facts fred 
I renewed my ADR about 2 years ago, though have’nt used it since 
but our tutor reckoned that the UK was going to come into line with Europe on certain aspects of the ADR regs, that the UK did’nt use for domestic transportation, but I cant remember what they were because we were up to Euro spec at our firm. I think it was to do with the safety equipment carried on the vehicle As for DGSA’s as far as i’m aware, if a firm contract an outside specialist to be their DGSA, then that is the same as employing them, and it is ultimatly your responsibilty as driver to ensure that you have the correct paper work, many a time i’ve had to wait at premises while the office faxed the tremcards shipping notesand other documentation to me, because often our company would be acting as the DGSA’s for the customer. As for not being able to have an ADR licence without a C+E licence, well you only need a full UK driving licence, so that the DVLA can issue the driver number to your ADR, so once you’ve got it it’s your’s, not the companies, so drive what you like ,
fred Kanka:
Since Januar 2004 must each Commercial Vehicle be fitted with a 2kg ABC-Fire Extingusher.
Queiry this Fred, all vehicles since 1995 engaged on ADR work have had to have fire extingushers fitted, and as for all new comercial vehicles, well I my boss bought me a truck in august, and that didnt come with a fire extingusher, so how has the dealer got away with not fitting it if its law 
Fred says no ABS no ADR where do i found that bit of info
once again we find fred kanka’s posts to be difficult to understand and wrong
although the uk rules for the transport of adr has changed slightly to come into line with those of other eu countries this change has been in the classification of certain products that the uk did not class as adr - one of these was diesel fuel in drums/other containers which is now classed as hazardous, some other products have also been classed as haz too.
you do not require an adr to carry hazardous goods providing they are in scope with limited quantities which a driver must judge on the size of each recepticle of haz and the total weight of the hazardous.
i.e. 100kg drums of class 3 packing group 3 will be classed as haz but if you only have 1 of them then you can carry it but if you have more than 5 of them then you can’t because the max you can carry is 500kgs of packing group 3.
i have all the relevant info in my truck so i am unsure as to the other amounts but i think packing group 2 is 200kgs max and packing group 1 requires has for any amount but i will have to look at the papers in my truck.
the rules for the carriage of adr substances and inparticular the classifications for non adr and limited quantities is very difficult to understand and us drivers have been greatly let down by government and trade unions over the carriage of haz goods in limited quantities by non haz trained drivers.
the law should have changed to incorporate any goods carried in the loading area for hire or reward as haz if it is 5kg or 500kg or 5000kg etc.
hitch:
Fred says no ABS no ADR where do i found that bit of info
Ask the Gov what you need to open a Transport Company.
further ask the need by running a Lorry with ADR.
You may get Books with a few hundret Pages 
There are also Trainingscentres around which train you for differend licence.ADR-Driver Licence,ADR-Warehouse Licence,ADR-Advicer Licence.
Your Garages may have Infos too.
Anywhy,to load on a Lorry ADR may need some differend to usuall.
Higher Risk by your Lorry Insurence,for exemple too.
be on Holiday in Carlisle at moment,but have a look when i am back