ADR v DCPC

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I need to start looking at doing my five DCPC modules as I haven’t done any as yet however, whilst I know I have to gain my 35 hours before next September or face losing my job, I have always seen the DCPC as a mere money maker and nothing else (30+ years class 1, if I don’t know what I am doing by now - God forbid) so I am looking at doing an ADR course; at least that way, I will actually learn something and gain an extra string to my bow.

Full ADR course (excl: explosive & radioactive), 4x days 21 points towards my DCPC: Fair enough, so I do the extra “Tank” training and still only 21 points. So how is that some trainers can offer the five day course and you get 28 points (Norbert Denty being one) whilst others can only offer 21 points for the exact same course

Is there some sort of list as to what training counts towards DCPC points.

Cheers, Westway Cruiser

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westway cruiser:
So how is that some trainers can offer the five day course and you get 28 points (Norbert Denty being one) whilst others can only offer 21 points for the exact same course

Hi,

I can’t give a good answer to that, but a couple of the ADR providers that I work for have asked JAUPT the same question.
After much fuss and bother, their answer has finally been clarified.
It is possible to gain 7 DCPC hours for taking a tanker awareness course, but it CANNOT lead to the issuing of an ADR tanks licence from SQA.

That was JAUPT’s answer, but how (or whether) they’ll enforce it is anybody’s guess.

westway cruiser:
Is there some sort of list as to what training counts towards DCPC points.

Yes mate, there is. :smiley:

Here’s a link:

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Check that the ADR course you take has been JAUPT-approved for DCPC purposes.

Check that your hours get up-loaded afterwards.

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This question was asked when I did my ADR,and this is what we were told…monday to wednesday,all the core and package modules were taught,this got us 21hours…core and package exams were on thursday,and was told exams,arnt classed as training.
After the exams ,we use the rest of the time left,to start tanks ,and finished off on friday,with the end of the training ,then did the exam.
So it was explained to us ,that only the training time was classed as time for DCPC…hence I got 21hours

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Let’s have this answered once and for all:

“How to make a 35 hour credit out of hours involving an ADR course - from scratch.”

The starting driver has 0 hours DCPC credit, and only a bog-standard C+E licence to their name - such as myself.

I believe a lot of drivers at present are finding themselves stuck on 21 or 28 hours because the course they went on was just not complete enough. So? Does that mean you have to go and get another 2 lots of 7 hours credit covering things like “How to empty the ashtrays” or “alighting a vehicle” and all that other ■■■■■■■■ that passes for “necessary qualifications”■■?

No one has offered me 35 hours anything in one block at present. It’s all seperate 7 hour bits most of which I don’t want or am simply not interested in.
I don’t want a HIAB, because I’d get demote from C+E work if I got one.
I don’t want a Moffet/palfinger because I’d end up driving artics around country lanes all the time.
I DO want an ADR course, but can’t seem to get enough credit for it - even with tanks.

I second the notion that perhaps we should all be educated as to what modules are available beyond the obvious… :slight_smile:

I hear rumours that the “drivers hours” module is compulsory - ie the 35 hours credit you get MUST include it? :confused: . Someone put me right here please… :blush: :frowning:

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Winseer. NO DCPC modules are compulsory at all.

You could do day 1 and 2 of the adr training again if you wish.

You can also 5 first aid courses if you wanted

The only things that are compulsory are

You must attend
You must do 35 hours
You must show your licence and ID if you have a paper licence
Nothing mentioned about what course you must do

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So, I’m ok if I literally make it up out of bits and pieces of my choice then…
Thanks for that.
Perhaps I’ll do the full ADR (worth 21 hours?) and stick a first aid on it, and something else which I have not thought of yet, as I don’t know what exactly is available…
I don’t want to sit in the front row in class and sleep you see, which is what will happen if I throw myself into a classroom seat, totally uninterested by what’s on offer. :frowning:

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I’m heading that way myself:
ADR + first aid course + 101 things you wanted to know about hi-viz vests but where afraid to ask.

Should add up to me 35.

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Dipper_Dave:
I’m heading that way myself:
ADR + first aid course + 101 things you wanted to know about hi-viz vests but where afraid to ask.

Should add up to me 35.

:open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :frowning:

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Winseer:
Let’s have this answered once and for all:

“How to make a 35 hour credit out of hours involving an ADR course - from scratch.”

The starting driver has 0 hours DCPC credit, and only a bog-standard C+E licence to their name - such as myself.

I believe a lot of drivers at present are finding themselves stuck on 21 or 28 hours because the course they went on was just not complete enough. So? Does that mean you have to go and get another 2 lots of 7 hours credit covering things like “How to empty the ashtrays” or “alighting a vehicle” and all that other ■■■■■■■■ that passes for “necessary qualifications”■■?

Fraid so…but I chose drivers hours and load security

No one has offered me 35 hours anything in one block at present. It’s all seperate 7 hour bits most of which I don’t want or am simply not interested in.

Place where I did mine at(ne england),do 35 hours in one block,but by the time I joined for my 2 sessions,poor buggers had lost the will to live

I don’t want a HIAB, because I’d get demote from C+E work if I got one.
I don’t want a Moffet/palfinger because I’d end up driving artics around country lanes all the time.
I DO want an ADR course, but can’t seem to get enough credit for it - even with tanks.

I second the notion that perhaps we should all be educated as to what modules are available beyond the obvious… :slight_smile:

I hear rumours that the “drivers hours” module is compulsory - ie the 35 hours credit you get MUST include it? :confused: . Someone put me right here please… :blush: :frowning:

No…but more interesting…compared to the rest what was on offer

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Winseer:
Let’s have this answered once and for all:

“How to make a 35 hour credit out of hours involving an ADR course - from scratch.”

The starting driver has 0 hours DCPC credit, and only a bog-standard C+E licence to their name - such as myself.

Hi Winseer,

The easy answer is that you can’t get 35 hours for an ADR course, because the maximum is 21.

Winseer:
I believe a lot of drivers at present are finding themselves stuck on 21 or 28 hours because the course they went on was just not complete enough.

If you mean an ADR course, then they’ll be stuck as you said.

Winseer:
So? Does that mean you have to go and get another 2 lots of 7 hours credit covering things like “How to empty the ashtrays” or “alighting a vehicle” and all that other ■■■■■■■■ that passes for “necessary qualifications”■■?

Yes, I’m afraid so. I wish it were otherwise though.

Winseer:
No one has offered me 35 hours anything in one block at present. It’s all seperate 7 hour bits most of which I don’t want or am simply not interested in.
I don’t want a HIAB, because I’d get demote from C+E work if I got one.
I don’t want a Moffet/palfinger because I’d end up driving artics around country lanes all the time.
I DO want an ADR course, but can’t seem to get enough credit for it - even with tanks.

I second the notion that perhaps we should all be educated as to what modules are available beyond the obvious… :slight_smile:

I hear rumours that the “drivers hours” module is compulsory - ie the 35 hours credit you get MUST include it? :confused: . Someone put me right here please… :blush: :frowning:

The drivers’ hours module isn’t compulsory, so it’s just a rumour.

There’s a link to JAUPT in my post above.
If you have a look at it, you’ll see that you can search for courses.

Winseer:
So, I’m ok if I literally make it up out of bits and pieces of my choice then…

Yes indeed, I’m afraid that’s the way of it.

Winseer:
Perhaps I’ll do the full ADR (worth 21 hours?) and stick a first aid on it, and something else which I have not thought of yet, as I don’t know what exactly is available…

You could check the link in my post above, or maybe post and ask who’s done what (and where) to help give you some ideas.
:bulb: Maybe you could try ringing some DCPC providers in your area to ask what they offer?

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Some training schools have put together a 35 hour dcpc ‘course’ perhaps by doing the 3.5 day ADR and then adding other coursess to it for another 2 days making a full 35 hours between mon am to sat lunch

Other combinations may be available

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Full ADR Initial course is defo. the way forward to get 21 hours DCPC credit, effectively for nothing (tho’ some providers make a small, extra charge for uploading to JAUPT) - especially if ADR is needed or something you’re looking at doing. It’s a genuine two birds with one stone scenario. Obviously it don’t suit everyone - but if it does, not only does it save money - but also classroom time - alternatively you could do 5 x 7 hour DCPC modules, surely it’s an easy choice, but as I said - not for everyone.

Drivers Hours module is NOT compulsory but I would recommend it to most drivers (the need is highlighted by some of the questions posted on here■■?).

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Daz1970:
Drivers Hours module is NOT compulsory but I would recommend it to most drivers

I would also recommend that going to a LGV training school for that because they are unlikely to give out false info and be able to answer questions on the reality of driving as well as the need to keep a good reputation

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westway cruiser:
I need to start looking at doing my five DCPC modules as I haven’t done any as yet however, whilst I know I have to gain my 35 hours before next September or face losing my job, I have always seen the DCPC as a mere money maker and nothing else (30+ years class 1, if I don’t know what I am doing by now - God forbid) so I am looking at doing an ADR course; at least that way, I will actually learn something and gain an extra string to my bow.

Full ADR course (excl: explosive & radioactive), 4x days 21 points towards my DCPC: Fair enough, so I do the extra “Tank” training and still only 21 points. So how is that some trainers can offer the five day course and you get 28 points (Norbert Denty being one) whilst others can only offer 21 points for the exact same course

Is there some sort of list as to what training counts towards DCPC points.

Cheers, Westway Cruiser

I did ADR and HIAB and that got me my 35 hours hope this helps.regards Jeff.

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Clearly a can of worms has been opened on the subject of ADR v DCPC and many thanks to all that replied.

One member replied as to contacting LGV (HGV in my books) driving schools to seek their advise and this I have done. I contacted 2x such reputable schools and you guessed it, 2x different answers.

The primary reason for asking the original question is relating to agency and those drivers who are self-employed, such as myself. The cost of each DCPC module say 80 quid and the loss of a day’s work and those drivers are probably looking £200 or more per one day’s training; x 5 days training and those guys (and girls) are out of pocket to the tune of a grand or more (donations gratefully received), with no hope of recovering the costs so, the need to gain as many brownie points in as short a time-scale as possible is extremely important; if only from a financial point of view.

Isn’t it about time “Jaupe” posted a list of what counts and what brownie points are earned?

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dcpc ■■? it would appear to be the most complicated yet useless piece of legislation to be dreamt up by faceless pillocks creating more revenue and non jobs to date . I drive vans & 7.5t , I was employed on the basis that I was able/willing to drive both as and when required . the worry now is , if I don’t have it will I still have a job come September ■■. my gaffer has not even mentioned it, and to be honest I don’t think there is any chance that someone who is too tight/greedy to put a 10p Christmas card up on the board has any intention of paying for courses or the time spent on them . so my options appear to be a) take a week off, either a weeks holiday or a week unpaid , and pay whatever to get the non qualifications . [buy a right work, why don’t I buy a iffy class 1 while im at it ?] or b) look for another job (non driving) and lets be honest there are loads of jobs out there for 56 yr olds especially in the affluent north of the country unlike the poor south where the people in charge seem to be based . (cynical moi !!! ■■ YOU BET !!). this is based on the assumption I can actually find a 35 hr weeks course. as has been said already these courses should be useful and a opportunity for a driver to upgrade his skills not just a box ticking exercise . due to the nature of my job , we work off the phone as and when required 24 hr availability so a course taking place ,say every tuesday for 7 Tuesdays would be useless to me . eg go to work mon 10 pm and drive say to brighton and back , Tuesdays a no no , so a course booked and paid for is money down the drain .I could always turn down the mon night job ,but this would then put me at the bottom of the rota add to that I may have caused a problem due to to sudden influx of work for mon/tue then factor in that the gaffer takes a sulk and forgets me for the rest of the week ( it happens) and its a weeks work gone. any way rant over merry Christmas to all

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We had a discussion last night about dcpc - the OH is up to his 35 now, but he ended up doing a safed course twice as it was easy for his last employer to just send him on it again rather than find another subject.

We were looking at my mod 2 stuff and he was asking why I was having to cover some areas that he’d never even looked at.

There is a lot of info in the dcpc and some of it is good, although some is pretty obvious especially to experienced hauliers.

As to the previous poster some places are offering Sat training, I know this guy jaupt.org.uk/centre?id=c231a … 155d010603 who offers very reasonably priced courses, he gets enough people together then runs them around east and west sussex at different venues. He runs his own W&D firm too and has plenty of driving miles under his belt so he does understand the problems for drivers. Can’t hurt to see what he’s got running.

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westway cruiser:
Isn’t it about time “Jaupe” posted a list of what counts and what brownie points are earned?

Hi mate,

JAUPT have published a searchable list of courses and providers, and it’s in my post above, but repeated here:

:arrow_right: http://www.jaupt.org.uk/

If you take some time to read it and have a trawl about, you’ll see that there’s quite a choice of courses available.

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westway cruiser:
The primary reason for asking the original question is relating to agency and those drivers who are self-employed, such as myself. The cost of each DCPC module say 80 quid and the loss of a day’s work and those drivers are probably looking £200 or more per one day’s training; x 5 days training and those guys (and girls) are out of pocket to the tune of a grand or more (donations gratefully received), with no hope of recovering the costs so, the need to gain as many brownie points in as short a time-scale as possible is extremely important; if only from a financial point of view.

If you do a dcpc course on your day off and do not get paid for doing it then no work time has been lost