ADR Question Please

I Apologise if I am being dumb (I await the inevitable confirmation of the fact)
I had one small parcel (smaller than Shoebox, delivery note does not show volume or quantity) on my truck yesterday that was fully stickered up a Class 3 Flamable.
Would it come under domestic Regulations or limited Quantity ?
I have ADR anyway & grabbed my spill Kit & instructions in writing clipboard ETC. but no Orange plaquards on the truck.
Did I Cluck up? Should it be seperated from everything else? I Run 2 compartments (Chill & Ambient controlled)
I only deliver Pharmacuticals to Hospitals mostly so it’s a bit of a guilt complex not to deliver my cargo.

I’ve only done clinical waste ADR up until now so non smelly ADR is new to me.

It’s not a dumb question, Diesel Dave is the top man here to assist you.

Even if it’s a thimble of something that falls under ADR then yes you need to display your orange ADR signage on the truck

As for separation…I wouldn’t put it in the chiller [emoji23] but if in doubt and it’s only small you could put it in the cab with you [emoji6]

oldwelshdude:
Even if it’s a thimble of something that falls under ADR then yes you need to display your orange ADR signage on the truck

As for separation…I wouldn’t put it in the chiller [emoji23] but if in doubt and it’s only small you could put it in the cab with you [emoji6]

I wouldn’t have thought putting a flamable product that may give off flamable fumes in you’re cab with you was a great idea. be safer in the back kept cool where the flash point of the product would hopefully be improved. Even a small amount of this carried would need a sticker on the unit and trailer, it alerts the fire and emergency services what is being carried in the event of an accident. It really depends on how much and how dangerous the product is I suppose as to the storage method.

Morph:
I Apologise if I am being dumb (I await the inevitable confirmation of the fact)
I had one small parcel (smaller than Shoebox, delivery note does not show volume or quantity) on my truck yesterday that was fully stickered up a Class 3 Flamable.
Would it come under domestic Regulations or limited Quantity ?
I have ADR anyway & grabbed my spill Kit & instructions in writing clipboard ETC. but no Orange plaquards on the truck.
Did I Cluck up? Should it be seperated from everything else? I Run 2 compartments (Chill & Ambient controlled)
I only deliver Pharmacuticals to Hospitals mostly so it’s a bit of a guilt complex not to deliver my cargo.

I’ve only done clinical waste ADR up until now so non smelly ADR is new to me.

What was the UN number and the quantity ? Presume it’s delivered now .

What did your Dangerous Goods Safety Advisor suggest?

It is no longer the drivers responsibility to worry about labels, placards and quantity. for good reason

Wheel Nut:
What did your Dangerous Goods Safety Advisor suggest?

It is no longer the drivers responsibility to worry about labels, placards and quantity. for good reason

^^^ this.

Wheel Nut:
What did your Dangerous Goods Safety Advisor suggest?

It is no longer the drivers responsibility to worry about labels, placards and quantity. for good reason

I would say quite clearly in this case it was exactly that & left for the driver to discover. Someone somewhere has authorised this to go ahead and be loaded there must be a paper trail leading to whom is responsible. Personaly I would have refused to carry it as I do not have an ADR and the truck was not marked up in accordance. It may well have been a case of someone could have labeled the package up incorrectly but would you really want to take the chance of carrying something potentially dangerous? I cannot imagine any haulage contractor allowing this to happen knowingly.

oldwelshdude:
Even if it’s a thimble of something that falls under ADR then yes you need to display your orange ADR signage on the truck

As for separation…I wouldn’t put it in the chiller [emoji23] but if in doubt and it’s only small you could put it in the cab with you [emoji6]

You are allowed to carry TC (tranport category) 3. 1000 litres/Kg TC 2. 333 litres/Kg TC 1. 50 litres/Kg of ADR without plates or adr kit

Yorkshire Tramper:

Wheel Nut:
What did your Dangerous Goods Safety Advisor suggest?

It is no longer the drivers responsibility to worry about labels, placards and quantity. for good reason

I would say quite clearly in this case it was exactly that & left for the driver to discover. Someone somewhere has authorised this to go ahead and be loaded there must be a paper trail leading to whom is responsible. Personaly I would have refused to carry it as I do not have an ADR and the truck was not marked up in accordance. It may well have been a case of someone could have labeled the package up incorrectly but would you really want to take the chance of carrying something potentially dangerous? I cannot imagine any haulage contractor allowing this to happen knowingly.

You don’t half talk some guff!
You mention that you’re not ADR trained yet you’re offering advice on a subject that you blatantly know nothing about.
You appear to want to comment on every thread on the forum, are you bored or just a busybody?

Grumpy_old_trucker:

Yorkshire Tramper:

Wheel Nut:
What did your Dangerous Goods Safety Advisor suggest?

It is no longer the drivers responsibility to worry about labels, placards and quantity. for good reason

I would say quite clearly in this case it was exactly that & left for the driver to discover. Someone somewhere has authorised this to go ahead and be loaded there must be a paper trail leading to whom is responsible. Personaly I would have refused to carry it as I do not have an ADR and the truck was not marked up in accordance. It may well have been a case of someone could have labeled the package up incorrectly but would you really want to take the chance of carrying something potentially dangerous? I cannot imagine any haulage contractor allowing this to happen knowingly.

You don’t half talk some guff!
You mention that you’re not ADR trained yet you’re offering advice on a subject that you blatantly know nothing about.
You appear to want to comment on every thread on the forum, are you bored or just a busybody?

Just my opinion of the subject not offering anyone advice, might say the same to you, every time you comment on anything it is just pure trash and insulting. You are just a miserable old man that has a big chip on his shoulder and leaves no opinion other than to try to pull anyone down. The industry is full of drivers like you, only difference is that some of them can succeed in pulling people down whilst making themselves feel or look good, however you are not very good at it. Am I bored well yes today I am, if nobody answered any posts it would be quite dull wouldn’t it, imagine a forum filled with muppetts like you, now that would be worse.

I’ve not resorted to personal abuse, unlike you.
I only have one account on the forum, unlike you.

Grumpy_old_trucker:
I’ve not resorted to personal abuse, unlike you.
I only have one account on the forum, unlike you.

Oh Yaaaaawwwnn I would say you are pretty dull mate and misinformed, just my opinion not advice

Stephenjp:
You are allowed to carry TC (tranport category) 3. 1000 litres/Kg TC 2. 333 litres/Kg TC 1. 50 litres/Kg of ADR without plates or adr kit

I wasted £500 and a week of my life to believe that this is correct.
Some terrible information on this thread

Yorkshire Tramper:

Grumpy_old_trucker:
I’ve not resorted to personal abuse, unlike you.
I only have one account on the forum, unlike you.

Oh Yaaaaawwwnn I would say you are pretty dull mate and misinformed, just my opinion not advice, you might be an ok bloke but who knows and realisticaly who cares? Don’t take offence mate, this is a forum to express you’re opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs, I didn’t realise there was a cap on how many replies you are allowed

Dave the DGSA will be along shortly to answer this question and lock the thread. He will ask for the UN number, PSN and PG. he will also ask about the size, & package type too. Only then can he give a definitive answer.

Drivers guessing and believing in elves and fairies brought in legislation to employ a DGSA.

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ADR and Dangerous Goods are laws and regulations.
Advice should come from those with qualifications. Personal opinion should be kept to football and other unimportant minor stuff like religion and politics.

Morph:
I Apologise if I am being dumb (I await the inevitable confirmation of the fact)

Hi Morph,

The only confirmations you’ll get from me are that you’re NOT dumb, and… you were trying to do a job (your boss’ job) which is higher than your paygrade if you’re an employed driver. :slight_smile:

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Caveat:
I’ll start by saying that I believe every word you wrote in your OP. I’ll now add that I’m assuming that the consignor (=sender) has followed their legal responsibilities as set out in ADR.

Morph:
I had one small parcel (smaller than Shoebox, delivery note does not show volume or quantity) on my truck yesterday that was fully stickered up a Class 3 Flamable.
Would it come under domestic Regulations or limited Quantity ?

The fact that the box had a Class 3 label totally removes any possibility that it counts as Limited Quantity (LQ,) because an LQ label is black and white, whereas a Class 3 label is red.

A Class 3 label:

L3.jpg

An LQ label:

LQ.jpg

:bulb: Surely, even Mr Magoo couldn’t get these mixed up!! :grimacing: :laughing: :laughing:

Still with my caveat in mind… Class 3 substances (not packaged as LQs) will be in one of five ADR Transport Categories (TCs are numbered 0 - 4) for the purpose of giving us a partial exemption if we’re carrying an amount equal to or less that the relevant limit for that category.

TC 0 has no allowance
TC 1 has a 20Kg/L allowance
TC 2 has a 333Kg/L allowance
TC 3 has a 1,000Kg/L allowance
TC 4 has an unlimited allowance…
… as mentioned by Stephenjp

If the ‘stuff’ you were carrying was in ADR TC 0 (which is extremely unlikely,) that would be the only time you’d have needed to grab all of your kit as you did, but then you’d also have needed your ADR Card and orange plates too.

More likely… you were carrying the ‘stuff’ in an amount equal to or less than the relevant ADR TC limit, so all you actually needed was 1 X 2Kg ADR compliant dry powder fire extinguisher and have had some documented ADR ‘awareness’ training. When you’re carrying ‘stuff’ according to the TC limits, NOTHING ELSE APPLIES.

If you’re carrying ‘stuff’ in an amount which exceeds the relevant ADR TC limit, it’s a fully regulated load and all rules apply, such as the need for all kit, 2 extinguishers, orange plates and your ADR Card being on board the vehicle (amongst other things.)

Morph:
I have ADR anyway & grabbed my spill Kit & instructions in writing clipboard ETC. but no Orange plaquards on the truck.

With hindsight, we can now say that you had something of an over-reaction, and that you should have asked your boss.

Morph:
Did I Cluck up?

No, and that’s because it’s your boss’ job to have sorted this for you and given you correct instructions for the work he was asking you to do.
If your boss had had the legally required ADR ‘awareness’ training suitable to his position and responsibilities, he’d have been able to give you a good answer there and then on the day.
Given that your company carries dangerous goods, your boss should seek advice from a properly qualified DGSA to ascertain what needs to be done in order that the situation in which you found yourself doesn’t occur again.

The transport chain comes into play here… It is the consignor’s inescapable legal obligation to identify, classify, fill, close, document and label a consignment of dangerous goods, then communicate that information in a traceable form to the carrier (your boss) so that a decision can be made (by the carrier) as to which ADR carriage requirements apply to a particular job.

Maybe the consignment should have been classed as LQs, but without the missing info on the amount and exact method of packaging, then Owen Money’s observation applies.

:bulb: It is NOT a part of an employed driver’s duties to act as a surrogate DGSA!! :smiley:

I could give you a better answer if the info mentioned by Wheel Nut above were available.

As I’m an ADR driver with packages, if I’m wrong then so is the literature and training given, wrong!!!

Edit: It appears 50 for TC 1 is supposed to be 20 litres/kg as stated above, 50 is the multiplier, TC 1 is not something we normally carry!

oldwelshdude:
Even if it’s a thimble of something that falls under ADR then yes you need to display your orange ADR signage on the truck

Sorry mate, this is wildly incorrect.