Adaptive Cruise Control - Mindblown

Bluey Circles:

mucker85:

the nodding donkey:

mucker85:
These bloody modern drivers just have to turn a key to start their trucks, bring back the starting handle I say.

Pah, starting handle? You were lucky. We had to park 't truck on 't hill, facing downhill, with a brick under 't wheel…

:sunglasses:

As a lad I had to light fire in’t boiler

you were lucky to have a fire to light, we just had an old water storage tank, didn’t even have any wheels on it.

Old storage tank? You were lucky. We used to dream of an old storage tank.

the nodding donkey:

Bluey Circles:

mucker85:

the nodding donkey:

mucker85:
These bloody modern drivers just have to turn a key to start their trucks, bring back the starting handle I say.

Pah, starting handle? You were lucky. We had to park 't truck on 't hill, facing downhill, with a brick under 't wheel…

:sunglasses:

As a lad I had to light fire in’t boiler

you were lucky to have a fire to light, we just had an old water storage tank, didn’t even have any wheels on it.

Old storage tank? You were lucky. We used to dream of an old storage tank.

You had time to sleep!!

Juddian:

stevieboy308:

Juddian:
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You always seem to want to be stuck in the past! Unless you’ve got hold of the reigns and feeding the horse, then you’re not a proper trucker, eh?!

Maybe, yes i do prefer the old ways, like honour integrity morals and courtesy in people, back in the days when a man’s word meant something, as well as the old ways we used to do the job.

However, there’s another side to this, and i’m a little surprised that it should need expanding.

I can’t be the only one who realises that the end game in all this progress is the removal of the driver from the lorry, or at the very least a minimising of the number of skilled drivers needed to do the job, there will always be a certain amount of hands on whatever they do, but they are trying their best to make the vehicles more or less drive themselves.

Why are drivers welcome this automating of their job, it’s aimed at dumbing the job down so any bugger can sit in a lorry and point the thing, and when any bugger can do it any bugger does do it, no shortage of any buggers so the job can be low paid.
As stated a few posts above a few days course followed by a quick test and hey presto one fully skilled lorry driver hits the road.

The blokes earning well now in the transport game are doing jobs that they can’t automate and still require some nous, the vast bulk of lorry jobs though have become chauffering and little, else.
This is what so many wanted, and up to a point i understand it, but you have to look further than a ■■■■ easy job you are doing now and try to see whats coming next.

Yes the job was harder in years gone by, it was a bloody sight harder still 30 years before i started too, but i believe we’ve gone too far in welcoming what they tell us we need.

I don’t expect much agreement with this view, but hopefully it will give you an insight why i say what i do about not being too keen on things that make our job easier (only they don’t), they aint doing it to make our lives easier or any other benevolent reason, they’re doing it to make it easier to get any cheaply bought and trained sod off the street and onto that seat behind the wheel.

But you’re making out we should, or even could stop progress, we can’t and we shouldn’t!
It’s pointless whinging about progress, embrace it.

You want to have the job harder and less comfortable than it needs to be to put people off wanting to do it so the supply : demand favours better money. I understand how that works, just given the choice. I’d trade some brass to have an easier, more comfortable life, don’t take that as I’m work shy, far from it, it’s just common sense.

There’s a definite possibility that in my remaining working life that the truck driver in general could become redundant, so be it, if and when that day comes, I’ll be one of the few left specialising, or I’ll go and do something else.

Yes progress takes jobs, the car factory has been mentioned, but it also gives jobs, how many people work in the mobile phone industry? It’s only been mainstream for around 20 years.

I’m not going to want a stop on progress to ensure the job I do now will still need doing when I retire. I’m guessing central heating wasn’t too kind to coal men and chimney sweeps, roof tiles probably had a hand in the fall in numbers of thatchers in the country, it be pointless still paying firemen on trains. The interweb is killing off what was once a licence to print money - printers! Only taxes and death are guaranteed in life.

What would you like to see banned or progress halted to save jobs? But it might stop my future career that hasn’t even been dreamt up yet that is my absolute calling in life.

I work on a farm, a pretty big farm, I couldn’t imagine the amount of staff needed in yesteryear compared to now. All them numbers that used to be needed aren’t sat on the dole, they’re doing something else, unemployment is there or there abouts over the last 150 years. When I worked on the arable side, one of my jobs was the Sprayer driver, now by today’s standards it was very basic, a modern one now will automatically raise and lower the boom, including bending at the elbow, steer itself down the tramlines, automatically switch on and off the spray including upto individual nozzle switching. I’m glad I started and learned the manual way and in a truck before sat nav and auto boxes. But I love the modern stuff and the way when I had to go and fill in on the drill tractor as a novice, it would drive itself to 20mm accuracy all day long, well most of it, then I had to steer it and I wished I’d done a bit before auto steer on that too!

I don’t wanna alter the supply and demand by driving scrap and chewing my ■■■■■■■■ off, I want it altering through stuff like the dcpc, make it tested, make it harder, not scrapped as many want. Backing the lack of 7.5t with a car licence, backing anything that will make it harder or more expensive to become and remain a truck driver, not calling stuff like that like many do. I’d even have modules / ticket / tests for different trailer / body types too, I don’t think many would agree with me through!

One thing that troubles me as a vehicle owner is the extra things to go wrong, things that will render the vehicle inoperative and things that cost a small fortune to fix, or more accurately replace as nothing is fixable anymore.

My lorries have electric windows, how hard is it to turn a crank handle on the door to lower a window ffs. They have electrically adjustable mirrors that need to be constantly readjusted as every time you clean them the mirror moves, the mirrors also vibrate constantly, what was wrong with a mirror firmly fixed to the arm? I don’t adjust my mirrors except when I’ve cleaned them and they’ve moved!

They also have poncey climate control systems, one minute you have hot air blowing out the vents, the next it’s ice cold, the old lever connected to a valve controlling hot water flow through the heater matrix worked just fine, in fact it worked better and it almost never went wrong, unlike it’s luxury equivalent and if it did go wrong it didn’t cost thousands to repair and keep a lorry off the road for a week while the dealer waits for parts!

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I’m with you Jolly Jack, I love adaptive cruise control. Fantastic in the Volvo I use it as much as I can.

JollyJack:
Its one of those things, get used to it and it will become a problem, i’ve found myself to be a more aware driver since i’ve got the new unit and i believe that will continue.

This is the problem in a nutshell. Too many drivers don’t give me technology the time to prove itself. They make judgements on lorries before they’ve even driven them and guess what, get into a lorry expecting to hate it and you will. Personally I like to give everything a fair chance and read up on how stuff works first. I took think it’s making me a better driver.

I had to drive a truck without armrests yesterday, it was truly awful. My father didn’t die in the great transport wars of the eighties only to have unscrupulous employers take advantage of me, his favourite son

switchlogic:

JollyJack:
Its one of those things, get used to it and it will become a problem, i’ve found myself to be a more aware driver since i’ve got the new unit and i believe that will continue.

This is the problem in a nutshell. Too many drivers don’t give me technology the time to prove itself. They make judgements on lorries before they’ve even driven them and guess what, get into a lorry expecting to hate it and you will. Personally I like to give everything a fair chance and read up on how stuff works first. I took think it’s making me a better driver.

Same with sat navs,I’m sure some of the map loyal drivers think a satnavs will electronically seize control of the vehicle and take them down a narrow country lane til they are stuck then hand back control to the driver…but like those you see stuck and there excuse is “the sat nav took me that way”,a sat nav never “takes” you anyway it just advises a route,following the route is down drivers choice.
Time to pack away the paper maps and embrace sat navs.

switchlogic:
I had to drive a truck without armrests yesterday, it was truly awful. My father didn’t die in the great transport wars of the eighties only to have unscrupulous employers take advantage of me, his favourite son

That’s disgraceful bejond the pale. I would have refused point blank to drive it. Next they’ll spec the truck without a fridge. It’s the thin end of the wedge I tell you. It’s time drivers stood up for themselves.

Yours, Major Disgusted (ret), Tunbridge Wells.

mucker85:
It’s fitted to the new coaches at work. On long night drives I don’t see many trucks but the ones I do see are going as fast as me. Only they aren’t, as you catch up to a slower moving vehicle it is so gentle as it reduces your speed you don’t notice it. I’ll be driving along thinking to myself “this truck ahead is motoring on”, then I look down at the speedo and see I’m only doing 90 kph. Indicate to overtake otherwise the lane departure vibrates your ■■■ and away she goes.

This is how adaptive cruise works. Quite why some are finding this hard is a mystery.

In the past with crappy trucks you had to learn how to get the best of of them and modern trucks with all their electrogizmos and autowhatchyamacallits are no different.

Keep hearing the same guff about auto boxes. Oh, they don’t know what gear to take islands in. Tell it what bloody gear to be in then, there are numerous ways to do this.

You cannot fight progress and the energy you waste trying would be better diverted to getting the best out of your equipment, This stuff is only going to get more prevalent.

Terry T:
Keep hearing the same guff about auto boxes. Oh, they don’t know what gear to take islands in. Tell it what bloody gear to be in then, there are numerous ways to do this.

The irony.They fit auto boxes to suit drivers who don’t know how to drive or who are too lazy to use their left leg and arm to shift gears.Then they find out that the gearbox needs to be connected to the human brain with eyes of someone who knows how to drive to make it work properly in the real world.That’s progress. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

Auto boxes are always going to be a compromise. It’s too much to expect a computer to read every single variable on the road and select the perfect gear for the instant you decide to press the go pedal.

You can, with practise, get the box to select the right gear at the right time in these situations and once you get going you can let it do its thing. The vast majority of my gear changes are done by the box and to me, that’s progress.

Carryfast:

Terry T:
Keep hearing the same guff about auto boxes. Oh, they don’t know what gear to take islands in. Tell it what bloody gear to be in then, there are numerous ways to do this.

The irony.They fit auto boxes to suit drivers who don’t know how to drive or who are too lazy to use their left leg and arm to shift gears.Then they find out that the gearbox needs to be connected to the human brain with eyes of someone who knows how to drive to make it work properly in the real world.That’s progress. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

They don’t. They work perfectly well without drivers interfering

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

Terry T:
Keep hearing the same guff about auto boxes. Oh, they don’t know what gear to take islands in. Tell it what bloody gear to be in then, there are numerous ways to do this.

The irony.They fit auto boxes to suit drivers who don’t know how to drive or who are too lazy to use their left leg and arm to shift gears.Then they find out that the gearbox needs to be connected to the human brain with eyes of someone who knows how to drive to make it work properly in the real world.That’s progress. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

They don’t. They work perfectly well without drivers interfering

I remember an automatic volvo joining the fleet of milk tankers, and all the drivers predicting that it would not be able to deal with liquid sloshing around a half full tank, going round country lanes, up and down the hills… how wrong they were.

We needed regular assistance for the manual box ERF (nee MAN) trucks when they got stuck trying g to get up slippery lanes or farm yards. No such problems with the Volvo.

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

Terry T:
Keep hearing the same guff about auto boxes. Oh, they don’t know what gear to take islands in. Tell it what bloody gear to be in then, there are numerous ways to do this.

The irony.They fit auto boxes to suit drivers who don’t know how to drive or who are too lazy to use their left leg and arm to shift gears.Then they find out that the gearbox needs to be connected to the human brain with eyes of someone who knows how to drive to make it work properly in the real world.That’s progress. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

They don’t. They work perfectly well without drivers interfering

Which is contradicted by comments concerning the things being in the wrong gear at the wrong time on the approach to roundabouts etc.Because unlike humans they don’t have eyes connected directly to the gear shift through the human brain and arm and leg.In which case the choice seems to be employ a driver who can drive,not one who can’t,as opposed to an auto box which doesn’t have all the required superior biological kit to do the job properly like a decent driver can regardless.

In which case the obvious flaw in Terry T’s idea is that the type of driver who an auto box is designed for has eyes but can’t drive,so can’t actually tell the blind auto box what to do even though he can see the roundabout or hill ahead. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

youtube.com/watch?v=ve1X9zSloiU

Carryfast, are you being an expert on auto boxes despite never using one in a truck? Just like air suspension?!!

I drive an ishift, 99.9% in auto, you can get them to do what you want to a degree just by altering throttle position, like you know as you’re cresting a hill and the engine is getting pulled down, you know it’ll be fine and make it, but the truck doesn’t know, so it’s going to drop a gear or 2, just lifting off the throttle a little will stop it down shifting, easy! Just on ununiform hills I’ll flick it into manual to hold the gear.

But the new ones have a option that records the topography, so it knows it’s going to crest the hill without dropping the gears and they share info with other trucks with the feature, so a truck can have the data without driving it first.

Carryfast is a typical communist /socialist agitator. No actual knowledge /experience but full of talk… so full of ■■■■■■■ talk…

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

Terry T:
Keep hearing the same guff about auto boxes. Oh, they don’t know what gear to take islands in. Tell it what bloody gear to be in then, there are numerous ways to do this.

The irony.They fit auto boxes to suit drivers who don’t know how to drive or who are too lazy to use their left leg and arm to shift gears.Then they find out that the gearbox needs to be connected to the human brain with eyes of someone who knows how to drive to make it work properly in the real world.That’s progress. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

They don’t. They work perfectly well without drivers interfering

Which is contradicted by comments concerning the things being in the wrong gear at the wrong time on the approach to roundabouts etc.Because unlike humans they don’t have eyes connected directly to the gear shift through the human brain and arm and leg.In which case the choice seems to be employ a driver who can drive,not one who can’t,as opposed to an auto box which doesn’t have all the required superior biological kit to do the job properly like a decent driver can regardless.

In which case the obvious flaw in Terry T’s idea is that the type of driver who an auto box is designed for has eyes but can’t drive,so can’t actually tell the blind auto box what to do even though he can see the roundabout or hill ahead. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

youtube.com/watch?v=ve1X9zSloiU

Half the time they are in the wrong gear simply because drivers are driving them badly. Automatics have to be learnt too you know, to get the best from them. The best choice is employ a driver who is up to speed with and a fan of modern technology, he’s the man (or woman) who’ll get the best from your truck.

stevieboy308:
But the new ones have a option that records the topography, so it knows it’s going to crest the hill without dropping the gears and they share info with other trucks with the feature, so a truck can have the data without driving it first.

Called iSee and combined with adaptive cruise control its absolutely spectacular. Volvo are leaps and bounds ahead of the competition in this area. iSee also shares data amongst the fleet so even if your particular truck hasn’t driven that road the terrain map will still be there if other trucks in the fleet have. No imagine what this is like with the new double clutch! Seemless power.

I have two lorries, one has ishift and the other has a 13spd Fuller and of the two the ishift is by far the safer more enjoyable vehicle to drive. Unfortunately my driver has that one and I have the one with the Fuller, I mistakenly gave him the choice of which one he wanted.

It’s always in the correct gear, it downshifts in conjuction with the engine brake giving maximum retardation in the hilly bits and it performs as good as any manual transmission on a snowy mountain or icy road, in some cases even better as the shifts are so fast and so smooth it doesn’t break traction as easily.

So that kind of puts the kybosh on your arguments Carryfast. I’ve been there and done it in both, I also pay the bills and ishift is the best lorry transmission ever made.

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