the maoster:
That ^^^^ is from Dipper Dave’s chastity belt. I’m slightly concerned as to how and why you are in possession of it. Care to share with the group?
You wanna see the belt. It’s got pegs 
“Dipper” and “chastity” are unlikely bedfellows as words go
Do you not feel, as I do, that much of this is down to the blinkered, blind following of ‘the rules’, without thought or deviation?
As I have already said on this forum, I spent 20+ years working for HMPS, delivering to prisons across Britain. At all maximum security, A cat establishments we were always subject to stringent searching procedures and on many occasions I asked:
‘You have just conducted a thorough search of my vehicle, and myself, to which I have no objection. However, you have seen, and had your hand on, an offensive weapon which you have ignored. Furthermore, there is one in every lorry, every taxi and every sweat box (mobile cell vehicle) which comes through this gate which you always ignore, Why?’
‘What’s that?’
‘The fire extinguisher - if I shot it in your face and hit you over the head with it, is that not an offensive weapon?’
Invariably, the response was -
‘Dunno, mate. They said nowt about it in training and it’s not mentioned in the handbook!’
I rest my case…
Steve
Ste46:
Do you not feel, as I do, that much of this is down to the blinkered, blind following of ‘the rules’, without thought or deviation?As I have already said on this forum, I spent 20+ years working for HMPS, delivering to prisons across Britain. At all maximum security, A cat establishments we were always subject to stringent searching procedures and on many occasions I asked:
‘You have just conducted a thorough search of my vehicle, and myself, to which I have no objection. However, you have seen, and had your hand on, an offensive weapon which you have ignored. Furthermore, there is one in every lorry, every taxi and every sweat box (mobile cell vehicle) which comes through this gate which you always ignore, Why?’
‘What’s that?’
‘The fire extinguisher - if I shot it in your face and hit you over the head with it, is that not an offensive weapon?’
‘Dunno, mate. They said nowt about it in training and it’s not mentioned in the handbook!’
I rest my case…
Steve
You’d be surprised (or maybe not) what damage them cons can do with a pencil! A fire extinguisher is nothing that isn’t seen on every wing and corridor. I had one in my classroom for years and it was never touched. I was more worried about the shanks they brought off the wing.
Ste46:
Do you not feel, as I do, that much of this is down to the blinkered, blind following of ‘the rules’, without thought or deviation?As I have already said on this forum, I spent 20+ years working for HMPS, delivering to prisons across Britain. At all maximum security, A cat establishments we were always subject to stringent searching procedures and on many occasions I asked:
‘You have just conducted a thorough search of my vehicle, and myself, to which I have no objection. However, you have seen, and had your hand on, an offensive weapon which you have ignored. Furthermore, there is one in every lorry, every taxi and every sweat box (mobile cell vehicle) which comes through this gate which you always ignore, Why?’
‘What’s that?’
‘The fire extinguisher - if I shot it in your face and hit you over the head with it, is that not an offensive weapon?’
‘Dunno, mate. They said nowt about it in training and it’s not mentioned in the handbook!’
I rest my case…
Steve
There’s a sign on the wall as you approach the security hut at Amazon Dunstable where one of the rules says “no weapons to be brought on site”. This got me thinking, does that include the lorry?
Then I imagined if I did have a machete in the cab. Would I read the sign and think “oh, ok then”, and hand it in? Probably not.
Captain Caveman 76:
Ste46:
Do you not feel, as I do, that much of this is down to the blinkered, blind following of ‘the rules’, without thought or deviation?As I have already said on this forum, I spent 20+ years working for HMPS, delivering to prisons across Britain. At all maximum security, A cat establishments we were always subject to stringent searching procedures and on many occasions I asked:
‘You have just conducted a thorough search of my vehicle, and myself, to which I have no objection. However, you have seen, and had your hand on, an offensive weapon which you have ignored. Furthermore, there is one in every lorry, every taxi and every sweat box (mobile cell vehicle) which comes through this gate which you always ignore, Why?’
‘What’s that?’
‘The fire extinguisher - if I shot it in your face and hit you over the head with it, is that not an offensive weapon?’
‘Dunno, mate. They said nowt about it in training and it’s not mentioned in the handbook!’
I rest my case…
Steve
You’d be surprised (or maybe not) what damage them cons can do with a pencil! A fire extinguisher is nothing that isn’t seen on every wing and corridor. I had one in my classroom for years and it was never touched. I was more worried about the shanks they brought off the wing.
Were you at ‘the big house’ on Hessle Road?
the maoster:
That ^^^^ is from Dipper Dave’s chastity belt. I’m slightly concerned as to how and why you are in possession of it. Care to share with the group?
^^^^^^^^^^^
the main thing that concerns me about that key is the fact that you instantly recognise where it comes from…care to also share with the group? 
Ste46:
Captain Caveman 76:
Ste46:
Do you not feel, as I do, that much of this is down to the blinkered, blind following of ‘the rules’, without thought or deviation?As I have already said on this forum, I spent 20+ years working for HMPS, delivering to prisons across Britain. At all maximum security, A cat establishments we were always subject to stringent searching procedures and on many occasions I asked:
‘You have just conducted a thorough search of my vehicle, and myself, to which I have no objection. However, you have seen, and had your hand on, an offensive weapon which you have ignored. Furthermore, there is one in every lorry, every taxi and every sweat box (mobile cell vehicle) which comes through this gate which you always ignore, Why?’
‘What’s that?’
‘The fire extinguisher - if I shot it in your face and hit you over the head with it, is that not an offensive weapon?’
‘Dunno, mate. They said nowt about it in training and it’s not mentioned in the handbook!’
I rest my case…
Steve
You’d be surprised (or maybe not) what damage them cons can do with a pencil! A fire extinguisher is nothing that isn’t seen on every wing and corridor. I had one in my classroom for years and it was never touched. I was more worried about the shanks they brought off the wing.
Were you at ‘the big house’ on Hessle Road?
No, that’s a takeaway that does a half decent kebab, there is a prison on Hedon Road though.
I did do some work there, but I actually moved around a bit. YO’s were awful, Askham (womens) was interesting whilst Full Sutton was bloody hard work.
All you can do is give your opinion
I would not have given my keys in the first place and never would and never had too
So that means i don’t go to them places
I can’t say it more than i have said before it’s your work place and you are responsible for everything that’ happens so why would you give your keys to a nobody
All i can think is that it is the less experienced people who do this and don’t know any better
Juddian:
For Heaven’s sake lads get out of bloody RDC hell and find another part of transport, let the bugger starve.On the tanks you turn up at the gate, sign in or in most cases just waved through cos your lorries are in there every day of the week, the storeman comes out tells you which silo/inlet and which buttons on the panel to press for filters/valves if not automatic, checks the seal signs your paperwork and buggers off, that’s all the contact you usually have, most of the time you haven’t switched the engine off at all.
Yes my thoughts as well (like you on tanks)
Simply refuse and tell them to bugger off & if enough done that the stupid rules would soon change.
Dodgy Permit:
Simply refuse and tell them to bugger off & if enough done that the stupid rules would soon change.
The problem is, nobody does. I had a 4 hour wait to collect last night, and parked opposite across the yard (and thery’ve changed the rules there too. Now you have to put a suzie lock on even when you’re parked waiting 
). I watched what was going on, and I witnessed literally every driver (a few weren’t asked) hand their keys over, and only 2 appeared to be questioning it… and then handed them over
ezydriver:
Dodgy Permit:
Simply refuse and tell them to bugger off & if enough done that the stupid rules would soon change.The problem is, nobody does. I had a 4 hour wait to collect last night, and parked opposite across the yard (and thery’ve changed the rules there too. Now you have to put a suzie lock on even when you’re parked waiting
A suzie lock while you’re in the waiting area Ezy ■■? Are they scared you might escape or something ■■?
I’m sorry but the powers that be have gone to the extremes of complete and utter stupidity in the UK !!!
I’m all for safety, but this has to be a wind up surely ! Not you Ezy, but the place where you are .
pierrot 14:
A suzie lock while you’re in the waiting area Ezy ■■? Are they scared you might escape or something ■■?
I’m sorry but the powers that be have gone to the extremes of complete and utter stupidity in the UK !!!
I’m all for safety, but this has to be a wind up surely ! Not you Ezy, but the place where you are .
It’s not a wind up mate. They’re deadly serious. I’m just waiting for the day we have to put suzie locks on AND wait outside the cab when we’re paked up across the yard.
The micro management of drivers is insane. Whilst I was waiting for the 4 hours, I saw many breaches of H&S that far surpassed anything they’re trying to control for. For example, a driver pulled forward literally about 2 or 3 ft from the bay so he could close his shutter door on the trailer. He duly gave his keys over, but left his cab door wide open. If his handbrake had failed, or had he failed to apply it, or had anybody released it, he would have had zero chance of escape once he realised his lorry was rolling backward. But it’s ok, because he handed his keys to the ■■■■■■. See what I mean? To safeguard against every possible incident is nigh on impossible. So this particular rule (giving keys to ■■■■■■ when going to shut back doors) needs challenging. Once every now and then, things go too far, and this is an instance in which things have gone too far.
Captain Caveman 76:
Honked:
I think I posted this one before, but I used to work for a waste paper company and we collected out of Kirkham Prison.
The ■■■■ on the gate went through all the questions, I had to provide photo ID too as well as having all my belongings checked.When he got to the phone question, I said it was a fixed phone and I couldn’t turn it off. He was adamant it would turn off or come out so he stomped me back to the cab. He looked every where and asked where is it then? I pointed to the phone buttons on the steering wheel and said you might need some help getting that out.
I like my job sometimes
It’s actually a criminal offence to take a mobile phone into a prison. That ‘■■■■’ was trying to help you.
This is correct, it’s illegal. I assume the person you spoke to was an OSG, and I would liked to of assumed you were escorted around the prison. What Cat Prison was it A,B,C,D? …
Captain Caveman 76:
Ste46:
Do you not feel, as I do, that much of this is down to the blinkered, blind following of ‘the rules’, without thought or deviation?As I have already said on this forum, I spent 20+ years working for HMPS, delivering to prisons across Britain. At all maximum security, A cat establishments we were always subject to stringent searching procedures and on many occasions I asked:
‘You have just conducted a thorough search of my vehicle, and myself, to which I have no objection. However, you have seen, and had your hand on, an offensive weapon which you have ignored. Furthermore, there is one in every lorry, every taxi and every sweat box (mobile cell vehicle) which comes through this gate which you always ignore, Why?’
‘What’s that?’
‘The fire extinguisher - if I shot it in your face and hit you over the head with it, is that not an offensive weapon?’
‘Dunno, mate. They said nowt about it in training and it’s not mentioned in the handbook!’
I rest my case…
Steve
You’d be surprised (or maybe not) what damage them cons can do with a pencil! A fire extinguisher is nothing that isn’t seen on every wing and corridor. I had one in my classroom for years and it was never touched. I was more worried about the shanks they brought off the wing.
In my old nick, I don’t recall any fire extinguishers on the wings…
in the centre yes, most of our wings had hoses … which any officer knows how to use in a cell fire … but, 9/10 the pump never worked and when nozzle was placed through the door fire still raged. …
And, yes the shanks were the worse, but that’s what C&R was for and use of the Baton …
ezydriver:
pierrot 14:
A suzie lock while you’re in the waiting area Ezy ■■? Are they scared you might escape or something ■■?
I’m sorry but the powers that be have gone to the extremes of complete and utter stupidity in the UK !!!
I’m all for safety, but this has to be a wind up surely ! Not you Ezy, but the place where you are .It’s not a wind up mate. They’re deadly serious. I’m just waiting for the day we have to put suzie locks on AND wait outside the cab when we’re paked up across the yard.
The micro management of drivers is insane. Whilst I was waiting for the 4 hours, I saw many breaches of H&S that far surpassed anything they’re trying to control for. For example, a driver pulled forward literally about 2 or 3 ft from the bay so he could close his shutter door on the trailer. He duly gave his keys over, but left his cab door wide open. If his handbrake had failed, or had he failed to apply it, or had anybody released it, he would have had zero chance of escape once he realised his lorry was rolling backward. But it’s ok, because he handed his keys to the ■■■■■■. See what I mean? To safeguard against every possible incident is nigh on impossible. So this particular rule (giving keys to ■■■■■■ when going to shut back doors) needs challenging. Once every now and then, things go too far, and this is an instance in which things have gone too far.
Got to be honest, I don’t have the energy to challenge it.
Don’t you think we might be sinking to their level by claiming that the yard marshal is going to jump in the cab & release the hand brake? It isn’t going to happen & I can’t think of much more of a pointless arguement to get myself involved in.
rob22888:
Don’t you think we might be sinking to their level by claiming that the yard marshal is going to jump in the cab & release the hand brake? It isn’t going to happen & I can’t think of much more of a pointless arguement to get myself involved in.
hear hear!
rob22888:
Don’t you think we might be sinking to their level by claiming that the yard marshal is going to jump in the cab & release the hand brake? It isn’t going to happen
How do you know? For all I, you or anyone else knows, this guy could be hearing the voices.
If this is all about “safety” then surely the keys should be with the person standing between the trailer and the concrete building, not with someone else.
Ok, heres my tuppence worth…All the reasons for not handing over the keys, are excuses…its all taking place on private land, and the owners of that land can lay down any rules they wish…and some have alcohol testing and drug testing too…because its legal on private land, and when you enter that land, you have to comply with their rules. Most places you have to hand in your keys…or put them on a hook at the bay, and theyre then pulled up into their possession…with regard to the back doors…move forward…turn off and lock the cab…then you can keep the keys or hand them over for the 2 minutes its gonna take to close the doors.
Handing over Phones and lighters is a safety requirement normally used in refineries…or where a fire could occur…btw, ever see the idiots at the fuel pumps on their phones…yeah…me too…and i tell them NO Bloody Phones…anyway…when i was on tanker work it was the norm…and yet they allowed you to smoke in a shelter…and they supplied a ciggy lighter…but to be honest, i dont see what the fuss is all about…better to have a stress free life, than worry about whether you have to hand over your belongings or not.
truckyboy:
better to have a stress free life
That would entail staying in my cab while loading, not having to climb up on the catwalk 5+ times per night to put suzie locks on, and being allowed to walk to and from the office without some pest following me and holding my hand.
The blind acceptance of some of these rules is startling. They need challenging, because if not, the natural questions are: what’s next? where will it end? what will be demanded of us 5 years from now? Safety harnesses climbing into the cab? Full length hi-viz with safety hat and glasses at all times everywhere? Head-sets monitoring where our eyes are looking which screech loudly if we haven’t faced forward for 2 seconds or more?
If you put a frog in cold water and gradually turn the heat up, it will sit there and not feel it, but nonetheless it’s in hot water.
truckyboy:
Ok, heres my tuppence worth…All the reasons for not handing over the keys, are excuses…its all taking place on private land, and the owners of that land can lay down any rules they wish…and some have alcohol testing and drug testing too…because its legal on private land, and when you enter that land, you have to comply with their rules. Most places you have to hand in your keys…or put them on a hook at the bay, and theyre then pulled up into their possession…with regard to the back doors…move forward…turn off and lock the cab…then you can keep the keys or hand them over for the 2 minutes its gonna take to close the doors.
Handing over Phones and lighters is a safety requirement normally used in refineries…or where a fire could occur…btw, ever see the idiots at the fuel pumps on their phones…yeah…me too…and i tell them NO Bloody Phones…anyway…when i was on tanker work it was the norm…and yet they allowed you to smoke in a shelter…and they supplied a ciggy lighter…but to be honest, i dont see what the fuss is all about…better to have a stress free life, than worry about whether you have to hand over your belongings or not.
The drivers let it happen, first boots then hi visit, then keys, then driver you can’t sit in cab
Is there no end to it do people get a kick out of been told how to behave and where to sit
All for h/s but there has to be a respectable limit but no the companys make it up as they go, and most of us just follow it for a quite life
