Happy New Year,all the visitors to the trucknet ministry
Surely, we all have a religion as such, even if it is the belief in a work ethic?
I doubt if we’re all on here “trying to save up for our own funerals”, with none of us having any plans for the next century…
Still trying to find the word in the dictionary, sploom?
No pun intended. 
Winseer:
I doubt if we’re all on here “trying to save up for our own funerals”, with none of us having any plans for the next century…
Yeah, sure, we’ve all got plans for the next century ( 
), I’ll be a paltry 140 years old in 2101, not a problem because “I’m gonna live for-ev-ver, I’m gonna learn how to fly (hiiiiigh!)” etc
A Work Ethic isn’t a “religion” because there is no BBOFT, or threats of an imaginary damnation.
Zac_A
About the damnation,how do you feel about justice?
Do you like the idea of justice so long as it’s completley fair?
Winseer:
Surely, we all have a religion as such, even if it is the belief in a work ethic?
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Seriously mate you continue to even surpass yourself with all the drivel you spout.
How tf do you come to that logic.
My work ethic is to do my best and give 100% even if I do work for a bunch of ****s, not because I am particularly conscientious or loyal, but because I do not give them an excuse to boot me off a job that I like doing.
A pretty good work ethic I reckon, but how tf in the bizzare and mysterious mind of Winseer does that resemble a ■■■■ religion or a one that I would be gullible enough to follow.
Please do tell. 
Just to help you…
Sploom:
Zac_A
About the damnation,how do you feel about justice?
I have to reject both elements of that sentence:
There isn’t any “damnation” in the Dante-esque sense of the Nine Circles of Hell. That’s a Fairy Story, it has no more validity than being scared of The Big Bad Wolf when walking through a forest at night.
Sploom:
Do you like the idea of justice so long as it’s completley fair?
I don’t believe “justice” in the poetic sense of the word really exists outside of a theoretical ideal we might strive for, either as individuals or as a society.
Your Biblical idea of “justice” (and other religions ideas of “justice” too) is nonsense, as it would rely on being applicable only to members of your sect, ie those like me who reject your fantasy world would be excluded, despite the things that I might have done to benefit the world I had existed in.
It is crucial not to confuse our “legal system” with “justice”, it deals purely with “The Law”, which can often be ethically/morally wrong, by the standards of the average person.
As far as I can tell, you live your life in a permanent state of low-level fear of this mythical “afterlife”, it sounds like a horrendous existence from my perspective.
switchlogic:
Sploom:
Happy new year,switchlogic.But I think Winseer is a clever man,there seems to ve a veil of mystery about him…
To be fair you do have a history of being easily convinced by total nonsense
Happy new year to you.
The only “Mystery” about me is that I’m a voice crying in the wilderness.
Everyone knows that if a tree falls down in the forest, and no one hears it - “It didn’t make a noise” - right?
I’m hoping I don’t have my head served up on a silver platter should the day ever come when I DO get “listened to” by those that matter…
“I must not be Naive in class”
“I must not be Naive in Class”
“I must NOT be Naive in class.”
Zac_A
Why would I live in fear? The same book that describes the unspeakable horrors of hell also contains this verse
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
You either believe in the whole Bible or you don’t.There is no picking and choosing.
But my question was whether you liked the idea of perfect justice,even though you dont believe it exists,do you like the idea of it?
You are still playing a game of chance Sploomy.
Not all of you God Botherers can be right - make sure you choose the right version of Christianity otherwise you might be stopped at the pearly Gates for having a forged/invalid belief.
You can’t all be right, as you all say 
Still no explanation from Winseer about his bizzare logic and interpretations about work ethic being a religion.
Ahhh …I think he must be ignoring me.
Here’s a bit of my logic and a question…
Is it reasonable to take it as an insult being accused of being religious.
Is it an insult to one’s intelligence.
What the accuser is saying in essence is that you have a child like trait,.whereby you readily believe something that defies pure logic.
Just like a child believing in Santa, or putting his tooth under his pillow for money…he/she actually believe it because they have the logic and understanding of an immature child…being that they actually are one. 
Now me personally as child not only did the above, but I also believed in supernatural beings ‘living in the sky’.
When I grew up (seriously I have ) I thought things through and thought…"Nah not having that’'. on all 3 concepts.
So accusing me of being religious in my view is accusing me of being gullible in an immature and child like way…or am I thinking too much into this.
Now I ain’t knocking people who believe …seriously, because most people have the grace to keep their beliefs private, like some members of my own family, and whether or not they are naive etc, is for themselves to decide, not me,
But the poundshop preachers who feel the need to instil what I see as ridiculous beliefs, and freely admit them,.and who actually broadcast them … as if it is something to boast about, actually do get right up my passage. 
Robroy.
He might not think of it as childlike.I think some people have football as a religion.Hell,they spend more time talking about it than I do about about the Bible,but it doesnt mean I think they are acting as children.God made us to honour and worship Him but when we convince ourselves that He isnt real,we still have the need to worship,so we replace God with something inferior,like football or pop stars,actors,■■■■,alcohol or whatever temporary pleasures the world offers.It’s a very poor exchange.
You say you thought things through but now you have more unanswered questions than before
Proverbs 9:10
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Sploom:
Robroy.
He might not think of it as childlike.I think some people have football as a religion.Hell,they spend more time talking about it than I do about about the Bible,but it doesnt mean I think they are acting as children.God made us to honour and worship Him but when we convince ourselves that He isnt real,we still have the need to worship,so we replace God with something inferior,like football or pop stars,actors,■■■■,alcohol or whatever temporary pleasures the world offers.It’s a very poor exchange.
You say you thought things through but now you have more unanswered questions than before
You are talking utter b/s as usual.
I have zero ‘NEED’ whatsoever to ‘‘worship’’ anything, don’t judge other people’s weaknesses and shortcomings on your own!.
I have adequate self confidence and I am secure in my own way of doing things, …needing to ‘worship’ anything shows severe insecurity in one’s self.
Football is a heavily followed SPORT …not a religion.
It is merely a chosen aspect of life.
Being a fan of football, music or even liking a drink is not an alternative to a religion.
Main difference, all of the former are actually REAL, where as the format and ideology of any religion is superstition and made up fantasy, that easily led people like yourself choose to follow, in various degrees.
From casually following it on one hand, to making it an entire way of life, to the point of bizarrely putting it above your own family on the other.
I have an interest in football and music, I like a social drink, but I do not let any of it literally rule my life, it’s a standing joke in my family that I run my life around Newcastle’s games fixtures, but that is what it is…a joke,.when push comes to shove I know my priorities in life…and I certainly do not put it (or anything else) above my family.
And btw…whatever tf that last post means, it bears no relavance to the discussion, it is just another excuse for you to chuck out random biblical b/s.
Sploom:
Zac_A
Why would I live in fear?
You do, it’s self-evident from your posts, you’re just kidding yourself here.
Sploom:
The same book that describes the unspeakable horrors of hell also contains this verse
None of us are interested in your incessant quotations from the BBOFT
Sploom:
You either believe in the whole Bible or you don’t.There is no picking and choosing.
Only you, CF and Winseer are “believers”, and you do regularly pick and choose, judging from your posts
Sploom:
But my question was whether you liked the idea of perfect justice,even though you dont believe it exists,do you like the idea of it?
I’ve already answered that: Go back and read my previous post again, but read it like a normal, rational person would, not through your Biblical nonsense-language filter, whilst remembering I don’t buy into fantasies and fairy tales, and especially I don’t buy into that nonsensical flowery rubbish so beloved of you irrational people.
I’d rather believe in Zule, Gozer and the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man than your Abrahamic contradictory hippy-clap-trap.
robroy:
Still no explanation from Winseer about his bizzare logic and interpretations about work ethic being a religion.
Ahhh …I think he must be ignoring me.
Nah, he’s just a bit busy right now, crying in the wilderness
Sploom:
Proverbs 9:1010 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Your Bible quote are like Youtube adverts, the more you force them on us, the more we all hate your “product”.
Sploom:
Robroy.
He might not think of it as childlike.I think some people have football as a religion.Hell,they spend more time talking about it than I do about about the Bible,but it doesnt mean I think they are acting as children.God made us to honour and worship Him but when we convince ourselves that He isnt real,we still have the need to worship,so we replace God with something inferior,like football or pop stars,actors,■■■■,alcohol or whatever temporary pleasures the world offers.It’s a very poor exchange.
You say you thought things through but now you have more unanswered questions than before
I think Rob was suggesting that to be “religious” (as demonstrated by you), a person needs to be as naive (gullible) as a very young child. Most of us aren’t that naive (gullible), hence most of us don’t “believe”
Is that straightforward enough? Your BBOFT is for scared, child-like minds.
For most susceptible people, who might in times gone by have succumbed to religion, this has now been replaced by Conspiracy Theories, which, like religion, are equally for people who (a) can’t cope with the reality of the actual world, while (b) needing to feel they are special.
Believing someone is “out-to-get-you” (as CTs believe) implies “you” are somehow special enough and important enough to be “got”.
You, Winseer, and CF are “believers”, you all have a deep-seated need to feel you are important and that you possess knowledge the rest of us don’t have. But I’m sorry to tell you, you’re all suffering from substantial delusions.
Zac_A:
Sploom:
Robroy.
He might not think of it as childlike.I think some people have football as a religion.Hell,they spend more time talking about it than I do about about the Bible,but it doesnt mean I think they are acting as children.God made us to honour and worship Him but when we convince ourselves that He isnt real,we still have the need to worship,so we replace God with something inferior,like football or pop stars,actors,■■■■,alcohol or whatever temporary pleasures the world offers.It’s a very poor exchange.
You say you thought things through but now you have more unanswered questions than beforeI think Rob was suggesting that to be “religious” (as demonstrated by you), a person needs to be as naive (gullible) as a very young child. Most of us aren’t that naive (gullible), hence most of us don’t “believe”
Is that straightforward enough? Your BBOFT is for scared, child-like minds.
For most susceptible people, who might in times gone by have succumbed to religion, this has now been replaced by Conspiracy Theories, which, like religion, are equally for people who (a) can’t cope with the reality of the actual world, while (b) needing to feel they are special.
Believing someone is “out-to-get-you” (as CTs believe) implies “you” are somehow special enough and important enough to be “got”.
You, Winseer, and CF are “believers”, you all have a deep-seated need to feel you are important and that you possess knowledge the rest of us don’t have. But I’m sorry to tell you, you’re all suffering from substantial delusions.
Coincidentally, the three mentioned are also conspiracy theorists.
Sploom, serious question, who wrote the bible?
Star down under.:
Coincidentally, the three mentioned are also conspiracy theorists.
It’s one of the defining characteristics (and this comes direct from guest psychiatrists and psychologists on Radio 4’s “All in the mind” mental health programme) of Conspiracy Theorists that they will simultaneously entertain contradictory conspiracy theories, as long as all the theories involved have the element of “conspiracy”.
So any contradiction between their religion, and a competing CT, is not a problem for their unfathomably tortured mental gymnastics. For example Princess Diana is not dead, vs Princess Diana was killed by MI5/MI6/Scientology’s Space Lizards/ etc etc Not contradictory in the mind of a true CT believer.