A religion question for Robroy,but will he give me a straigh

[robroy]

Sploom:
At the end of the day,I don’t do nights out ,I have done but I found it quite a lonely existance and,OK,we are all different.I remember once,nighting out round about Tunbridge wells,went into a pub,tried to strike up conversation with anyone who was prepared to listen, was so lonely after 3 days without any talking to anyone for 3 days.
At the very least,this forum,if you are around that area where drivers are nighting out,maybe they are happy just sitting in their cabs watching the TV or whatever but maybe they want some conversation,either good or bad,I don’t know,waffling now,too much wine…

Never had a problem with nights out, always saw it as part of the job,.and that daymen just play at it (takes cover) …It’s the saddle tramp cowboy coming out in me … a kind of Clint Eastwood with a Class 1 vibe.
Tbh some daymen will re.coil in horror but nights out were actually one of the reasons I started …after going away with mates as a lad and enjoying the social life they had, …draw your own conclusions

Drivers were not hermits and unsociable ■■■■ s as they are today. in those days.

[winseer]

robroy:

switchlogic:

robroy:
A mild example in my own person case is I managed to influence my two lads into changing their minds from following in my truck driving footsteps., …ie for THEIR own good, not mine ,.and I have been vindicated for it because of the carreer paths they both took instead…(AND I have been thanked for it by both of them since.)
aka ‘Good parenting for the kids benefit’

Sad thing is I get lots of messages from chaps in their 50s/60s and even 70s who avoided becoming drivers for this reason and are now full of regrets for a life not lived. Every one of them had good jobs, some quite high up, but it’s often meaningless in the grand scheme of things. You and I differ quite substantially on this I know, I think it’s a fantastic job if you go out there and grab what you want. It’s a fantastic job approached with the right attitude. Like you I don’t think my parents really wanted me to become a truck driver, them and often teachers thought I could ‘do better’ but thankfully the conversation with my Mum all those years ago now, she said all she wanted from her children is for them to be happy, doing whatever it was that made them happy.She told me to go out there and make myself happy. I’ll be forever grateful for that because my driving career was absolutely [zb] amazing! In no small part because of super supportive parents who let me live my own life.(I’m not for a second saying you’re a bad parent tho)

Sorry, but off topic

Nah that’s fine, I do see your point Luke.
As I said both my lads are happy in the trades they chose, and are more or less at the top of their respective trees, and happy as pigs in sh making loadsamoney.

As a parent you have to do what you think is right at the time for your kids .and I stand by my actions.

If they had shown the same determination as I did I would have reneged and let them go on to be drivers., .in fact when I think back my mechanic son took his apprenticeship with a recovery co and failed his rigid rest, so maybe I can only take part credit (or blame depending on how you see it.)

My ex driver Dad also tried to talk me out if it, he got me fixed up with an engineering apprenticeship ,.after doing quite well in school, but being the stubborn headstrong [zb] I.am, I did it but packed in on completion and went driving.

I started when the job was actually good, the days of total freedom, .and tbf I have had some bloody good times doing it on the tramping side, but looking back I should have listened to my Dad…If I had I could have been one of those guys you speak to,.who knows.

Given the chance again, I would have stayed in engineering, or at one time around 20/21 I went for a med to join up and passed it for the RAF Regiment, (which is like the Army of the RAF if you like,.) as I had a good mate in there at the time …but I backed out kast minute, because of one of my main weaknesses…I met a girl.

So as I say.as for doing what I thought was best for my boys…no regrets,.I’d do the same again

I would have stayed in engineering, or at one time around 82/83 I went for a med to join up and passed it for the RAF Communications Officer, as I had a good mate in there at the time …but I got backed out last minute, because of one of my main weaknesses…I met a foreign girl.

[robroy]

^^^^^^
Nah… dont get the joke nor the implication, although I am sure there must be one of each in there somewhere …
Have another go.

(If you think you must .)

There ain’t enough hours in the day to.try and get to the level to suss out and decipher how your bizzare,.enigmatic ■■■■ mind works mate.

[winseer]

That was just my way of saying “Something similar happened to me, once upon a time…”

The bold type - are the bits that fitted what happened to me edited over your original text, pretty much describing what seemed to be a reflection of a similar experience by yourself…

The experience shifted my planned-out future away from Military/Science towards the more hum-drum world of Civi Street, and getting a HGV licence, something that I hadn’t actually planned for the future in the RAF that didn’t happen in the end…
Like most lads, I had dreams of “Fighter Pilot” leading onto “Astronaut” back in the early 80’s…
Once January 1986 happened though - that was it for “me and space”, or rather the entire human race & space… No progress made towards the Stars since.

I had passed the medical, and had been forwarded to the final stages of entry as communications officer - only to get my application blocked at the last minute, when it emerged that I was dating a German bird I’d met in Spain during the summer of 1982. I guess NATO saw that as a “security risk”…

During that dreadful year of 1985, I re-invented myself, got on-line, and quickly developed the screen name “Winseer”, which I have been using ever since.
Remember BBC Micros and Demon Modems?

[robroy]

Ok fair enough, I apologise.
I thought you were having some kind of a pop/■■■■ take.

Usually anything said on here about me is usually water off a ducks back, but when you referred to what I thought was MY Mrs as ‘‘foreign’’, (being that she is Dutch) , that is what ■■■■■■ me… any derogatory reference about her, usually never ended well for those who have said it in the past (in real life ) …but as I said I picked you up wrong.
So job sorted.

[sploom]

Getting back to topic,did they find the ark?
dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech … flood.html

It’s very exciting but notwithstanding the inevitable technical questions that will come,I don’t need extra proof that God exists,just living being is such a gift,the gift of life we experifnce every day,how would I dare to question His existance.Not a day goes by ,I look on wonder how God saved me,through His Son,Jesus Christ.Looking back at my catholic upbringing ,did all the conformation,communion,confession!,then in the school playground,in the pub,nightclubs what a foul mouth I had and bitterness ,all that,god saved me from to make me a new creation,still a sinner,but battling sin every day,every time it strikes,there is a spiritual battle going on and I am promised victory in the end.
Jeremiah 29:13
13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

[whisperingsmith]

Thought For The Day:

Deuteronomy 23:1 — New Living Translation (NLT)
“If a man’s testicles are crushed or his ■■■■■ is cut off, he may not be admitted to the assembly of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 23:1 — The New International Version (NIV)
No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 23:1 — King James Version (KJV 1900)
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord.

[the_nodding_donkey]

Sploom:
Getting back to topic,did they find the ark?
dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech … flood.html

It’s very exciting but notwithstanding the inevitable technical questions that will come,I don’t need extra proof that God exists,just living being is such a gift,the gift of life we experifnce every day,how would I dare to question His existance.Not a day goes by ,I look on wonder how God saved me,through His Son,Jesus Christ.Looking back at my catholic upbringing ,did all the conformation,communion,confession!,then in the school playground,in the pub,nightclubs what a foul mouth I had and bitterness ,all that,god saved me from to make me a new creation,still a sinner,but battling sin every day,every time it strikes,there is a spiritual battle going on and I am promised victory in the end.
Jeremiah 29:13
13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

I love how they found a bit of mountain, shaped like a sailing boat hull, and want to make us believe it was a boat that survived a flood 5000 years ago…

A long, narrow hull shape, is perfect for a (fast) moving boat, that you want to steer. Not so good for a massive floating warehouse, that only needs to stay afloat, in adverse weather conditions, with a vast cargo onboard.

There is not a single mention in the fairytale, of Noah adding either sails, or a motor, (or indeed a rudder…) to his floating warehouse. Now, before you start waffeling again, without a sail, or a motor, you can not steer a boat. A boat shaped like that outline on the mountain, would have broached or caught beam on, and sank, within a day.
Trust me on this, there are several thousand years of hands-on ship building experience, backed up by scientific understanding, that explain how different shapes of boat hull behave in water, and how the movement of that hull through the water, is affected by the water itself (waves, current, and the wind), and the means of propulsion and rudder.

Boats are build for a specific purpose, and for that, other considerations are discarded.
A fast sailing boat is sleek, and compromised for internal (living) space.
A big Cargo ship wide and deep, and is slow and ■■■■■■■■■■■

Next…

[whisperingsmith]

The King James version of the New Testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England.

There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8,000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.

The King James translators used none of these, anyway. Instead, they edited previous translations to create a version their king and Parliament would approve.

So, 21st Century Christians believe the “Word of God” is a book edited in the 17th Century from 16th Century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th Century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st Century.

That’s not faith. That’s insanity.

[carryfast]

whisperingsmith:
The King James version of the New Testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England.

There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8,000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.

The King James translators used none of these, anyway. Instead, they edited previous translations to create a version their king and Parliament would approve.

So, 21st Century Christians believe the “Word of God” is a book edited in the 17th Century from 16th Century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th Century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st Century.

That’s not faith. That’s insanity.

It’s actually written to suit the word of an adulterous murderer.Who set himself up as the head of his own church to suit his ideas regarding marriage vows and ‘caring’ for a ‘wife’.When not murdering any opposition from the clergy as was the usual MO of the invading Franco Norman regime since at least Thomas Beckett.
Your point being what bearing in mind you obviously have no issues with the ‘issues’ of Islam.My bet is that you didn’t say the same thing to your Islamic mates.

[robroy]

Carryfast:

whisperingsmith:
The King James version of the New Testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England.

There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8,000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.

The King James translators used none of these, anyway. Instead, they edited previous translations to create a version their king and Parliament would approve.

So, 21st Century Christians believe the “Word of God” is a book edited in the 17th Century from 16th Century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th Century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st Century.

That’s not faith. That’s insanity.

It’s actually written to suit the word of an adulterous murderer.Who set himself up as the head of his own church to suit his ideas regarding marriage vows and ‘caring’ for a ‘wife’.When not murdering any opposition from the clergy as was the usual MO of the invading Franco Norman regime since at least Thomas Beckett.
Your point being what bearing in mind you obviously have no issues with the ‘issues’ of Islam.My bet is that you didn’t say the same thing to your Islamic mates.

Carryfast,.why do you see everything as an either or scenario, not only are you creating an Islam v Christian argument,.you are now going down a a Protestant v Catholicism route.
You chucked the same argument at me, …with no grounds whatsoever.
Why do you see all this as a competion, a bit like a Utd v City argument between 2 groups of football fans?

Do you not get it?..
Ok I’ll reiterate what most lateral thinking non fantasist realist people, ie non believers, atheists… (or ‘infidels’ if you want to keep referring to Islam) thnk about ALL religions and their beliefs.

ALL religion is pure preposterous and ridiculous fantasy ,.with some good stories chucked in…(a bit like Rupert Bear in fact. )
A concept that has no place in a modern society,.where otherwise rational people are level headed,.cynical and educated…especially when 99% of the ridiculous theories that go with it can be dispelled with science, which is suitably ignored by the more outlandish amongst you all.

Whether you support one or the other, or cherry pick a different one, is totally irrelevant.

We seem to have gone back to page 1 of the argument btw, but there ya go.

[sploom]

Robroy.
It sounds like you are advocating peace between the different religions and that’s a good thing but all these religions belive the others are going to hell.This is the underlying problem and the reason these arguments have gone on for hundreds of years.
Saint Cyprian,a catholic bishop from the 3rd century stated that there is no salvation outside of the catholic church.And the muslims believe only they are saved,as I understand it.And the Christian fundamentalists,we don’t believe the way to Heaven is by praying to Mary or the saints.It says in the book of deutronomy not to try and contact the dead
Deuteronomy 18:11 ►

or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.

[star_down_under]

Here’s something for you to ponder, Carryfast.

[robroy]

Sploom:
Robroy.
It sounds like you are advocating peace between the different religions and that’s a good thing but all these religions belive the others are going to hell.This is the underlying problem and the reason these arguments have gone on for hundreds of years.
Saint Cyprian,a catholic bishop from the 3rd century stated that there is no salvation outside of the catholic church.And the muslims believe only they are saved,as I understand it.And the Christian fundamentalists,we don’t believe the way to Heaven is by praying to Mary or the saints.It says in the book of deutronomy not to try and contact the dead
Deuteronomy 18:11 ►

or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.

It sounds like that does it?
Well no I wasnt, if I was advocating anything it would be for people like you to stop.perpetuating all this primitive stuff by constantly advocating it and passing it down to consecutive generations.

What you have just said proves one thing,.without religion the world would be a much more tolerant and peaceful place.

My post was addressing Carryfast (which I will no doubt regret )
Anyway why tf do I keep banging away trying to talk sense into someone who admits that he thinks more of his religion than his own children,.and can not see anything wrong with that.

[star_down_under]

robroy:

Sploom:
Robroy.
It sounds like you are advocating peace between the different religions and that’s a good thing but all these religions belive the others are going to hell.This is the underlying problem and the reason these arguments have gone on for hundreds of years.
Saint Cyprian,a catholic bishop from the 3rd century stated that there is no salvation outside of the catholic church.And the muslims believe only they are saved,as I understand it.And the Christian fundamentalists,we don’t believe the way to Heaven is by praying to Mary or the saints.It says in the book of deutronomy not to try and contact the dead
Deuteronomy 18:11 ►

or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.

It sounds like that does it?
Well no I wasnt, if I was advocating anything it would be for people like you to stop.perpetuating all this primitive stuff by constantly advocating it and passing it down to consecutive generations.

What you have just said proves one thing,.without religion the world would be a much more tolerant and peaceful place.

My post was addressing Carryfast (which I will no doubt regret )
Anyway why tf do I keep banging away trying to talk sense into someone who admits that he thinks more of his religion than his own children,.and can not see anything wrong with that.

As per the old adage, Robroy; you can’t put brains in a monument.

[sploom]

Robroy.
I chuckled a little when I see you used the word religion instead of Jesus Christ,ah,sploom thinks more of his RELIGION than his own family.Why didnt you quote the Bible verse accuratley?
Because you wanted to show me in a bad light,of course.
If I was to put my wife and children above Jesus Christ,that means I would have to bow down and worship them.Do you do this with your children?
I mean,I would not have wanted my parents to love me more than God.That would be idolatry and would mean they wouldnt get to heaven.

1 Timothy 6:16 ►

who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

You dont know God .You dont know the character of God.If you see God,you would die.Nobody can see God and live.The only path to God is through Jesus Christ.

[robroy]

Sploom:
Robroy.
I chuckled a little when I see you used the word religion instead of Jesus Christ,ah,sploom thinks more of his RELIGION than his own family.Why didnt you quote the Bible verse accuratley?
Because you wanted to show me in a bad light,of course.
If I was to put my wife and children above Jesus Christ,that means I would have to bow down and worship them.Do you do this with your children?
I mean,I would not have wanted my parents to love me more than God.That would be idolatry and would mean they wouldnt get to heaven.

1 Timothy 6:16 ►

who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

You dont know God .You dont know the character of God.If you see God,you would die.Nobody can see God and live.The only path to God is through Jesus Christ.

Nah you manage well enough yourself to put yourself in a bad light mate.

And you do talk utter tosh, do not try and justify your short comings and embarrasment…(and if you ain’t embarrased you should be btw,) by playing with words and totally ridiculous analogies either.
I ain’t the one that is in question mate, my conscience as a family man is totally clear, I’ve already told you I put my wife and family over anything or anybody, as most blokes do , if I did not I’d be ashamed to even admit it.

And ffs stop aiming Bible quotes to me in order for you to compensate for your lack of relevant grown up debate skills.

[sploom]

Robroy .
This website isn’t a court of law to determine whether I have treated my famiky correctly or whether I am a terrorist or a danger to other people and so on.Its a trucking forum!But here’s a thing.You ask yourself why you keep coming back to this thread.Maybe God is doing a good work in you and your heart is unsettled until you get this thing dealt with.After all,this is what we parayed for when I was in the states and I mentioned you to the pastor.But God has always answered my prayers up to now,so long as the request is honourable.Even this is promised in the Bible.
Matthew 7:7-8

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Of course I want you to be saved.You think I want you to burn in hellfire for all eternity?
Because God has opened my eyes to the reality of this.This isn’t me boasting about anything.I dont have anything only God has given me and not deserved at that.
But if God is doing a good work in you,which I think He might be,there is no turning back.

Philippians 1:6
KJ21
being confident of this very thing, that He who hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the Day of Jesus Christ.

If you go into any Bible believing church ,whether baptist,southern baptist,evangelical,if you ask those believers if they can renounce their faith,you will get the same answer,absolutley not.
John 10:28-30
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will ■■■■■■ them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can ■■■■■■ them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

[robroy]

■■■■ unreal.

You have deffo got far too much time on your hands and very little going on in your life to take the time to concern yourself about me…a bloke you have never met,.and only spoke to on a forum.

Don’t concern yourself about me mate, I’m confident, I’m happy,.and I’m totally secure with my situation in life, without having to have an emotional crutch to turn to like a concept of pure fantasy…and as I said my wife and family are paramount over everything.
So spend your time dealing with your own numerous short comings,.and insecurities instead.

[sploom]

Ok,Robroy.
Sorry,I got a bit carried away there…