Zac_A
I dont know anywhere in the Bible or even in my own Christian circles where someone has been saved and declared Jesus as their lord and saviour and then aftetwards turned away from the faith.Indeed this fact is Biblical
John 10:28-30
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will ■■■■■■ them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can ■■■■■■ them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are
whisperingsmith:
Sploom:
Jeremiah 32:40
I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me.I thought you didn’t follow the Old Testament anymore - that what God said then has changed - or is it just the bits that don’t fit your Trumpian/USA fundamentalism ■■
Yes,we do follow the old testament,for example,thats why we believe in the death penalty,but this is describing the new covenant
Sploom:
Just think,when we die and we are all asssembled on that final day of judgement,how painful will it be for the unsaved to look at their eternal fate knowing they had a solution,they had a saviour,Jesus Christ who took the penalty for all the sins of mankind,but you rejected Him,you didnt want it.y0
Wow! You’re really wasted this afternoon, Mr Mackey has some safety information for you
Zac_A.
I answered your question about the moon landings,ok
Sploom:
Yes,we do follow the old testament,for example,thats why we believe in the death penalty,but this is describing the new covenant
So you just pick and choose what suits the elders or your marketing team??
Sploom:
these rules were the old covenent,Jesus replaced these old rules with the new covenent.
Talking about your wife seducing you to be a Born Again, I guess you would love it if Jesus impregnated one of your daughters or even your missus. There don’t seem to be any reports of Joseph complaining that God shagged his wife.
Looks like a fun bloke your Jesus:
Sploom:
Zac_A
I dont know anywhere in the Bible or even in my own Christian circles where someone has been saved and declared Jesus as their lord and saviour and then aftetwards turned away from the faith.
Probably because you’re not actually British and are about 23 years old and living with your parents in Alabama, or Mississippi, or some other ■■■■■■-redneck state like that, hence you have no ability to relate to the real world.
My ex-wife became a born-again Christian, she even made a big stink to anyone she could get to listen about how I shouldn’t be teaching our children that evolution was factual, she dragged the kids off to church for bible lessons and had them baptised without even asking if that was ok with me.
When her father died of Covid, the bible-bashing stopped immediately.
Christian = Hypocrite
I’m just wondering if this has ran it’s course.
To sum up…
Sploomy is that far gone he is totally away with the fairies on Planet God, so all the ridicule insults and rational people trying to talk some sense into him is never going to have any effect…I fear for his mental state tbh,and I mean that in the friendliest way possible.
When he eases off the mentalist stuff, he comes across as a decent enough guy,.but then he reverts quickly back to religious lunatic as if he has been prompted to live up to his image when the Bible stuff comes out. 
…maybe his Mrs is standing over him at the keyboard with the whip…he did mention the word ‘■■■■■■■’ before…maybe that is how he gets off,.a bit of spousal ■■■■■■■■■■. 
He’ll answer anything you ask (if he chooses) mainly in meaningless drivel Bible speak, …but anything he finds uneasy (and when he knows he is going to show the true harmful colours of his neo evil regime) , he clams up…the question about his kids is a classic example of this.
That is my synopsis of him for what it’s worth.
So basically unless he starts answering some awkward questions it has become a progress cul de sac, not to mention a bit boring., 35 pages ffs !
If he fesses up about his kids lifestyle and temperament, then maybe we will have something to go on and carry on the conversation.
So maybe time to just shake our heads in amazement at his servile gullibility, and just let him get on with his peculiar lifestyle, and call it a day I reck.
I take it on myself btw to suggest it as it was me he initially addressed .
Anybody?
Its not about me or my kids,Robroy,where you will spend eternity.Now is the acceptable time to make that choice,but nobody can do it for you.Only you can decide.
Sploom:
Its not about me or my kids,Robroy,where you will spend eternity.Now is the acceptable time to make that choice,but nobody can do it for you.Only you can decide.
Ffs let it go man.
What is it with you concerning me.?..you are sounding desperate.
I’ve made it crystal what my choice is…to live as good and as happier life as I can because we.are long time DEAD. 
I’m still.feeling sorry for your kids btw.
I hope they manage to see sense and break away the psychological shackles that you have locked them in to.and start to live a full and normal young person’s life…
And I hope for their sakes that none of them ever come out as gay, as it will be out of the religious frying pan into the fire of bigotry.and abandonment.
Dont worry about my kids.They are either saved or dont discuss the subject at all but the difference with you is you are prepared to keep talking about it even past the point where others have walked away.Ive got friends that will talk to me about anything but religion.But you stand out because,although you reject it ,you seem willing to keep discussing it,and I think that gives me hope.
But I am hoping you will be saved ,at least,after the tribulation,where it will be harder to be saved but not impossible but I cant talk about that subject yet because I havent studied it enough and I would leave myself open to scrutiny if I havent done my homework first.It’s part of the Bible that I havent studied enough
Sploom:
Dont worry about my kids.They are either saved or dont discuss the subject at all but the difference with you is you are prepared to keep talking about it even past the point where others have walked away.Ive got friends that will talk to me about anything but religion.But you stand out because,although you reject it ,you seem willing to keep discussing it,and I think that gives me hope.
So what about ‘Zac’ and ‘Mr Smith’ who whispers then?
They are as willing to discuss it as I am… ,.and to answer your questions as to why we have no religion nor feel the need to have,.because of feeling secure and confident about ourselves.
Unlike yourself who is not quite as confident and secure,.and who is selective as to what you answer,…because it is obvious to us that it is too uncomfortable ,.maybe even embarrassing, to admit your shortcomings,.particularly with your kids upbringing style…Even though it was YOU who sparked off the debate in the first place. …not us.
Those guys come across as being very hostile to me,so no matter what I say,they attack me personally even implying that I would cause harm to others.
You havent done this,but you do have a policy of avoiding certain things too,for example ,the moon landings paradox.You left that to one side
Sploom:
Those guys come across as being very hostile to me,so no matter what I say,they attack me personally even implying that I would cause harm to others.
You havent done this,but you do have a policy of avoiding certain things too,for example ,the moon landings paradox.You left that to one side
Firstly it isn’t a ‘paradox’ in this context (nor any other actually) it’s an ‘analogy’.
I did not enter into it as I thought it was a silly example,.and I wasnt sure how it was relevant…
) I believe Hitler escaped from Berlin …, but if I provide what I see as evidence to someone who does not believe that ,.and he then provides evidence to ‘prove’ Hitler died in his bunker…that ain’t enforcing beliefs on one another, that is purely a diffrreing and alternative opinion.Where as you regularly avoid certain questions because you know they will implicate youin some way or show up your cult in it’s TRUE way.
If we met in a pub we could more than likely tell each other about our families,.I have already told you of mine quite freely, but you avoid telling me of yours.
All I can imagine rightly or wrongly that there is a good reason for this, namely you are embarrased…so you come out with a lame assed ■■■■ poor excuse and cop out…
‘They have not given me permission’
So why is this?..I would imagine you have more than likely forced your religion and ideals on to your kids,.so we can establish none of them will be living with their girlfriends/boyfriends as this is bizarrely ‘sinful’ in your eyes.
So then (and Ihope this is not the situation) .they are presumably married to the strict 17th century style terms of your cult,.
Maybe one could be trapped in a loveless marriage that they can not get out of,.as they are shackled by you to the outdated and ridiculous terms of your lifestyle religion.
Maybe even one is feared to come out as gay …and I bet that bit sure as hell offends you,.where as if any of mine came out I would still love them the same…and why would I not?
So we can only speculate based on how you come across on here.
So here is another opportunity to redeem yourself as a good parent despite your shear lifestyle of restrictive religion,.because I assume we are all thinking the same way here.
So just go with me on this scenario fir a minute.
We are back in the pub,.I’m sat drinking a pint with one eye on the tv football,.
I’ve just handed you your glass of Merlot 69,.I carry on the general and harmless conversation about families,
.I’ve told you very proudly all about my kids and their lifestyle choices, jobs etc…,.I takes gob full of Ruddles Smooth,.and say…
‘So Sploomy mate, what about your kids’’
Do you say…‘‘Sorry Rob, it’s a crowded pub,.everybody can hear, and my girls/boys have not gave me permission to divulge their details’’
So a speechless Rob knocks his beer back thinking nutter alert… and says…’
‘Just going to the khazi bud’’ and slips out of the back door walking to next pub or truck, thinking…‘‘What a strange ■■■■ bloke , lucky escape there, he.d have been throwing bible quotes to me next while I was trying to watch the football’’
So up to you mate whether you want to carry on the debate you started or not, but until you answer my question it is a conversational cul de sac as far as I see it…and I have won. 
Over to you.
The thing about the moonlanding ,Im accused of brainwashing but I dont understand why it doesnt work the other way round.
I dont know what the big deal is about the kids.If they were to fornicate then I cant stop them doing that but Im sorry to be stubborn about it but I cant start writing about them on a public forum.There is nothing spectacular to see there.
As for fornication,its not in anyones intrests.Most children have parents that have split up by the time they get to secondary school.It wasnt like that when I was that age.
But the idea of moving in with someone,getting a mortgage,having children without a marriage agreement ,that would be no good to me at all.OK,it can happen in a marriage but like I said,scripture says the husband must love his wife as much as his own body,so if he is following that command,how can the marriage end up loveless?
In an atheist ,living together situation,whats to stop the guy going off with a more attractive woman if she becomes available? And ruin peoples lives in the process?
Your naivety knows no bounds mate.
Take the blinkers off and Start living in the real world, you are just making yourself look stupid to those who do not share your bizzare views.
Absolutley true,
1 CORINTHIANS 1:18
KJ21
For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who perish; but unto us who are saved, it is the power of God
Sploom:
Absolutley true,1 CORINTHIANS 1:18
KJ21
For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who perish; but unto us who are saved, it is the power of God
Ahh the default tactic move of meaningless ■■■■ bible quotes when the truth is pointed out to him.
At least you got the ‘absolutely true’ bit right about your naivety .
Cheers for that admission at last.
