Kate:
Ok… As a professional driver, I wouldn’t dream of taking a picture with anything other than a hands free device…Therefore I have committed no offence.
Photo info shows it was taken with a Nokia 6303i Classic, hands free?
Wheel Nut:
Common sense has gone out of the window on this thread
Paging Happy Keith, Happy Keith to this thread please. Gratuitous use of the phrase “Common Sense” needs your attention. 
Could be in a handsfree carrier and just pressed the button , like you would still have to select a contact and press dial with a perfectly legal handsfree voice kit,
Ok, I can see some of you are bored now, so lets shoot the OP for something she hasn’t done…
I have re-read all my posts in this topic, and maybe I’m just thick, but I cannot see anything that even insinuates that I took the photo, with or without a hands free camera…
I don’t even own a Nokia phone.
So I see something, somebody else takes a picture. How does that make me guilty of an offence of any description.■■?
Oh, wait, …It doesn’t 
Kate:
Ok, I can see some of you are bored now, so lets shoot the OP for something she hasn’t done…I have re-read all my posts in this topic, and maybe I’m just thick, but I cannot see anything that even insinuates that I took the photo, with or without a hands free camera…
I don’t even own a Nokia phone.
So I see something, somebody else takes a picture. How does that make me guilty of an offence of any description.■■?
Oh, wait, …It doesn’t
Are you still double manning on that left ■■■■■■ Kate? 
That is scandalous - and so are some of the opinions of others in this thread . I’m not a saint - I’ve worked for some of the more flamboyant Irish hauliers over the years and may have broken more rules than I care to think about .
How the hell did he ever get that load out past a security guard with out straps/ chains on it ? I remember running round a Corus site on the A14 ( Corby ?) and having to go and buy straps and chains to get a load of steel H beams out the gate . I even had to go to a garden center to buy covers to get it out the gate .
I have tanker / high load / meat rail experience but no way would I even consider taking that load out a gate with one ■■■■■■■■ it . Defensive driving techniques will only take you so far - one idiot cutting you up and swerving across 2 lanes of a motorway to make an exit slip is all it would take or some idiot on a roundabout not taking the exit you thought he was going to and sharp braking would have that all over the road .
Those with experience of steel say that 3 straps / bundle is needed here I don’t disagree but I would want at least 4 or 5 if I had them - to be honest I’d put every strap I had in the box on it .
Over the past 2 years they have been replacing the sections of deck on the Tappan Zee bridge, each section is about 60 ft long and about 12 ft wide, each weighs about 100 tons and the are carried on special trailers to a compound at Sloatsburgh NY before being taken down to the bridge at night. During transport they hold up about 4 miles of traffic because the police think it is unsafe for then to drive over any bridge faster than 5mph. They used to actually take them over the Tappan Zee first which created a line of slow moving 40 ton trucks moving at 5mph across the entire 3 miles of the bridge. Now I am fairly sure a few hundred 40 ton trucks moving at 5mph across a bridge considered to be weak is a lot more harmfull than a 100 ton dead weight.
As for the coment about ‘It weighs 70 tons, it isn’t moving’ that does ring true for some things, the photo shows an abviously top heavy machine tipped over, a low, heavy load thats not shiny steel etc will not move under normal conditions. I used to carry bricks from MK to Bridgewater, the bricks were banded in blocks as in the norm, we just put a fly sheet over the loads to stop dust and the odd brick falling out, we never even put a rope over the loads and drove like hell on mostly ‘B’ or single carriageway 'A" roads and in 1 year never lost a single brick.
well it does look like a load that just left the port of Naples and me i would have put 3 to 4 chains over it , but the strap looks as though its in the right place, so who took the photo if they are so worried why not phone the police before so many kids get sliced . ah so what you want us to do kill the driver even though his load didnt move. i like veal
The Pallet line Hub at Birmingham by the airport runway,you have an area to secure the load,and security give you a warning leaflet,to say about VOSA and Health and Safety regs to secure the load prior to leaving the depot.
’ A disgrace to our profession’ your dead right it’s a disgrace that stuff like this keeps being posted and other fellow ‘professional’ people jump on the band wagon whether the load is safe or not none of you know the reasons as to why this driver took this load on the road. Before you all start ‘I would of told em I weren’t takin etc’ we all know in the real world sometimes you just do t have that option.
Simon
Mike-C:
Kate:
Ok… As a professional driver, I wouldn’t dream of taking a picture with anything other than a hands free device…Therefore I have committed no offence.Photo info shows it was taken with a Nokia 6303i Classic, hands free?
I’ll back this up.
Owned
Mike-C:
Kate:
Ok… As a professional driver, I wouldn’t dream of taking a picture with anything other than a hands free device…Therefore I have committed no offence.Photo info shows it was taken with a Nokia 6303i Classic, hands free?
Which proves diddly, EXIF can be faked.
ThrustMaster:
Mike-C:
Kate:
Ok… As a professional driver, I wouldn’t dream of taking a picture with anything other than a hands free device…Therefore I have committed no offence.Photo info shows it was taken with a Nokia 6303i Classic, hands free?
Which proves diddly, EXIF can be f aked.
All you have to do is right click > save image > then go to the image properties and see for yourself.
Sam Millar:
ThrustMaster:
Mike-C:
Kate:
Ok… As a professional driver, I wouldn’t dream of taking a picture with anything other than a hands free device…Therefore I have committed no offence.Photo info shows it was taken with a Nokia 6303i Classic, hands free?
Which proves diddly, EXIF can be f aked.
All you have to do is right click > save image > then go to the image properties and see for yourself.
Which still, tells you nothing as EXIF data can be altered very easily, tons of Freeware, Shareware or paid for programmes out there to do it. You can even change basic stuff such as camera make and model directly in Windows Explorer.
You don’t have to save the image to see it. In Firefox I can just right click an image and choose FXiF Data (Firefox exIF) and see the basics.
Sam Millar:
ThrustMaster:
Mike-C:
Kate:
Ok… As a professional driver, I wouldn’t dream of taking a picture with anything other than a hands free device…Therefore I have committed no offence.Photo info shows it was taken with a Nokia 6303i Classic, hands free?
Which proves diddly, EXIF can be f aked.
All you have to do is right click > save image > then go to the image properties and see for yourself.
For the benefit of the people who are thicker than a whale omelette…
EXIF data means ■■■■ all…look at the image properties now.
Looks like Kate was stopped behind laughing boy at a set of lights and snapped him without any risk to anyone.
ThrustMaster:
For the benefit of the people who are thicker than a whale omelette…EXIF data means [zb] all…look at the image properties now.
How good is the iPhone 6?
Mad Si79:
’ A disgrace to our profession’ your dead right it’s a disgrace that stuff like this keeps being posted and other fellow ‘professional’ people jump on the band wagon whether the load is safe or not none of you know the reasons as to why this driver took this load on the road. Before you all start ‘I would of told em I weren’t takin etc’ we all know in the real world sometimes you just do t have that option.Simon
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There is NO excuse for running a load like this. Maybe you’d take a unit with no brakes beacuse the big bad boss man told you too?
wonder what people would of been saying if a sheet had come off??
joe public would have fingers pointing and sadly its people like that driver who got all those stupid rules and regs we have now…
" No need to strap that son it wont move " used to hear that one all the time
times have changed and you can be prosecuted for an insecure load before it comes off.
It’s all very well saying I could move that anywhere any distance and it would not move but
you cannot anticipate the emergency stop or simply the situation where traffic comes to a halt
unexpectedly. Also the truck will be negotiating junctions and roundabouts where the weight
of the load can shift sideways.
A couple of years ago a well known scottish company were hauling metal drilling pipes from Aberdeen
to central scotland , they were able to load about a dozen 30cm pipes per flat bed arctic some of the
drivers were putting one strap accross the middle of the load. One morning just after 8 am one of the trucks had to brake suddenly in heavy traffic that just came to an complete stop for no apparent reason ,
I am sure we have all had that happen to us in rush hour traffic.
The guys load of metal pipes moved forward and then back ending up
hanging about 3 meters off the back of the trailer, he was flashed to pull over and ignored all signals by
other road users to stop. The load could have gone through the cab.
A few miles down the road he was pulled over by a police car on the M73 southbound.
" No need to strap that down son it wont move "
Are some of you lot just ■■■■■■■ pigheaded or would you really take a load like that out on
the road 