I was just wondering………………is it me, or are there more loads lost and trailers tipped over than ever before??
I haven’t seen 20-30 years ago so many loads lying on the road than in the last 10 years.
And that time it was a load more roping and sheeting, I drove already a couple of years before I seen the first ratchet straps. (Spanbanden as the Dutch say)
We thought it was the dog dangly bits, but hey up to than we managed with rope, or gravity.
The tilts helped a lot of you had enough (wooden) boards, but further it was careful driving.
At home we transported wine casks, only secured with wedges and the top tied with a rope, my Granddad did it, my Dad did it, and the only one who would give problems where the empty barrels.
And in more than 30 years in transport I didn’t lose one load, not even had it hanging in the side, and I did ferry work, steel, hanging, coils, wire reels liquids, powders, containers, long, wide, high and heavy.
But I drove it like it was my own, had respect for the load, wasn’t afraid of it.
But my guess why some many loads get shifted of the truck on roundabouts is because we trust that this piece of woven fabric holds our load in place.
Like we believe that ABS and ESP get us out the brown stuff when the brown stuff hits the fan.
People drove and drive without all these aids without getting into trouble, for years we had steel springs, brakes that would overheat, an engine brake that made a lot of noise but was hardly effective, and tires that you couldn’t always trust.
But we anticipated on that, we where ready, we would read the road and the other users.
We know we couldn’t trust that little piece of rope holding the load on, we know we couldn’t trust the brakes on a slippery surface and had to go slower.
But if I see nowadays how people fly around corners, roundabouts, swerve on motorways because they are to busy to play with their radio, hands free phone or anything else, and don’t even think about their load, their brakes and what if it doesn’t work??
If you had a firm tug on you ■■■■■■■■ every time a device in your truck saves you more or less, a lot of people would walk like John Wayne.
caledoniandream:
I was just wondering………………is it me, or are there more loads lost and trailers tipped over than ever before??
I haven’t seen 20-30 years ago so many loads lying on the road than in the last 10 years.
And that time it was a load more roping and sheeting, I drove already a couple of years before I seen the first ratchet straps. (Spanbanden as the Dutch say)
We thought it was the dog dangly bits, but hey up to than we managed with rope, or gravity.
The tilts helped a lot of you had enough (wooden) boards, but further it was careful driving.
At home we transported wine casks, only secured with wedges and the top tied with a rope, my Granddad did it, my Dad did it, and the only one who would give problems where the empty barrels.
And in more than 30 years in transport I didn’t lose one load, not even had it hanging in the side, and I did ferry work, steel, hanging, coils, wire reels liquids, powders, containers, long, wide, high and heavy.
But I drove it like it was my own, had respect for the load, wasn’t afraid of it.
But my guess why some many loads get shifted of the truck on roundabouts is because we trust that this piece of woven fabric holds our load in place.
Like we believe that ABS and ESP get us out the brown stuff when the brown stuff hits the fan.
People drove and drive without all these aids without getting into trouble, for years we had steel springs, brakes that would overheat, an engine brake that made a lot of noise but was hardly effective, and tires that you couldn’t always trust.
But we anticipated on that, we where ready, we would read the road and the other users.
We know we couldn’t trust that little piece of rope holding the load on, we know we couldn’t trust the brakes on a slippery surface and had to go slower.
But if I see nowadays how people fly around corners, roundabouts, swerve on motorways because they are to busy to play with their radio, hands free phone or anything else, and don’t even think about their load, their brakes and what if it doesn’t work??
If you had a firm tug on you ■■■■■■■■ every time a device in your truck saves you more or less, a lot of people would walk like John Wayne.
I do have to agree with Frans on this one. I have been blaming double decker trailers and more traffic, but we still had high loads, queues and busy roads because they were narrower. If you read any of my threads you will never see me pushing for the 40mph limit being raised. 40 is fine, if you want to drive faster you take that risk, not everyone is capable of driving any faster.
I hate people who report “dangerous situations” but don’t do anything about it.
We have enough such a people in the industry who write a 3 pages report of you not wearing your safety glasses, but let you carry on doing your job with strong acids, only to show the boss that they caught you (I was them honestly forgotten) instead of pointing it out to you and than make the report.
The rules for safe working are:
Make it safe, remove the danger
And after that report.
This bit caught my eye earlier, if this does happen, you are approached by a health and safety bloke who has been to university and failed his driving test, he then walks across the acid soaked floor in a dark suit and Hush Puppies.
Maybe I preferred straps on Kates load in case someone with less roadcraft had to deliver it.
I followed a Curtainsider (think it was CG) on Monday at stupid o-clock down the A14 from Felixstowe and the back door was flapping like ■■■■■ on this trailer. Nearly ■■■■ myself as I got close to it, how the ■■■■■ the driver didn’t see or hear it was beyond me. I blew the horn, flashed my lights and about 3 miles later he eventually pulled up into a layby, wow, I was scared ■■■■■■■■■
As for this load, if it was me I’d have called this company concerned, hands free of course asap.
jimboy124:
This photo shows how to strap a few IBC containers down at a promo show at a German truckstop.
Think they Container have 1.00 Meter to 1.20 Meter and 1000kg each.
So you could load 26 of them.carried such Loads for over 20 year and non moved yet.
but,before discussing.i know many driver who also never had a Pallet or Container moving,during i know a few which had.I even know one where the Load came on the frontend out and Straps were not strong enough to hold that weight by a Head-on collission.Slip-stopper eften more helpfull then too many Straps.
If you go to Italy near a port,Cararra or Verona you will see Lorry carrying Rocks of 10000 kg without a single Chain,but,ok,from time to Time may anything happen.especially if you drive like an (edited) unaware of the danger of your load.
Its all about feeling.
Bulldozer Driver dont make a Flield or Place flat without the sence of Bottom,as lifting the Shield or lowering by Knowledge wouldnt work.
Also Racingdriver feel the Gravity with ther Bottom,to get the right Speed around Bends,and thats also lorry driver who feel whats the lorry is doing.but some dont feel anything at all,i know.
problem with that load is some clown made a total arris of baling it. Can’t really tell what a load of round bales like that will do until its on the move and then its too late. Trailer looks a bit ropey though.
chicane:
problem with that load is some clown made a total arris of baling it. Can’t really tell what a load of round bales like that will do until its on the move and then its too late. Trailer looks a bit ropey though.
it is not a proper farmer because he has got a light board on the trailer
I’ve just sat here and read through all SIX pages of replies to Kates photo. Well that will be 15 mins of my life I won’t be getting back!
At the end of the day, this ■■■■■ in the truck is putting people’s (inc his own) lives at risk by pulling this load without resraint of some form. That being straps or chains. Weight and gravity just aint enough. Yes he might be driving in such a manner that the load won’t move but what happens when the unexpected happens? A blow out when he’s at speed? The idiot that joins from a slip road and makes him slam on beacuse the cars almost under the front bumper? We’ve all been driving along professionally as some ■■■ does something totally stupid and makes the HGV driver take avoiding action.
As for who took the photo, does it REALLY matter or are some people just try to move the point of this thread away from the prick that failed to do his job properly?
From what I have read, I can’t help thinking that the driver of the truck might just be an author of one of the replies on here. I think the whole issues boils down to some drivers being lazy. Whats so wrong with spending the extra time to ensure the load won’t fall off and poss kill someone?
I’ve only been driving C+E for a year and mainly it’s steel plate/round bar or pre-cast concrete that I’m moving. The steel is chained everytime I’m allowed to use them or LOADS of straps and plastic corner protectors when I’m not. The precast is strapped at a ratio of 1x 5t strap per 2.5t load min. I had a load to go to Glasgow last week and when I thought I had finished strapping I stood back and thought it MIGHT not be enough so another FOUR straps went over it. Better safe than sorry.
At the end of the day, you can’t use too many restraints (unless the load can be damaged) but you can def use too few. Why take the risk?
After saying all that, lets see what the replies are?
Paul Gloria Meadows:
I’ve just sat here and read through all SIX pages of replies to Kates photo. Well that will be 15 mins of my life I won’t be getting back!
At the end of the day, this ■■■■■ in the truck is putting people’s (inc his own) lives at risk by pulling this load without resraint of some form. That being straps or chains. Weight and gravity just aint enough. Yes he might be driving in such a manner that the load won’t move but what happens when the unexpected happens? A blow out when he’s at speed? The idiot that joins from a slip road and makes him slam on beacuse the cars almost under the front bumper? We’ve all been driving along professionally as some ■■■ does something totally stupid and makes the HGV driver take avoiding action.
As for who took the photo, does it REALLY matter or are some people just try to move the point of this thread away from the prick that failed to do his job properly?
From what I have read, I can’t help thinking that the driver of the truck might just be an author of one of the replies on here. I think the whole issues boils down to some drivers being lazy. Whats so wrong with spending the extra time to ensure the load won’t fall off and poss kill someone?
I’ve only been driving C+E for a year and mainly it’s steel plate/round bar or pre-cast concrete that I’m moving. The steel is chained everytime I’m allowed to use them or LOADS of straps and plastic corner protectors when I’m not. The precast is strapped at a ratio of 1x 5t strap per 2.5t load min. I had a load to go to Glasgow last week and when I thought I had finished strapping I stood back and thought it MIGHT not be enough so another FOUR straps went over it. Better safe than sorry.
At the end of the day, you can’t use too many restraints (unless the load can be damaged) but you can def use too few. Why take the risk?
After saying all that, lets see what the replies are?
I cant agree more with all the comments made on this board against drivers not taking reasonable care in securing their loads, and authorities not enforcing this to happen.
chaversdad:
that looks like its been loaded in the west mids somewhere, if its where i,m thinking how did he get out of the gate like that
I guess it’s not where you’re thinking, as there is no gate… Off the weighbridge and onto the road, but you are right, it was in the midlands.
I will just say, this load was NOT loaded on a Tata site.
Oh, and the tractor unit was a hire motor…The O/D concerned now has another unit as his previous motor met with an unfortunate ending …
i use the word gate loosely, i meant how did he get off site, theres only a handful off places that load would have come from banded and cut like that and i dont know how he got out of any of them
chaversdad:
that looks like its been loaded in the west mids somewhere, if its where i,m thinking how did he get out of the gate like that
I guess it’s not where you’re thinking, as there is no gate… Off the weighbridge and onto the road, but you are right, it was in the midlands.
I will just say, this load was NOT loaded on a Tata site.
Oh, and the tractor unit was a hire motor…The O/D concerned now has another unit as his previous motor met with an unfortunate ending …
chaversdad:
i use the word gate loosely, i meant how did he get off site, theres only a handful off places that load would have come from banded and cut like that and i dont know how he got out of any of them
Possibly loaded out of multiple bays, so not strapped until complete is not unusual for this place… Pull up onto weighbridge where only the front of the unit can be seen by the weighman, collect notes, and drive off the bridge as there is no barrier, one lorry length to the road…Nobody to question the driver on the way out
The picture was taken below the museum with the Birmingham New road running across the front of him, chip shop to his right…less than 10 minutes from where he loaded.
Lovlyperson:
Its all about feeling.
Bulldozer Driver dont make a Flield or Place flat without the sence of Bottom,as lifting the Shield or lowering by Knowledge wouldnt work.
Also Racingdriver feel the Gravity with ther Bottom,to get the right Speed around Bends,and thats also lorry driver who feel whats the lorry is doing.but some dont feel anything at all,i know.
Yeah, thats very true, rally driver gets feedback through the steering wheel and chassis as to where the wheels are and what they’re doing.
But I’d rather secure a load properly and not feel the load slamming through the back of the cab!
Losing a plate off might not be too dangerous for the driver, but can you imagine being sat in a car as this truck pulls up at the lights and aplate sliding off into your car. There is a real risk of death/very serious injury.
