we need a mass couple of sick days to show our dis satisfaction as the race to the bottom has been on for sometime.
People are finally starting to notice that the United States of Europe are only for the well off and sod the little guy
dan dare:
Too many east euros. That will be a fair rate for them. The problem is “whats a good rate for them is a bad rate for us”.
Tis correct.
Bking:
Just been reading a question about pay rates at Fowler Walsh.So I read they are paying less than 8 pound an hour for night rate .Jesus.I am a truck mechanic,work nights,bank holidays,5 nights sun to thursday 15 quid an hour.
Drivers where I work (different company) 13.50 (roughly)per hour,shares,6 months sick with pay,discount on company product,etc.(bleat like fuuu.)Is this the norm or is it Fowler Welsh?
A bit of honesty is what you ask, may I ask that as well?
Do you know what they are paid in the bank after a month (or their P60) ?
Its not always what it seems, its depending on bonusses, extra payments etc. salary structures are different for every company.
We have drivers who have an hourly rate of nearly £12,- an hour and they have a lower P60 than drivers who get paid substantial less as hourly rate, but have other benefits that make it worth to do the job.
I dont really understand all that Willy waving about salaries, i’m still waiting on the first thread where the poster will say “I have substantial less than them”
By the way don’t feel ashame about it, it’s typical British, never seen it anywhere else in the world.
starfighter:
Eg a Monday to Friday day driver doing 0400-1400.Forty hours basic = £300
Ten hours o/t = £112.50
Fifteen hours dark money = £33.75=£446.25 before government theft.
I wouldn’t do 50 hours a week for that money. And I certainly wouldn’t get up at silly o’clock for it!
Same old ■■■■, thick as ■■■■ lorry drivers that always think their worth more than whats on offer… One of the reasons this country is in the ■■■■ is because the “working class”, want to live like “middle class” yet arent prepared to go out and gain the skills required to get a job that pays for them to have the lifestyle they want!
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Roymondo:
starfighter:
Eg a Monday to Friday day driver doing 0400-1400.Forty hours basic = £300
Ten hours o/t = £112.50
Fifteen hours dark money = £33.75=£446.25 before government theft.
I wouldn’t do 50 hours a week for that money. And I certainly wouldn’t get up at silly o’clock for it!
Why not?
That averages out at just under £9/hr, don’t think thats too bad.
Henrys cat:
Roymondo:
starfighter:
Eg a Monday to Friday day driver doing 0400-1400.Forty hours basic = £300
Ten hours o/t = £112.50
Fifteen hours dark money = £33.75=£446.25 before government theft.
I wouldn’t do 50 hours a week for that money. And I certainly wouldn’t get up at silly o’clock for it!
Why not?
That averages out at just under £9/hr, don’t think thats too bad.
Just another idiot that thinks he’s worth more than actually is, but its ok though atleast he can stay in bed and keep what he thinks is his pride and be proped up by the state, unlike our east euro friends that will do what ever it take to put food on the table…
You can’t knock the employers if the mugs will take the 7 odd for nights then more fool them. It’s the same with the subbies on Fwc, some are on a carp day rate where they can tek the ■■■■ whilst some are on job rate where you can make a shilling.
Yes, I’m pretty sure I’m worth more than that. By any definition I certainly am worth as much as I think I am, because that’s how much my employer pays me (and my co-workers, some of whom are paid significantly more than I am). Surely the only true indicator of an employee’s “value” is what his employer is prepared to pay him?
Propped up by the state? (Note - three Ps in “propped” 
) Don’t think so - I’ve had hardly a day out of full-time employment since I left school in 1975 (I would say no days at all, but I think I was actually signing-on for a week in early 1976). If my job disappeared tomorrow I’d go straight out and find another, probably at a higher salary (but maybe not as undemanding or rewarding). But I certainly would not restrict myself to only HGV/Driving/Transport jobs “because that’s all I know” (or think I am capable of).
Oh - and we did have some Eastern European drivers a year or three back, but I think they have all (except one) moved on or gone back home. Good for them.
Roymondo:
starfighter:
Eg a Monday to Friday day driver doing 0400-1400.Forty hours basic = £300
Ten hours o/t = £112.50
Fifteen hours dark money = £33.75=£446.25 before government theft.
I wouldn’t do 50 hours a week for that money. And I certainly wouldn’t get up at silly o’clock for it!
I wouldn’t want to either but there are many drivers doing so. The point I was trying to make was flat rate wages take the ■■■■ out of the employee. Weekends and nights should attract extra, as should working over 40 hours. But it’s ok because plenty of blokes will look at it and say “max out my hours, that’s another £75 a week, four nights out at £25 a night is another £100. So I’ve got a £500 week job.” Working all hours, plus a part time job as unpaid security guard for the trailer at night and ignoring the ■■■■ hourly rate.
Saaamon:
Henrys cat:
Roymondo:
starfighter:
Eg a Monday to Friday day driver doing 0400-1400.Forty hours basic = £300
Ten hours o/t = £112.50
Fifteen hours dark money = £33.75=£446.25 before government theft.
I wouldn’t do 50 hours a week for that money. And I certainly wouldn’t get up at silly o’clock for it!
Why not?
That averages out at just under £9/hr, don’t think thats too bad.
Just another idiot that thinks he’s worth more than actually is, but its ok though atleast he can stay in bed and keep what he thinks is his pride and be proped up by the state, unlike our east euro friends that will do what ever it take to put food on the table…
Some here who would think you an idiot for having a sense of ones own self worth.
There will be many a driver “propped up by the state” because we now have a system which rewards an employer for paying a crap wage namely the working tax credit.
And yes our friends “will do whatever it takes to put food on the table” and that kind of ethic came by way of real hardship.
My question is who put the piranhas in with the guppies?
Did you invite this friend to lunch? I know I didn’t.
jamdoms:
Saaamon:
Henrys cat:
Roymondo:
starfighter:
Eg a Monday to Friday day driver doing 0400-1400.Forty hours basic = £300
Ten hours o/t = £112.50
Fifteen hours dark money = £33.75=£446.25 before government theft.
I wouldn’t do 50 hours a week for that money. And I certainly wouldn’t get up at silly o’clock for it!
Why not?
That averages out at just under £9/hr, don’t think thats too bad.
Just another idiot that thinks he’s worth more than actually is, but its ok though atleast he can stay in bed and keep what he thinks is his pride and be proped up by the state, unlike our east euro friends that will do what ever it take to put food on the table…
Some here who would think you an idiot for having a sense of ones own self worth.
There will be many a driver “propped up by the state” because we now have a system which rewards an employer for paying a crap wage namely the working tax credit.And yes our friends “will do whatever it takes to put food on the table” and that kind of ethic came by way of real hardship.
My question is who put the piranhas in with the guppies?
Did you invite this friend to lunch? I know I didn’t.
Employers don’t have this never ending pot of money that some people think, owning a business is a risk so although the owners earn far more they so rightly should otherwise they mite aswell become a employee.
We need to be part of europe end of and the influx of east europeans has given this country the wake up it needs!
Bking:
I am a truck mechanic…15 quid an hour
I saw our local Volvo dealer was advertising for fitters. Called in, seen the big cheese. All good, when could I start? What’s the rate, I ask. £8 summit an hour. I nearly choked. As I got up to leave the guy started explaining “time an a half after 40 hours…”.
Only polite thing I could say was, “my current basic is more than your overtime rate, thanks, bye”.
dan dare:
Too many east euros. That will be a fair rate for them. The problem is “whats a good rate for them is a bad rate for us”.
It would be good rate for them if they lived in East Europe. But they live here, they buy food in the same shops you do, they buy petrol in the same garages that you do, they pay the same taxes and NI as you do and they don’t bring electricity in buckets with them on the ryanair flights.
Why do you think that eithere someone who live here just as you do, or someone who travels back home and keeps two households - one back there, and one renting a room in shared accomodation here - should be expected to pay less than you?
orys:
dan dare:
Too many east euros. That will be a fair rate for them. The problem is “whats a good rate for them is a bad rate for us”.It would be good rate for them if they lived in East Europe. But they live here, they buy food in the same shops you do, they buy petrol in the same garages that you do, they pay the same taxes and NI as you do and they don’t bring electricity in buckets with them on the ryanair flights.
Why do you think that eithere someone who live here just as you do, or someone who travels back home and keeps two households - one back there, and one renting a room in shared accomodation here - should be expected to pay less than you?
Agree with that, well most of it.
We have a few eastern euro drivers at my place, and, tbh, they are ok. Ive chatted to a few of them, and the main difference between them and us is thier lifestyle. Alot of them will rent a 3 bed house and it’s not un common to find 6-8 of them living in it.
Thier main aim seems to be to earn as much money as possible to send home.
£10 over here, is worth £30 back in thier country.
Bking:
Retired Old ■■■■:
Would bking like to send me an application form?Well I am a bit of a ■■■■■ so if you got the where with all I am very flexible but after 40 years of crap I dont come cheap,I dont live to work I work to live,and if you got a pretty wife or daughter well Im your man!
Give me a bell!
And Im good at what I do!
RSVP at your leisure ■■
Actually I was hoping your boss would take me on. I could do with a few days a week at your rates to supplement my state pension after 50 years working for next to nothing for the good old British road transport industry!
I think it has bugger all to do with some kind of class envy. (working class wanting to emulate middle class without acquiring the skills)
Put simply, If I am in charge of potentially half a million quid’s worth of vehicle and load, in a job classified by the insurance industry as a high risk occupation (there is more potential risk for loss of life than most other jobs) where I am expected to manage my legislated driving time and have a higher standard of driving skills than joe public, why the hell should I do it for less than someone who stacks shelves in a supermarket? (I’ve done that job too rather than sign on)
Try telling someone who works at a firm of accountants that he is expected to sleep at his workplace all week for an extra 25 quid a night.
Our job is essential to the country. we are worth every penny we earn and more. the only reason we don’t earn more is that for every person who refuses to work for crap money there is someone out there who will. (perhaps one of those who don’t think they’re worth any more and don’t want others to think they are aspiring to be middle class without gaining the qualifications)
what a load of ZB.
Saaamon:
jamdoms:
Saaamon:
Henrys cat:
Roymondo:
starfighter:
Eg a Monday to Friday day driver doing 0400-1400.Forty hours basic = £300
Ten hours o/t = £112.50
Fifteen hours dark money = £33.75=£446.25 before government theft.
I wouldn’t do 50 hours a week for that money. And I certainly wouldn’t get up at silly o’clock for it!
Why not?
That averages out at just under £9/hr, don’t think thats too bad.
Just another idiot that thinks he’s worth more than actually is, but its ok though atleast he can stay in bed and keep what he thinks is his pride and be proped up by the state, unlike our east euro friends that will do what ever it take to put food on the table…
Some here who would think you an idiot for having a sense of ones own self worth.
There will be many a driver “propped up by the state” because we now have a system which rewards an employer for paying a crap wage namely the working tax credit.And yes our friends “will do whatever it takes to put food on the table” and that kind of ethic came by way of real hardship.
My question is who put the piranhas in with the guppies?
Did you invite this friend to lunch? I know I didn’t.
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Employers don’t have this never ending pot of money that some people think, owning a business is a risk so although the owners earn far more they so rightly should otherwise they mite aswell become a employee.
We need to be part of europe end of and the influx of east europeans has given this country the wake up it needs
Also I have been awake to the problems the influx of East Europeans and greater integration have caused, not a simple issue or a single issue either, but I know is it ain’t working in my favour and in this great democracy of ours I still have the right to say NO!
And so do many others