LandyLad:
Hello there Carryfast.
I can’t understand why you keep referring to me as somebody whose views are contra to yours.
I do not disagree at all with you that private insurance against sickness or unemployment etc is a good thing.
I think that here in the UK we have a nanny state where most people have been hoodwinked into thinking that they have little responsibility for their own lives and that the state owes them a living and they dont have to input anything into society and sod everyone else.
I do have a right to an opinion against the benefit scroungers as I have paid into the tax and NIC pot since 1970, year after year and have become unemployed only in the last month. I am living off my savings and working on re-skilling myself. I wont be out of work for much longer now and I wont have taken a penny from the state via benefits.
Here is where we may have a difference of opinion though.
I think that we do need some form of basic level Health Service which is free at the point of delivery. This is for practical reasons, because if I were to start having a heart attack, I would not want the ambulance or doctor to wait a day or so to process my paperwork before starting to treat me.
Back to where I think we agree.
Nothing at all wrong with private insurance approach to healthcare, unemployment benefit, accident cover. Nothing at all wrong with it and I think more people should be encouraged to use it.
Yes I would advocate sterilisation for some people.
Yes I would make people work for their state benefit handouts.
If somebody has 2 kids when they cant afford to feed/look after them then we shouldnt pay for them to have any more. Not one penny more.
No I am NOT a commie. I detest the doctrine.
The state should get its nosey little face out of our lives and let job and wealth creators get on with generating jobs and wealth.
Why should an employer be made to pay
NIC
Sick Pay
Maternity pay
Paternity pay
Adoption pay
■■?
NIC - Why should an employer pay a Tax to employ somebody■■? Crazy!!
I dont know why either.
Why is it the responsibility of an employer to pay for somebody to have a baby?
If the state thinks that those things are ‘God given rights’, then the state should manage and pay for them.
One way or another every single cost that we incur throughout our lives from cradle to grave has to be passed back into the economy through the price charged for our labour/services wether that be as an employee or as self employed.
The present commie social security and NHS system is just a big scam set up by the government to subsidise employers by making people (think) that the whole over priced zb system covers them for more than it actually does.
As to your comments ‘why should an employer pay’ then who the zb is going to pay if the employer,or a self employed worker,doesn’t by then passing that cost on back into the economy through prices
.
The only difference between what I’m saying and what we’ve already got is that ‘all’ of the ‘real’ costs should be accounted for and costed into the economy by way of prices for labour,goods and services.Not by way of taxes and all of those costs wouldn’t be charged on the basis of the present zb system of so called state provided income protection ‘insurance’ and NHS etc etc in which we’re subsidising employers profit margins by accepting cheap rate cover,paying taxes to fund someone else’s costs,and in which we’re getting zb value for money on the services that the state does provide anyway in exchange for the amount of tax that we’re paying for the privilege,when private cover can do the job better with no need for anyone like you to be checking on what the other person might or might not be claiming for on their policy,because if it’s private it’s got zb all to do with you.

It’s also no surprise to see that the most extreme right wingers are actually just really socialists when it suits them just as in ■■■■ Germany and as in the case of pick and choose and lets keep the NHS because of some red herring old tat about emergency medical procedures under a private insurance funded scheme.It’s just that as with all socialists they are more interested in making judgements about each other and in which each person keeps a check on the others.
The fact is if it’s decent cover the hospital will have all the required information to hand from your ID which determines which hospital you’ll get taken to at the point of first attendance and what you’re covered for.In just the same way as when you go to the states for a 6 week or more holiday,with the unlimited private medical cover that,if you’ve got any sense,you’ll have got in place before you go,and that (was) also an accepted essential part of the cost of living and procedure for all Americans (before Reagan gave all of their jobs to the Mexicans and the Chinese) all of their lives not just for 6 weeks or so.In just the same way that pets here often get better treatment at the vets than people do in an NHS hospital assuming that their owners have taken out decent medical cover.
No ifs no buts no get outs if we’re going to rid of the whole zb’d up mess then it’s got to be all or nothing.