£50 per hour ?

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
41

stevieboy308:
I don’t know if he’s intelligent or not, but I do know he’s a sponger.

His claim about what he’s doing is no worse than people submitting exspence claims is wrong, its the misuse of expense claims that he should be using as his comparable

If everyone was like him then the 10 per hour would be the last thing on everybodies mind

I have gone my whole life not scrounging off the govt and wish I had been wiser, During winter 97 when I was laid off show work for a few weeks I signed on unemployment but did a day or two a week and like a fool I informed the DSS of every bit of work I did and got nothing. It was my concience that forced me to be honest. Likewise when I was made redundant from Fed Ex I got a very nice pay off, I could have claimed 75% of my wages for one year but like a fool I took job for half the money and lost that right.
Take whatever you can get, you have earned it. Be thankfull you live in a country where you can get such pay outs because believe me … you are not gonna find them anywhere else matey. I wish I had the same system in this robbing, money grabbing country that doesn’t give a toss for anyone who is not a millionaire, that forces a working man to go bankrupt and loose his home if he is taken seriously ill and then tells you sorry, we don’t cover your cancer or we don’t cover your heart disease, or sorry your insurance comany say’s you are already ill so they will not allow your treatment.
Be thankfull you liv in ‘Real’ democracy where you can get the benifits you need and not a sham of a country where the only ones who can get in to power are the mega rich who don’t give a toss about you except when they want your vote.

42

Pat Hasler:

stevieboy308:
I don’t know if he’s intelligent or not, but I do know he’s a sponger.

His claim about what he’s doing is no worse than people submitting exspence claims is wrong, its the misuse of expense claims that he should be using as his comparable

If everyone was like him then the 10 per hour would be the last thing on everybodies mind

I have gone my whole life not scrounging off the govt and wish I had been wiser, During winter 97 when I was laid off show work for a few weeks I signed on unemployment but did a day or two a week and like a fool I informed the DSS of every bit of work I did and got nothing. It was my concience that forced me to be honest. Likewise when I was made redundant from Fed Ex I got a very nice pay off, I could have claimed 75% of my wages for one year but like a fool I took job for half the money and lost that right.
Take whatever you can get, you have earned it. Be thankfull you live in a country where you can get such pay outs because believe me … you are not gonna find them anywhere else matey. I wish I had the same system in this robbing, money grabbing country that doesn’t give a toss for anyone who is not a millionaire, that forces a working man to go bankrupt and loose his home if he is taken seriously ill and then tells you sorry, we don’t cover your cancer or we don’t cover your heart disease, or sorry your insurance comany say’s you are already ill so they will not allow your treatment.
Be thankfull you liv in ‘Real’ democracy where you can get the benifits you need and not a sham of a country where the only ones who can get in to power are the mega rich who don’t give a toss about you except when they want your vote.

A lot on here Pat seem to think there hard done by, living in an evil dictatorship with fewer options than a chap in Ethiopia. :laughing:

43

Pat Hasler:

stevieboy308:
I don’t know if he’s intelligent or not, but I do know he’s a sponger.

His claim about what he’s doing is no worse than people submitting exspence claims is wrong, its the misuse of expense claims that he should be using as his comparable

If everyone was like him then the 10 per hour would be the last thing on everybodies mind

I have gone my whole life not scrounging off the govt and wish I had been wiser, During winter 97 when I was laid off show work for a few weeks I signed on unemployment but did a day or two a week and like a fool I informed the DSS of every bit of work I did and got nothing. It was my concience that forced me to be honest. Likewise when I was made redundant from Fed Ex I got a very nice pay off, I could have claimed 75% of my wages for one year but like a fool I took job for half the money and lost that right.
Take whatever you can get, you have earned it. Be thankfull you live in a country where you can get such pay outs because believe me … you are not gonna find them anywhere else matey. I wish I had the same system in this robbing, money grabbing country that doesn’t give a toss for anyone who is not a millionaire, that forces a working man to go bankrupt and loose his home if he is taken seriously ill and then tells you sorry, we don’t cover your cancer or we don’t cover your heart disease, or sorry your insurance comany say’s you are already ill so they will not allow your treatment.
Be thankfull you liv in ‘Real’ democracy where you can get the benifits you need and not a sham of a country where the only ones who can get in to power are the mega rich who don’t give a toss about you except when they want your vote.

Hmm, a sobering thought indeed. :frowning:

44

Colliers are just your typical fur coat nae knickers lot. Fair dos their tippers look amazing but that dont pay a mortgage.

45

We’ve had governments for many years now that abuse people who try to play things straight.

Yes, it could be said that I’m doing what the government wants me to do. I also gave up smoking, something else that the government wanted me to do. I also don’t drive a 4x4 or let my wife work, because it’s something the government wants me to do…

I’d much rather be a millionaire haulier like Bill Stobart, but the only way to be a millionaire these days is to START as one. I don’t have enough years left alive to start from the botton all over again, which is what is execpted of you with all those false claims of “working hard=success” which is what we were always force-fed whilst I went to school in the 70’s & 80’s.

The government guns for the middle nowdays, so you either jump up out of range (bignobs claiming expenses, and freeloading from the taxpayer) or you duck out of range (manipulate your income, so you get as little taken away as possible, whilst being just low enough to get what you’re entitled to)

I’m neither labour or tory - just a personal capitalist. Back in January of this year, I made the same mistake as others, picking up odd shifts and declaring it. I lost so much money in January that I vowed I’d never do that again. It’s Flat out for the week, or sit out for the week for me now!

As of This Week, people like me have to work 25 hours (averaged) instead of the previous 16 hours to get the same tax credits.
The bar has been raised, so now more than ever working 50 hours on, week off pattern over a 4 week rolling period is now a necessity more now than ever before… The raising of the personal tax code will also help me out, because it encourges me to up my gross earnings from about £10k to about £15k for this coming year. There’s nowt “sponging” or “lazy” about it.
This is all about tax credits rather than JSA or that denizen of REAL spongers - the “incapacity benefit”. If I were to take a right-wing shot at THAT, then I would have a Logan’s Run style “Carousel” for anyone on “Incapacity Benefit” for over a year who’s not visibly missing an actual body part! . Pah! Bad backs, twisted ankles, hurt feelings, human rights constructive dismissal etc. - my arse! - don’t get me started! :angry: :imp:

As for Tax Credits paid for I thought from taxes actually paid by oneself in the first place, then surely the public should wise up to the simple concepts of earning a nominal amount instead of cramming for the taxman, because the bar keeps getting moved by successive governments.

If you’re told 90p=keeping it all, or £1= a smack in the mouth then it is clearly crass stupidity combined with obsolete working class pride that will have anyone electing for the “smack in the mouth” option I would have thought. :open_mouth:

46

well done winseer, i wish i could use the system the same as you,like you though i will not work for less than £10 per hour true some days im sat at home but not many the agency asks me to go into firms paying from £6.50 but i always say no and they always come back with more.

47

Winseer:
We’ve had governments for many years now that abuse people who try to play things straight.

Yes, it could be said that I’m doing what the government wants me to do. I also gave up smoking, something else that the government wanted me to do. I also don’t drive a 4x4 or let my wife work, because it’s something the government wants me to do…

I’d much rather be a millionaire haulier like Bill Stobart, but the only way to be a millionaire these days is to START as one. I don’t have enough years left alive to start from the botton all over again, which is what is execpted of you with all those false claims of “working hard=success” which is what we were always force-fed whilst I went to school in the 70’s & 80’s.

The government guns for the middle nowdays, so you either jump up out of range (bignobs claiming expenses, and freeloading from the taxpayer) or you duck out of range (manipulate your income, so you get as little taken away as possible, whilst being just low enough to get what you’re entitled to)

I’m neither labour or tory - just a personal capitalist. Back in January of this year, I made the same mistake as others, picking up odd shifts and declaring it. I lost so much money in January that I vowed I’d never do that again. It’s Flat out for the week, or sit out for the week for me now!

As of This Week, people like me have to work 25 hours (averaged) instead of the previous 16 hours to get the same tax credits.
The bar has been raised, so now more than ever working 50 hours on, week off pattern over a 4 week rolling period is now a necessity more now than ever before… The raising of the personal tax code will also help me out, because it encourges me to up my gross earnings from about £10k to about £15k for this coming year. There’s nowt “sponging” or “lazy” about it.
This is all about tax credits rather than JSA or that denizen of REAL spongers - the “incapacity benefit”. If I were to take a right-wing shot at THAT, then I would have a Logan’s Run style “Carousel” for anyone on “Incapacity Benefit” for over a year who’s not visibly missing an actual body part! . Pah! Bad backs, twisted ankles, hurt feelings, human rights constructive dismissal etc. - my arse! - don’t get me started! :angry: :imp:

As for Tax Credits paid for I thought from taxes actually paid by oneself in the first place, then surely the public should wise up to the simple concepts of earning a nominal amount instead of cramming for the taxman, because the bar keeps getting moved by successive governments.

If you’re told 90p=keeping it all, or £1= a smack in the mouth then it is clearly crass stupidity combined with obsolete working class pride that will have anyone electing for the “smack in the mouth” option I would have thought. :open_mouth:

Very interesting and fairplay. :grimacing: The goverments only got itself to blame for this stupid system. The welfare state will implode soon i believe as it’s way out of hand and too much of a free for all. In the mean time grab what you can. :grimacing:

48

How can anyone be so naive to think that tax credits paid to them come out of the tax they have paid, they are getting tax credits due to low earnings , hence paying very little tax, so the rest of us are paying their tax credits,

49

I think all benefits should go.
I have a friend from school who’s never worked a day in his life.
He makes me sick sometimes out every weekend. Even his dads reverted to calling him a bum. But his younger brothers worked from the day he left school. And now he’s got a bird up the duff and just got a council flat free gratis. Rent free no council tax to pay. He’s just no interest in getting a job. Nearly 20 years he’s been on state handouts.
They should bring back national service for people like him.

50

spectron:
I think all benefits should go.
I have a friend from school who’s never worked a day in his life.
He makes me sick sometimes out every weekend. Even his dads reverted to calling him a bum. But his younger brothers worked from the day he left school. And now he’s got a bird up the duff and just got a council flat free gratis. Rent free no council tax to pay. He’s just no interest in getting a job. Nearly 20 years he’s been on state handouts.
They should bring back national service for people like him.

Well said, I think we all know folk like that.

51

spectron:
I think all benefits should go.
I have a friend from school who’s never worked a day in his life.
He makes me sick sometimes out every weekend. Even his dads reverted to calling him a bum. But his younger brothers worked from the day he left school. And now he’s got a bird up the duff and just got a council flat free gratis. Rent free no council tax to pay. He’s just no interest in getting a job. Nearly 20 years he’s been on state handouts.
They should bring back national service for people like him.

i also no someone like that and he’s welcome to it he lives in a council flat and thats it no car no holidays nothing.What do you think folks should live on with no benefits when there’s not enough work to go round?

52

That even beats the agribulk driver who said that he took home a grand a week…

don’t be to quick to rubbish that.
I used to take home £250 per week in 1973, incuding fiddles etc, what would that equate today.
Basic wage was £27.50 per 40 hours.
Goes without saying I was running slightly bent and also company went bust soon after.

53

Noworries:
How can anyone be so naive to think that tax credits paid to them come out of the tax they have paid, they are getting tax credits due to low earnings , hence paying very little tax, so the rest of us are paying their tax credits,

I don’t believe anyone should be able to take out of the system what they didn’t put in firstmost.

The system stinks though, as it allows people to claim who never paid anything in, and denys money because of “means testing” to those who are slightly above certain thresholds.

My earnings for some 20 years just about went into the higher tax band. I paid my taxes like everyone else. My wife was working at the time as a night transport clerk at Tibbet & Britain. You could say we were hardened “Dinkys”.
Then we unexpectedly became parents in 2003, and the so-called childcare system that only provides help to latchkey households or single mums appalled us so much we decided to do it our own way instead. Initially, the wife lost out on her now unused tax code.
However, after nearly a DECADE of mark-time wages, we have found that the system has caught up with us, so that what was good money 10 years ago is now only average. The bar for things like tax credits stands at around £18k. It occured to me that a drop of only another £8k would allow us to claim around £5k in tax credits that we would not get if I continued working flat out for the now crap wage of £26k. This only required us having a young child at home, and the wife not bothering to go back to work, because the wages she’d get in the retail sector (no night clerk jobs nowdays!) would not cover the deduction from those tax credits.

No doubt the system will change again in the years to come, and we’ll have to alter our lifestyles to match. For most of the public, I would argue that it is the inability to adjust one’s lifestyle that leads to real-terms poverty in this country today.
Some of our old “Dinky” friends are still pulling in around £70k between them, and have never had life so bad as it is now, because all their wages seem to be going on interest payments on debts, or non-deductable living expenses BECAUSE they won’t give up the second job,second car, holiday abroad, smoking, pubbing, etc etc. that their drop in real-terms wages is demanding of them.

I’m not sponging, I just won’t be penalised for working loads of hours anymore. :imp:

I’m Brian - and so’s my wife!