I’ve only read this thread (haven’t looked anywhere else for info - but that’s never stopped me from spouting an opinion 
), but as far as I can see this is nothing more than a headline grabber. It’ll never happen, but if it does it’ll end up costing UK hauliers more money 
Just my two pennorth.
Wheel Nut:
I have just read the Department for Transport consultation document which really does cover most points raised on these forums. I am for it after seeing that, it will be a road tax based system for UK hauliers while the others have to pay before they come into the country, much like the Eurovignette.One advantage to the UK International operator, it is proposed to drop the VED from £1200 to £560 but the actual amount paid would still be £1200, the difference being paid to the charging scheme. So a UK haulier who spends a lot of the time out of the country should be able to pay by the day
that sounds fair enough, just like the benelux hauliers who if they are out of their country don’t have to pay.
Daft idea its a stealth tax! I bet UK operators will be worse off but as long as we are getting a few quid from joey foreigner hey hoe, who gives a ■■■■ about ur single one man bands who are already struggling.
3300John:
Winseer:
tachograph:
skoowif:
They said the congestion charge would be unworkable, and that worked…■■? are you sure!!!
i think you’ll find theres £millions owed by forign lorry company’s for the congestion charge who’ll
never pay up…
John
The congestion charge works as far as UK drivers are concerned. Since it seems to be unworkable to get money out of foreigners on our roads, we might like to charge them at port of entry instead using the same technology!
I can’t see why an “entry visa” for any vehicle with a foreign number plate woundn’t work as part of the customs clearing process at ports.
The present proposal means that one section of the haulage industry will suffer by £66 allegedly. Lorries between 26 and 28tonne gross come between the two price ranges.
Merc000, there are many more companies struggling than ur single one man bands.
welshboyinspain:
I’ve already stated it’s a good idea but some comments are very UK biased, like parking up nor the governments problem! So you wouldn’t mind if UK trucks pay for the days they are parked up waiting abroad? Pay for the days they don’t drive? Getting a bit silly now everybody pays for everyday they drive and all’s fair
I realise that you’re not responding to my post, but I’d have no problem in a foreign haulier not paying for the days that they’re parked up. After all, as has been said, UK-based hauliers don’t have to pay for foreign vignettes if they’re parked up abroad. Out in Hungary, the vignettes are for one day, week, month or year. It’s cheaper to buy a week-long vignette than five separate days, so I guess that in a lot of cases, foreign hauliers will buy the week. And when they leave the country, the system would notice that they’ve been here for some days without paying the charge, at which point they could be asked for tachograph records to prove that they had not been driving on the unpaid days.
It sounds like a good scheme to me, as long as it’s cost-neutral to UK-based businesses - after all, it’s what’s done in a lot of Europe. Yes, it’s been pointed out that in a lot of the European cases it’s just toll roads that are charged and that we have toll roads in the UK, but in a lot of cases in Europe, all the motorways are tolled, and there are weight limits on the smaller roads to prevent transiting trucks from dodging the tolls.
Plus the system I suggested based on the Hungarian model would also help with enforcement of the congestion charge, parking fines, etc. since vehicles on the database for infringements would automatically be caught at the port of exit.
Immigrant:
You could make a Law that every vehicle driven in UK musst have the Steering Wheel on the right Site,and every driver driving in UK musst have a minimum of 2 Years driving experience in driving on the Left site.
Yeah, that would really make entry to the industry for young people easier 
One problem which I do find it that the RTC will be only available at ports or on the ferries and not available in the UK, that will make it like Belgium where you cannot buy road tax easily.
There have been several drivers who have been week-ended in Belgium only to be fined on Monday morning while they were trying to buy a vignette. I know there is no such excuse now, it is available on the internet.
whats the ratio of foreign registered vehicles to British ones?
There seems to be more and more foreign vehicles on the roads today so they should contribute for its upkeep.
I’m sick to death of my taxes paying for every other leech that comes here and doesn’t pay.
Yet we get screwed…
You have to buy road tax in belgium and holland…cost per day whilst you are there… how does that work for dutch and belgian registered trucks? same applies? or do they have to pay annually ?
Trucks already pay a tax… so UK truck shouldnt pay… foreign trucks should.
If thats deemed illegal because the EU says it is, then apply the system to everyone… charge all trucks the same inc UK operators.
£1000 pa… some trucks are already paying that… and above…and base it on emissions…like they do in EU
Then it cannot be deemed as unfair…
routier:
whats the ratio of foreign registered vehicles to British ones?There seems to be more and more foreign vehicles on the roads today so they should contribute for its upkeep.
I’m sick to death of my taxes paying for every other leech that comes here and doesn’t pay.
Yet we get screwed…
You have to buy road tax in belgium and holland…cost per day whilst you are there… how does that work for dutch and belgian registered trucks? same applies? or do they have to pay annually ?
Trucks already pay a tax… so UK truck shouldnt pay… foreign trucks should.
If thats deemed illegal because the EU says it is, then apply the system to everyone… charge all trucks the same inc UK operators.
£1000 pa… some trucks are already paying that… and above…and base it on emissions…like they do in EU
Then it cannot be deemed as unfair…
Belgium have to pay the annual vignette on January 1st
Holland can pay by day, week, month or year
Winseer:
I can’t see why an “entry visa” for any vehicle with a foreign number plate woundn’t work as part of the customs clearing process at ports.
For trucks coming from EU member states there is no customs clearing process at ports these days, unless they are carrying goods from outside, not yet cleared into, the EU. You just drive off the ferry and straight out of the port unless you are selected for a random inspection. It’s been that way for years now.
Why not charge any vehicle entering the UK the same by daily rate as the UK RFL for that vehicle, payable on exit, simple the recieve an entry certificate on arrival, then pay on exit, then it would only be international hauliers who have to reclaim tax for days spent outside the UK, keeping admin costs to a minimum, This system works for tourist visas in many countries around the world and is easy to collect on exit.
Dont forget:
You cant charge the Industry for the £10.- a day
because:
The PM said you can claim it back 
but:
It may get a Tax reduced which helps the Industry selling to a cheaper Price
which means:
You could try to get
1.) Fuel cheaper
2.) Injurence cheaper
3.) Maintenance cheaper
4.) Profit smaller or
5.) smaller Wages to your Staff 
On the other Hand,the European Trucker could add it to the Bill,as they cant claim it back.
or
Did i miss anything?
Absolutely ridiculous solution to a sore problem, ive been back and forth to Europe for 30 yrs and have heard the gripe resurface from time to time, a bit late now to redress the balance i think, however… a simple solution would be to adopt the Swiss system which apart from issuing ID cards for individual trucks has a very low cost to benefit ratio.It works perfectly well and is very easy to implement, on entry to the UK you produce your ID card which along with a statement of Kilometre reading is entered in the system, on leaving your Kilometre read is taken , giving the distance travelled, simple,the card is charged or cash paid at the agreed rate, which should mirror the German/French toll, can anyone tell me why this system is not the one being adopted, 10 pounds a day is a derisory ammount, its very east to clock up a hundred euros in the aforementioned countries. N.B the fine for a wrong km read should be very severe to deter any attempt at fraud.
kevinm:
Absolutely ridiculous solution to a sore problem, ive been back and forth to Europe for 30 yrs and have heard the gripe resurface from time to time, a bit late now to redress the balance i think, however… a simple solution would be to adopt the Swiss system which apart from issuing ID cards for individual trucks has a very low cost to benefit ratio.It works perfectly well and is very easy to implement, on entry to the UK you produce your ID card which along with a statement of Kilometre reading is entered in the system, on leaving your Kilometre read is taken , giving the distance travelled, simple,the card is charged or cash paid at the agreed rate, which should mirror the German/French toll, can anyone tell me why this system is not the one being adopted, 10 pounds a day is a derisory ammount, its very east to clock up a hundred euros in the aforementioned countries. N.B the fine for a wrong km read should be very severe to deter any attempt at fraud.
I think the Swiss system is very good, but they have a physical border for cars and lorries, where are all the lorries going to park while they queue for one machine in Dover 
kevinm:
Absolutely ridiculous solution to a sore problem, ive been back and forth to Europe for 30 yrs and have heard the gripe resurface from time to time, a bit late now to redress the balance i think, however… a simple solution would be to adopt the Swiss system which apart from issuing ID cards for individual trucks has a very low cost to benefit ratio.It works perfectly well and is very easy to implement, on entry to the UK you produce your ID card which along with a statement of Kilometre reading is entered in the system, on leaving your Kilometre read is taken , giving the distance travelled, simple,the card is charged or cash paid at the agreed rate, which should mirror the German/French toll, can anyone tell me why this system is not the one being adopted, 10 pounds a day is a derisory ammount, its very east to clock up a hundred euros in the aforementioned countries. N.B the fine for a wrong km read should be very severe to deter any attempt at fraud.
That’s seen as discrimination against drivers from other EU countries and is illegal under current EU law, so without a change in EU law cannot be implemented.
Currently the only legal way to implement that system would be to also charge UK hauliers for the mileage they do whilst in the UK, which is sort of defeating the object of the exercise.
Sorry, but please can someone explain it to me, naive visitor from foreign country?
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You have road tax at the moment. You cannot force road tax on the road users from the other countries I guess (altough road tax in Poland is included in fuel price and somehow everyone who buy fuel have to pay it, which is also good as more fuel you use, more tax you pay, so it’s usage and emission related).
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If you was to introduce new system for charging, you will have to charge your own hauliers as well.
So why just don’t scrap road tax and replace it with vignette system? The yearly vignette can cost the same as the road tax cost and shorter periods can be made available for other drivers…
Road tax is de facto a vignette - you buy a bit of paper and you stick it to your windscreen, but because it’s called road tax you cannot demand it from foreign road users. So just by changing name of it you should be able to introduce “vignette system” without any change (apart from renaming road tax to vignette) from the point of view of British Haulier.
It seems the simplier solution for me, but I guess it can’t be done because of something…?
orys:
…but because it’s called road tax…
It’s not called Road Tax.
I hope this helps.
tachograph:
That’s seen as discrimination against hauliers from other EU countries and is illegal under current EU law, so without a change in EU law cannot be implemented.Currently the only legal way to implement that system would be to also charge UK hauliers for the mileage they do whilst in the UK, which is sort of defeating the object of the exercise.
FTFY.
You’re welcome.
Coffeeholic:
orys:
…but because it’s called road tax…It’s not called Road Tax.
I hope this helps.
It is called road tax in common language.
But it helped: you proved my point. No matter, vehicle tax, car tax, road tax - everyone knows what I am talking about. Stop calling it “tax”, call it “vignette” and you can ask foreign vehicles to buy one as well.