Labour - will have the same problems implementing the Universal Income as the Tories have had in introducing the Universal Credit.
There will be millions of people “trying to claim the overlap” - which the Tories have tried rather too hard to get around - by leaving a GAP between the “old benefits ending” and the “new ones starting”.
The only way Labour can therefore “not make the same mistake as the Tories” - is to LET that “overlap” happen, with the inevitable increase in money supply (and inflation that comes with it) by basically “showing the benefit claimaint section of the population with overlapping benefits” - which if not sorted out QUICKLY - will encourage actual working people in dead-end (and zero real terms pay rises) jobs - to actually “jack it in”, - to get those ever- more lucrative benefits.
Bet you anything you like that the final version of Labour’s “Universal Income” - handed out - WILL be “means Tested”, which of course makes my predictions inevitable as it makes the entire notion of a Universal Benefit “a total waste of time, that rewards not just Failure, but DELIBERATE Failure”. Mark my words - This won’t end well, if Labour gain any further ground at the next election…
Actually, by this point - I’m hoping that Corbyn would end up having Farage as his chancellor, because only a fool would automatically assume that Brexit Party can only go into coalition with the Tories following the next election… What happens if Labour tread water on 262 seats, Tories go down to 200 seats, and Brexit Party end up with 70 seats hmm? The Tories - cannot go into coalition with Farage, even if they WANTED to… LABOUR? - Corbyn is supposed to be a EuroSceptic who would surely JUMP at the chance of the Brexit Magic Money Tree, especially if he puts Farage as his chancellor to “go get it”… Perhaps a load of Labour MPs who actually never liked Corbyn in the FIRST place - will cross the floor to Libdems - when Corbyn abadons their beloved Remain stance, and thoroughly assets his leadership as he bloody well should have done when Cameron came out for Remain in the FIRST place.
I only currently object to Corbyn being PM - because of his current crappy “shadow cabinet from Hell”. - Financially, I’ve always been Left wing!
Winseer:
Labour - will have the same problems implementing the Universal Income as the Tories have had in introducing the Universal Credit.
There will be millions of people “trying to claim the overlap” - which the Tories have tried rather too hard to get around - by leaving a GAP between the “old benefits ending” and the “new ones starting”.
The only way Labour can therefore “not make the same mistake as the Tories” - is to LET that “overlap” happen, with the inevitable increase in money supply (and inflation that comes with it) by basically “showing the benefit claimaint section of the population with overlapping benefits” - which if not sorted out QUICKLY - will encourage actual working people in dead-end (and zero real terms pay rises) jobs - to actually “jack it in”, - to get those ever- more lucrative benefits.
Bet you anything you like that the final version of Labour’s “Universal Income” - handed out - WILL be “means Tested”, which of course makes my predictions inevitable as it makes the entire notion of a Universal Benefit “a total waste of time, that rewards not just Failure, but DELIBERATE Failure”. Mark my words - This won’t end well, if Labour gain any further ground at the next election…
Actually, by this point - I’m hoping that Corbyn would end up having Farage as his chancellor, because only a fool would automatically assume that Brexit Party can only go into coalition with the Tories following the next election… What happens if Labour tread water on 262 seats, Tories go down to 200 seats, and Brexit Party end up with 70 seats hmm? The Tories - cannot go into coalition with Farage, even if they WANTED to… LABOUR? - Corbyn is supposed to be a EuroSceptic who would surely JUMP at the chance of the Brexit Magic Money Tree, especially if he puts Farage as his chancellor to “go get it”… Perhaps a load of Labour MPs who actually never liked Corbyn in the FIRST place - will cross the floor to Libdems - when Corbyn abadons their beloved Remain stance, and thoroughly assets his leadership as he bloody well should have done when Cameron came out for Remain in the FIRST place.
I only currently object to Corbyn being PM - because of his current crappy “shadow cabinet from Hell”. - Financially, I’ve always been Left wing!
The Universal Credit Advance Budget Loan covers any shortfall, its a whole months payment repayable over 12 months interest free.
nightline:
It just goes to show you the state of the country if you have teachers and firemen working on the side driving trucks to earn extra money
I dread to think what they earn in their full time job
My brother after 7 years was on more for 39 weeks a year than lorry drivers working full time for a full year. He has 5 weeks in summer to do nowt with as do a lot of teachers so some choose to do a bit of work doing something else to get some more money.
'm sure there are many many people driving trucks who have a trade or lots of experience in other fields
A fridge engineer comes to mind
Conor:
We need to be doing fewer hours not more. Last night I did an 11hr shift which is nothing out of the ordinary for this job and actually considered a short day by many. Try saying to people who aren’t in haulage that you do 11hrs or more a day, 60hrs a week and see what their response is. It’ll be somewhere between shock and “[zb] that”. People working normal hours see a 45hr week as a long one, let alone the average in our job of 55hrs.
I will tell that to the people in the factories that I visit, who stand at machines for 12 hour shifts, for minimum wage with no overtime. Should cheer them up
This is what makes some people feel better, that someone somewhere is doing worse…obviously there is. But I can assure you, that there are plenty of people in factories, warehouses who are doing good and not working for a minimum wage and definitely not working silly hours. Obviously you need to start somewhere, maybe from minimum wage…But drivers have to stop stereotypes that everyone they deliver to in warehouses or factories is earning less so it’s justified for them to work abnormal hours, as this puts them on some higher pedestal in terms of pay… Think at least for the moment that there are people who earn as much as you or even more for 37.5 or 40 hour week and you will not feel so good any more…Nothing personal, just thoughts.
milesahead:
Think at least for the moment that there are people who earn as much as you or even more for 37.5 or 40 hour week and you will not feel so good any more…Nothing personal, just thoughts.
Class 1 rates in much of the country are £10-£12/hr.
milesahead:
Think at least for the moment that there are people who earn as much as you or even more for 37.5 or 40 hour week and you will not feel so good any more…Nothing personal, just thoughts.
Class 1 rates in much of the country are £10-£12/hr.
So a lorry driver on average has to work 42-50hrs a week to get the same as the average person does for working 37.2hrs.
The trouble with averages is that to get that result there has to be a lot of people below the average, people in the same qualification area as drivers will also be on well below the national average, not to many supermarket workers on £10-£12 an hour or on 37.5 hours per week, warehouse staff on zero hours contracts outside of peak times will struggle to hit 37.5 hours a week. Easy to make figures and statistics suit but unless you’re comparing similar situations it is hard to draw a good comparison, my other half is a civil servant minimum requirement of 5 GCSE’s contracted for 37.5 hours per week gross salary £21,000, (£7,000 less than my take home) doing a far more stressful job than me.
