90 hours in a fortnight . . .

. . . . . . Or more strictly - 90 driving in “any two consecutive weeks”

Earlier today, I had an almost interesting “discussion” about the 90 hours rule, with someone from the office. It got quite heated.

He said that on reaching 90 hours I could take a Weekly Rest - 45 or 24 if available, then start again.

I disagreed. I say I wouldn’t be allowed to drive until the Monday following.

Of course, he demanded to be believed on the grounds that he is office staff and therefore knows what he’s talking about, and I’m just a driver.

What say you ?

:open_mouth: Oh dear, oh dear dambuster, you might not have realised it yet, but this is a golden opportunity for the resident forum interrogators ROG and Del to tie you to a chair and shine a strong light in your face, so you’d best prepare your answers to the following questions before they start beating you with wet towels… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :wink:

  • How many hours you drove last year
  • How many hours you’ll drive next year
  • What you’d had for breakfast the day before
  • What colour socks you were wearing at the time
  • Which direction your truck was facing on the day in question
    …and most importantly,
  • The price of fish

Then you’ll get a 10-page answer. :grimacing:
Oh look, ROG and Del are coming, now where’s my coat… ?

:bulb: :arrow_right: On the other hand, you could wait for somebody who knows what they’re on about. :grimacing: :stuck_out_tongue:

dieseldave:
:open_mouth: Oh dear, oh dear dambuster, you might not have realised it yet, but this is a golden opportunity for the resident forum interrogators ROG and Del to tie you to a chair and shine a strong light in your face, so you’d best prepare your answers to the following questions before they start beating you with wet towels… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :wink:

  • How many hours you drove last year
  • How many hours you’ll drive next year
  • What you’d had for breakfast the day before
  • What colour socks you were wearing at the time
  • Which direction your truck was facing on the day in question
    …and most importantly,
  • The price of fish

Then you’ll get a 10-page answer. :grimacing:

PMSL :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

dambuster:
Earlier today, I had an almost interesting “discussion” about the 90 hours rule, with someone from the office. It got quite heated.

He said that on reaching 90 hours I could take a Weekly Rest - 45 or 24 if available, then start again.

I disagreed. I say I wouldn’t be allowed to drive until the Monday following.

Of course, he demanded to be believed on the grounds that he is office staff and therefore knows what he’s talking about, and I’m just a driver.

What say you ?

The only way you could legally do as your office bod says is if the weekly rest took you into a new week :wink:

You are of course correct that the limit is 90 hours driving in any two consecutive weeks (00:00 Monday to 24:00 Sunday), so once you’ve done the 90 hours driving you would have to wait until Monday to drive legally.


Article 6 - (EC) No 561/2006
:
2. The weekly driving time shall not exceed 56 hours and
shall not result in the maximum weekly working time laid
down in Directive 2002/15/EC being exceeded.

  1. The total accumulated driving time during any two
    consecutive weeks shall not exceed 90 hours.

Article 4 - (EC) No 561/2006:
(i) ‘a week’ means the period of time between 00.00 on
Monday and 24.00 on Sunday;

I suggest you point your office bod in the general direction of these two links :wink:

REGULATION (EC) No 561/2006 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 March 2006

Rules on Drivers’ Hours and Tachographs (Goods vehicles in the UK and Europe)

to steal some words of wisdom from coffeeholic “your office bod is an idiot”

your 90 hours is over a fixed 2 week period. 1 week is from 0000 (midnight sunday evening/monday morning) hours monday to 2400 (sunday evening/monday morning) on the following sunday the following week is exactly the same and your 90 hours must not be exceeded within this ‘rolling’ 2 week period.

you are right as a weekly rest does not start it again, only a fresh ‘fixed’ week can reset it so if you did 56 hours driving in week 1 then 34 in week 2 when you start a new week, week 3, but now week 2 of your 90 hours fortnightly drive you would have 56 hours drving time left for your rolling 2 weeks!

i hope i have made some sense there and got it right! :blush:

dieseldave missed out a very important point - if there is a full moon which is visible in the morning when the sun rises then the 90 hour rule can be extended until the moon is no longer visible to the naked eye - but only in a month that has an ‘R’ in it and in a week that is 7 days long :laughing:

dieseldave:

How many hours you drove last year

How many hours you’ll drive next year

What you’d had for breakfast the day before

What colour socks you were wearing at the time

Which direction your truck was facing on the day in question

…and most importantly,

The price of fish

please answer the following questions so i can get a clear picture of you work and of course would like to know if you have eaten any pies as this is against the EU driving reg as the EU as declared all pies as

the dieseldave pie directive sec/1/1929

no other driver in all member state my eat pies without the consent of MR dieseldave :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Well - That was far too easy :wink:

Although, I should point out it was a different buffoon from the one telling us you have to take a full daily rest if you’ve driven a 10 - pmsl.

Oh . . . . I do have a new one though. But I need to take a pic of my lights and upload it. Just for clarity of course.

Huh, is that it? :neutral_face:

I have just had a bulk delivery of popcorn and teabags :stuck_out_tongue:

Lee G:
fortnightly drive

QUIZ - No such word as fortnight in the regs - can anyone tell me why that is ?

This is just so that Wheel Nut does not waste his popcorn :laughing: :laughing:

As I said at the top of my initial post . . . . . .

(With regard to the 90 hours rule)

any two consecutive weeks

But bear in mind ROG if you would, I take my info fromthe actual legislation rather than “a guide” :wink:

dambuster:
As I said at the top of my initial post . . . . . .

(With regard to the 90 hours rule)

any two consecutive weeks

I know :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

ROG:

Lee G:
fortnightly drive

QUIZ - No such word as fortnight in the regs - can anyone tell me why that is ?

This is just so that Wheel Nut does not waste his popcorn :laughing: :laughing:

Because it doesn’t translate into Latvian or Portugese easily.

ROG:

Lee G:
fortnightly drive

QUIZ - No such word as fortnight in the regs - can anyone tell me why that is ?

This is just so that Wheel Nut does not waste his popcorn :laughing: :laughing:

why that is easy mate

if it did say fortnight in the regs it could be misunderstood a a fixed two week period especially by me and you :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

Wheel Nut has already given the answer :smiley: :smiley:
The word ‘fortnight’ is not used in any other language so it will not translate which is why the regs say ‘any two consecutive weeks’

VOSA could use the word ‘fortnight’ in GV262 if they wanted to as those are for UK only

delboytwo:

dieseldave:

  • How many hours you drove last year
  • How many hours you’ll drive next year
  • What you’d had for breakfast the day before
  • What colour socks you were wearing at the time
  • Which direction your truck was facing on the day in question
    …and most importantly,
  • The price of fish

There ya go Del, I’ve tidied-up the quote for you… :wink:

delboytwo:
please answer the following questions so i can get a clear picture of you work and of course would like to know if you have eaten any pies as this is against the EU driving reg as the EU as declared all pies as

the dieseldave pie directive sec/1/1929

no other driver in all member state my eat pies without the consent of MR dieseldave :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

My work involves testing the quality of pies at frequent intervals as per Section.1 of The Pie Act of Nineteen-canteen.
Drivers in other EU States may eat as many pies as they like, but must ensure that there are enough left for me, with seconds if required. :grimacing:
Folks suffering from severe pie deprivation are advised to contact the National Pie Helpline where they can be advised of the location of 24/7 pie vendors. However, coverage in Europe is patchy at best, so travellers are advised to ensure that they have sufficient pies for their needs. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

:open_mouth: The punishments are quite severe for those who would take the last pie… :sunglasses:

Wheel Nut:
Because it doesn’t translate into Latvian or Portugese easily.

Or German… :wink:

dieseldave:

delboytwo:

dieseldave:

  • How many hours you drove last year
  • How many hours you’ll drive next year
  • What you’d had for breakfast the day before
  • What colour socks you were wearing at the time
  • Which direction your truck was facing on the day in question
    …and most importantly,
  • The price of fish

There ya go Del, I’ve tidied-up the quote for you… :wink:

delboytwo:
please answer the following questions so i can get a clear picture of you work and of course would like to know if you have eaten any pies as this is against the EU driving reg as the EU as declared all pies as

the dieseldave pie directive sec/1/1929

no other driver in all member state my eat pies without the consent of MR dieseldave :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

My work involves testing the quality of pies at frequent intervals as per Section.1 of The Pie Act of Nineteen-canteen.
Drivers in other EU States may eat as many pies as they like, but must ensure that there are enough left for me, with seconds if required. :grimacing:
Folks suffering from severe pie deprivation are advised to contact the National Pie Helpline where they can be advised of the location of 24/7 pie vendors. However, coverage in Europe is patchy at best, so travellers are advised to ensure that they have sufficient pies for their needs. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

:open_mouth: The punishments are quite severe for those who would take the last pie… :sunglasses:

PMSL :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Lee G:
to steal some words of wisdom from coffeeholic “your office bod is an idiot”

You beat me to it, and I would tell him so to his face. :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

ROG:
Wheel Nut has already given the answer :smiley: :smiley:
The word ‘fortnight’ is not used in any other language so it will not translate which is why the regs say ‘any two consecutive weeks’

Actually it would translate perfectly well. Any translator worth his or her salt would simply translate the word fortnight as two weeks. There doesn’t have to be an exact match to be able to successfully translate a word or phrase and still convey the correct meaning.

delboytwo:
if it did say fortnight in the regs it could be misunderstood a a fixed two week period especially by me and you :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

Wouldn’t be much of a misunderstanding because when the regs say two weeks they do indeed mean two fixed weeks.