dambuster:
It (a 24 period) starts at the end of, or when a driver prematurely ends, the previous 24 hour period.
Or is that too easy ?
Innit.
Doesn’t quite cover it, you also begin a 24 hour period when you end a weekly rest period.
Ah - but is a Weekly Rest not just simply (although specified) a 24 hour period, or a 21 hour period immediately before a subsequent 24 hour period ?
Although I suppose if one wanted to be particularly pedantic, it could be claimed to be a 21 hour period following a previous 24 hour period. But even so, would that not fall into “or when a driver prematurely ends”
dambuster:
It (a 24 period) starts at the end of, or when a driver prematurely ends, the previous 24 hour period.
Or is that too easy ?
Innit.
Doesn’t quite cover it, you also begin a 24 hour period when you end a weekly rest period.
Ah - but is a Weekly Rest not just simply (although specified) a 24 hour period, or a 21 hour period immediately before a subsequent 24 hour period ?
No, because a 24 hour period, as far as the tacho regs go as opposed to the calendar, contains work (driving and other work) whereas a weekly rest period must be all rest.
Coffeeholic:
Ah - but is a Weekly Rest not just simply (although specified) a 24 hour period, or a 21 hour period immediately before a subsequent 24 hour period ?
No, because a 24 hour period, as far as the tacho regs go as opposed to the calendar, contains work (driving and other work) whereas a weekly rest period must be all rest.
The problem with this thread now is that if Neil tells me a rainbow is 7 shades of green. I will not disagree. I will take his word for it and he could very easily prevaricate to dupe me
However, if Del or Rog post anything else, I will go outside, count the raindrops, have an analysis of the colours done and still check the thing by following it and digging it up
When you’re looking at something (anything) that has mandatory limits, it’s better if it’s realised that a given limit is usually EITHER a maximum or a minimum.
For instance, a road has a posted maximum speed limit of 30 mph. Is it an offence to drive at 25mph on that road?
On a car, the minimum tyre tread depth is 1.6 mm. Is it an offence to drive that car if the tyre tread depth is 6 mm?
In most sets of Regs, the idea is to limit something, hence the need for maximums and/or minimums.
I’ve just set my mode switch to ‘bed’ so now I’m off for a lie down ready for this evening’s gripping instalment.
well have had a thought, i know the cogs were working overtime
we know that you have to have start a weekly rest at the end of 6x24 hour periods(But we don’t have to we could take a weekly rest any time before the choice is yours or should i say the firms) but can i point out that that all its says
it does not define how you should interpret a 24 hour period only then a weekly rest should start at the end of 6x24 hour periods
IMHO a 24 hour period is in the eyes of the EU reg a period of time between rests be it a daily rest or a weekly rest were work is carried out in scope of the EU regs, when you start work after a rest whether it be a daily or weekly that would come under the EU reg as a new 24 hour period
A weekly rest period shall start no later than at the end of six
24-hour periods from the end of the previous weekly rest
period.
so in fact you can use as many charts (unless you have a digital driver card ) in that period as long as you stay within the EU regs for driving, other work.POA,break and daily rest or even RTD/WTD requirements for that period between weekly rest
so let put this to bed till some one that actually gets done for using 7 charts in six day and there define the exact wording of what 24 hour period is.
delboytwo:
so let put this to bed till some one that actually gets done for using 7 charts in six day
Which isn’t going to happen in this country under the current interpretation VOSA have. As long as my work continues to take me over the water I’m sticking to 6 shifts followed by a weekly rest. It’s got me two free paid days off in the last two weeks, 19 hours pay for zero work, so I’d be a fool to change it. If I stop going over the water I’ll squeeze as many shifts as I can into the 144 hours maximum between weekly rests.
delboytwo:
so let put this to bed till some one that actually gets done for using 7 charts in six day
Which isn’t going to happen in this country under the current interpretation VOSA have. As long as my work continues to take me over the water I’m sticking to 6 shifts followed by a weekly rest. It’s got me two free paid days off in the last two weeks, 19 hours pay for zero work, so I’d be a fool to change it. If I stop going over the water I’ll squeeze as many shifts as I can into the 144 hours maximum between weekly rests.
nicely put there mate the OP post was going over the water and would have used is 7 in Euro zone so if that was you you would not have used it,
cos IMHO i think the people that police the roads in Euro zone no it better and would consider a 24 hour period as just that
delboytwo:
cos IMHO i think the people that police the roads in Euro zone no it better and would consider a 24 hour period as just that
Plenty on here that go over the water - maybe they could ask them
As posted earlier in the thread I have. According to the Belgian copper I asked 6 shifts then rest. Since that post I have also asked a Dutch copper, same answer. Still waiting to encounter a German cop or BAG officer to ask them. The Belgian and Dutch coppers seem to stop for coffee more than the Germans so easier for me to bump into them.
delboytwo:
nicely put there mate the OP post was going over the water and would have used is 7 in Euro zone so if that was you you would not have used it,
No, I wouldn’t. I could have last week. Started after weekly rest at 05:00 Monday and started next weekly rest at 05:00 Sunday. Did 6 shifts with a 33 hour weekly rest from Tuesday evening to Thursday morning. On UK work I would have done a shift on Wednesday if necessary but as I was heading into France, Belgium, Holland and Germany later in the week not a chance.
I’m more than happy to argue the toss over the regulations with a foreign enforcement officer, and have done many times, but as the 144 hours aren’t mentioned in the actual regulations it doesn’t leave me with much ammo to argue with.
Differring interpretations on the same EU regs cannot be good but I suppose it will take an EU court case to definite what was meant in the first place in regard to Article 8.2.
Simples !! Someone from the DfT can’t interpret the rules from the clearly laid down definitions. Someone quick with a calculator who can use the multiplication function, also probably on twice our salary !!! We get something wrong we get a fine, they get it wrong and we argue about it
Here is a case that actually defines the meaning of “24 periods” , it does so very clearly and concisely… eur-lex.europa.eu/smartapi/cgi/s … 0394&lg=en
The first link does not include the ammendments so is not up to date for EU 561/2006
The second link just refers to a ‘day’ having the same meaning as in the current article 8.2.
Neither addresses the issues being discussed in the last 12 pages - simples !!
Dave’s tip for reading Regs…
