ROG:
I’ll rewrite the regs so it fits in with what you are saying…
ORIGNAL REGS WITHINeach period of 24 hours after the end of the previous daily rest period or weekly rest period a driver shall have taken a new daily rest period.
REWRITE INeach 24 hour period after the end of the previous daily rest period or weekly rest period a driver shall have taken a new daily rest period.
The REWRITE can now refer directly to this…
A weekly rest period shall start no later than at the end of six 24-hour periods from the end of the previous weekly rest period.
If for any reason you cannot see or understand the difference then I respectfully suggest that you print off this post and take it to an expert in English language such as a qualified school, college or university English teacher who WILL be able to enlighten you with a better explanation than I can ever give.
You rewrite them often enough anyway ROG !!! I had to quote this quick incase you edited it. Its gibberish !!!
Wheel Nut:
I bet Neil has taken to the strong liquor, a lifetimes abstinence and he is probably on a bottle of single malt before breakfast with this thread
Nah, I’m just laughing a lot without the aid of strong drink.
I’ve given up on this thread, when idiots start rewriting the regulations to try to make it fit their argument you kinda know it’s now pointless. Me? I’ll stick to doing my six shifts, each with a daily rest period, which makes 6x24-hour periods and then I’ll extend that last daily rest into a weekly rest before resuming work. I got a free day off on Wednesday of this week because of the 6x24 hour rule. I started work at 05:00 Monday and did a shift on each of Monday and Tuesday, the boss then gave me Wednesday off as I would be working Thursday through to today. I got home a little while ago after clocking off at 05:00 this morning. Now I know by ROG’s and VOSA’s reckoning I could have done a shift on Wednesday as well but there is no way I way I want to drive in France, Belgium, Holland and Germany next week with 7 shifts between weekly rests on my card.
Mike-C:
Any sign of that 144 hours in the legislation yet, i’m still looking myself trying to help you out !! I wonder if you’re having more luck than me?
6 X 24 = 144
If you can prove that the mathematical answer above is incorrect then and only then will I start to see your point of view - good luck on proving that
Coffeeholic:
Now I know by ROG’s and VOSA’s reckoning
I don’t reckon anything - you taught me to take each regulation seperately and as each reg is not grey but either black or white then there is either a yes or no answer.
Forget GV262 and lets use 261/2006
Article 8. 6.A weekly rest period shall start no later than at the end of six 24-hour periods from the end of the previous weekly rest period.
After a weekly rest a driver starts at noon on sunday
If that driver starts the next weekly rest at noon the following saturday is that legal ?
ANSWER = ?
Article 8. 2. Within each period of 24 hours after the end of the previous daily rest period or weekly rest period a driver shall have taken a new daily rest period.
A driver starts a shift at noon on sunday and before noon on monday takes the required amount of daily rest - is that legal ?
ANSWER = ?
The driver finishes the above shift at 10pm on sunday, takes 11 hours daily rest and starts the next shift at 9am on monday. Before 9am on tuesday the driver takes the required amount of daily rest - is that legal ?
ANSWER = ?
The driver finishes the above shift at 7pm on monday, takes 11 hours daily rest and starts the next shift at 6am on tuesday. Before 6am on wednesday the driver takes the required amount of daily rest - is that legal ?
ANSWER = ?
The same question is asked each time and requires the same yes or no answer.
Providing the answer is yes every time then it is legal.
It was your good self that taught me not to mix 2 regulations at the same time but to take each one on it’s own merits.
If I’ve made an error in my interpretation of what you have told me in the way that the regs should be done then please feel free to correct me
delboytwo:
s it in Rog 's mined (as he will not answer the question )
Yes I have - I have answered for both the SEPERATE 24 hours in question HERE but it seems you do not wish to accept the SEPERATE answers but want one answer that covers both - that can never happen as each refers to something different.
When your mind can get around that then you will have your answers (both of them)
delboytwo:
s it in Rog 's mined (as he will not answer the question )
Yes I have - I have answered for both the SEPERATE 24 hours in question HERE but it seems you do not wish to accept the SEPERATE answers but want one answer that covers both - that can never happen as each refers to something different.
When your mind can get around that then you will have your answers (both of them)
do yourself a favour mate and answer this question
ROG:
I’ve gone to PMs with Del to save another 12 pages
Coffeeholic:
A forum is an open thing to allow all to debate and learn, so you’ve taken it to PM so only two can be involved instead of all?
Sometimes a verbal discussion can be preferrable to many over one that is written
Coffeeholic:
When you resume work after a rest period. I don’t think anyone is disputing that. It’s about the only thing everyone agrees on in this thread.
just to point something out in the AETR rule you would only be able to use 6 cards and no more between weekly rests
so if it in the which is the old regs why have there not put it in the new regs cos it you are using more cards between weekly rest you are in fact getting more rest and therefore working less between rest which is a good thing is it not
buy the way a 24 hour period does also start after a weekly rest i i would like you to prove me wrong
delboytwo:
just to point something out in the AETR rule you would only be able to use 6 cards and no more between weekly rests
It referred to a maximum of six daily driving periods being allowed in the old regs which was silly and why i was changed.
Drive for 1 hour and then take a daily rest could only legally be done 6 times under the old regs
Under the new regs this stupidity has been done away with by imposing specific minimum rest periods for certain periods of time.
Under 251/2006 a driver can do lots of short shifts with each followed by a daily rest so in the maximum time frame between weekly rests of 6 X 24 (144) the driver would be having MORE rest time than if they used the minimum amount of daily rest time in the same weekly rest time frame.
