7.9mpg

Hi

Just spent 4days away on the agency in a Volvo FH12, tramping from Skelmersdale, Essex, Kent, London, Devon and South Wales and back to Skem. The thing is, want ever I tried I could only get an average 7.9 mpg. It was an I shift vehicle, any tips on improving this if I get any other work. :smiley:

mp1dean:
Hi

Just spent 4days away on the agency in a Volvo FH12, tramping from Skelmersdale, Essex, Kent, London, Devon and South Wales and back to Skem. The thing is, want ever I tried I could only get an average 7.9 mpg. It was an I shift vehicle, any tips on improving this if I get any other work. :smiley:

Why? do you have to pay for it yourself :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Sorry only takin the pi55

Our 460 Merc`s show on the computer around 8.5 average and thats only running with 2.5t of empty drinks cans on them but with a 15" high trailer.

:sunglasses: Welcome mp1dean, if its a new truck youll need to wait for about 50,000 ks to clock up then it will give much better figures. You may want to check that you have the top button on the i-shift block set to E not P…not wishing to teach you to ■■■■ eggs but am assuming ( never do that ) you`ve been shown how to drive it to get the best out of it :question:

It’s on an 04 reg, with about 680000 on the clock. True enough the only introduction to the vehicle was ‘here’s the keys’ :smiley: , To be honest, being on the agency I’ve never had training on any vehicle I’ve driven :open_mouth:

mp1dean:
It’s on an 04 reg, with about 680000 on the clock.

It’s only just run in.What’s up with you? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Ken.

last time i looked on our board the average was 9.71 m.p.g , i think theres about 40 trucks in the yard , volvo 480,s , 08, 57,s,
lowest m.p.g,s were the jocks , in the 7,s , think thats down to the fact theyve only just proggresed from horse and carts to trucks and itll take a while for them to get the hang of driving trucks :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :wink:

mp1dean:
True enough the only introduction to the vehicle was ‘here’s the keys’ :smiley: , To be honest, being on the agency I’ve never had training on any vehicle I’ve driven :open_mouth:

:open_mouth: There`s a surprise…I was the same when i started 5 yrs ago :exclamation:

Mp1 Dean.

Driver training is part of my job as a salesman, and before you all start, I’ve done my time on the road aswell.

The easiest way to get any vehicle to perform well is to let the vehicle do the work, keep it in the green band, as this is where you get the best torque out of the engine, cut down on braking and set the cruise control 2 mph below the limiter, it won’t make a vast difference on long journey times but will up you mpg vastly, it will also give you better pulling power on the hills, as you won’t have to wait for the limiter to back off.

After saying that, MPG all depends on what weight your carrying, what the weather is like, tyre ware and pressures, drag factors, operating terrain etc. etc , I could go on forever. What I am trying to say is that there are many factors to achieving good fuel figures, you can only go against your own fleet average, so find out what that is 1st before you beat yourself up, thinking it is low.

As an example, I sell Iveco and I have just had a Stralis 450 6x2 tractor into a customer for fuel trials, which on average, is performimg very well (average 9.2mpg over 96,000kms) however, it only achieved 8.1mpg when on trial with this customer, when I collected the vehicle and downloaded the information, the 1st question I asked the operator was, what is your fleet average ■■, his reply was 7.5 mpg, on the initial reading of the vehicle, it appeared to be down on it’s own average, but 0.6 mpg better than the customers fleet average, with a driver that was not used to a different vehicle, once the driver was comfortable with the vehicle, I would probably be able to help him (with training) to get another 0.5 mpg out of the vehicle.

Unfortunately, back to your comment on training, there is a great lack of training for drivers in this country, I never had any formal training when I was driving, drivers are just expected to know how to operate every truck on the road and then get moaned at by the operators when things are not going right, all operators should now be looking at driver trianing to improve fuel econonomy and road safety, it is probably one of the biggest ways to cut operating costs.

Hope this as helped

Regards
Ant

Willie Roadstar:
I sell Iveco and …

:blush: Shame on you …self-flagellation with a damp copy of the Sentinel for you my man :smiling_imp:

Willie Roadstar:
Unfortunately… there is a great lack of training for drivers in this country… drivers are just expected to know how to operate every truck on the road and then get moaned at by the operators when things are not going right, all operators should now be looking at driver trianing to improve fuel econonomy and road safety, it is probably one of the biggest ways to cut operating costs…

:unamused: Yep, spose its all down to money as usual with the smaller firms, shame, they just don`t get it when it comes to looking after their most prized assets ( the drivers ) spend a little on proper training …stop yawning at the back there …and the fuel economy will follow :exclamation:

:sunglasses: SAFED course has been the best driving based course i`ve ever done www.safed.org.uk :sunglasses:

mp1dean:
True enough the only introduction to the vehicle was ‘here’s the keys’ :smiley: , To be honest, being on the agency I’ve never had training on any vehicle I’ve driven :open_mouth:

In over 30 years of vocational driving I’ve never had any training whatsoever other than for my HGV test. It’s was always a case of ‘here’s the keys’. In respect of 7.9 mpg for your Volvo I would say thats about right. I had an 06 FH12 (i-shift) running at max weight most of the time and never had more than 8 mpg.

Tiger

Fastrantiger:
In respect of 7.9 mpg for your Volvo I would say thats about right. I had an 06 FH12 (i-shift) running at max weight most of the time and never had more than 8 mpg.

As a comparison, after completing a course at Volvo at Warwick, I was, according to Dynafleet, getting an average of about 10.2 mpg at between 38-44 tonnes on a ‘57’ plate Volvo FH13 440 on UK general.

This thread highlights the need for type training, and how most firms aren’t interested in providing it. Yet they are the first to shout if a driver puts in poor fuel performance.

I’ve done an M-B Actros course and an FH13 course (that’s all we run) over the last year or so and they’ve been brilliant - helped me no end. These two trucks are totally different animals. Drive them the same and you will get crap fuel figures on one or the other. Or both.

Not easy for agency drivers, I know, but no employed driver should worry about fuel economy if the employer doesn’t give some form of guidance on how to get the best from specific vehicle types.

You havent mentioned what type of trailer you were pulling, that can make a load of difference, but I just did a conversion from my days on a FH12 420 i shift running with a road tanker at between 40 & 42 tonne.

Our fleet returned 33 L / per 100 km which equates to 8.560 Miles per Gallon.

This figure includes using pto driven pumps and compressors for up to 5 hours.

the computer on my VolvoFH12-460 (04 plate with 490000 on the clock) shows an average of 7.7 mpg

This is with manual 12 speed gearbox

Normally running between 42 and 44 tonnes gross with bulk tipper

Is this about right or do i need to wear slippers instead of heavy boots when driving. :laughing:
I try to keep it “in the green” but with a bulker delivering to farms and all over the uk including the welsh hills and scottish highlands its sometimes difficult to do.
I’ll try the tip of setting the cruise control low and see if it makes a difference.
At the end of the day i dont pay for the fuel but if everyone thought “sod it, its not my money” a few more firms would be against the wall.
Going slower is better as i get paid by the hour anyway :laughing:

7.9mpg■■? Crikey, If I turned something as high as that in, the Old Man would think I’d not moved out of the yard all week.
The best I’ve turned out lately is 7.5mpg over the course of a week. That’s running at full weight (44 tonnes), with some empty mileage, in a 500 Stralis.

Our kid has a 55 plate 480 Stralis with just over 200,000km on it and it’s only average 7.3mpg over the course of it’s life. Again it runs at full weight for the majority of the time.
My poorly sick TGA (07 plate) was turning in around 6mpg at best, before it went for a long holiday,

Whatever it is you’re doing to return 7.9mpg, please can you share your secret…

7.9mpg is’nt too bad.
It can depend on what trailer you are pulling, How it is loaded makes a big difference. How far do your revs drop on a hill before it drops down a gear?

surely with all auto boxes,if left to their own devices,the only thing to alter fuel efficiency is weight,driving conditions n weather?the revs are out of the drivers hands?
the out fit i work for used to buy scanias,with our low weight,we were getting 11mpg!..opted to save cash n buy nasty axors,now down to 9ish.we have fuel monitors that constantly check revs,idling,lettin it go down hill etc,and are pulled in for any "misdemeanours"so basically have to drive like miss marple!
i look forward to auto boxes,then the fuel loss is their own fault for buying cheap n nasty units! :imp: :smiling_imp:

whooshwhoosh:
surely with all auto boxes,if left to their own devices,the only thing to alter fuel efficiency is weight,driving conditions n weather?the revs are out of the drivers hands?
the out fit i work for used to buy scanias,with our low weight,we were getting 11mpg!..opted to save cash n buy nasty axors,now down to 9ish.we have fuel monitors that constantly check revs,idling,lettin it go down hill etc,and are pulled in for any "misdemeanours"so basically have to drive like miss marple!
i look forward to auto boxes,then the fuel loss is their own fault for buying cheap n nasty units! :imp: :smiling_imp:

There was a very good reason i mentioned about the revs dropping down too far on hills. I took a volvo out with an auto box. It clearly had a fault. It dropped to 1000 rpm before dropping down a gear. The best thing to do was drive it like a semi automatic. If you didn’t it would take a long time to get up a hill. You might as well of tipped the fuel on the floor.

could be how manufacturers project such high fuel figures from their wagons?
program the wizardry to be as eco as poss?ie,not droppin a cog until last breath?the man in charge of our fleet reckons we dont need to drop gears with our loads being so light???one bloke tried it…until unit finally stalled! :blush:
to be honest ive only had 1 fully auto wagon,a tga,n found it brilliant :laughing:

whooshwhoosh:
could be how manufacturers project such high fuel figures from their wagons?
program the wizardry to be as eco as poss?ie,not droppin a cog until last breath?the man in charge of our fleet reckons we dont need to drop gears with our loads being so light???one bloke tried it…until unit finally stalled! :blush:
to be honest ive only had 1 fully auto wagon,a tga,n found it brilliant :laughing:

That bloke must get a back hander from his clutch supplier :wink: , Or he’s a complete ■■■. :unamused:

no and yes,just felt he had to prove a point…tho videoin it on his phone while he did it seemed more a case for prosecution to me!..[zb] funny to watch tho! :laughing:

Censor dodge removed. Yawn. :wink: