good morning all, Having been demoted to a van i am obviously not under a tacho although i still try and stick to the rules as if i was ie 4.5 hour breaks and no more than 9 hours etc. However as there is no tacho there are no obvious checks on that and its down to me to monitor.
Due to a few things there is plenty of overtime to be had and being a greedy sod ( i have debts to pay) i am making full use of it (my choice) however here are the questions
can i do more than 60 hours in a week of a mixture of driving and other work
what contributes to the 60 hour rule ie are breaks included
who is responcible for insuring i dont exceed the rule
who would know
sorry for the silly question i did ask someone at work and got told dont worry its an average but on speaking to someone else they were of the opinion that vosa could tell from the van and i would be hung drawn and quatered with a extended stay in the tower of london. so i assume both silly answers.
Assuming that the van doesn’t have a tacho fitted then no, DVSA will not be able to tell from the van. However a physical DVSA inspection of your workplace could possibly throw up other evidence such as your timesheets or even vehicle tracking history (assuming it has one fitted) which could cause you potential problems.
Having said that I used to run crazy hours when I was operating vans so I’m certainly not criticising you and I’m of the opinion that people do what they have to do.
My advice would be do exactly what you need to do but keep quiet about it and don’t go shouting off how many hours, how far you’ve driven etc and you’ll "probably " be ok.
ROG:
UK domestic regs which cover van driving means you can legally do 10 hours driving/11 hours duty 7 days a week = 77 duty including 70 driving per week
ROG:
UK domestic regs which cover van driving means you can legally do 10 hours driving/11 hours duty 7 days a week = 77 duty including 70 driving per week
can the 77 hours duty be split into differing amounts? or is it a max of 11 hours a day
It’s a bit of a dichotomy this van driving lark, you should be allowed to work as long as you want, but on the other hand the nature of the job,.and doing it that way is a conflict of interests with road safety.
I first started long distance tramping on a Transit pick up,.and by Christ as a young lad dud I blag the hours.
Did not know about the 70 hour limit that Rog mentioned, but my way would be do as much as you like, but stop short of driving too bloody tired.
And as Maoster says…Keep schtum about what you do.
I can’t roll my eyes enough at this ■■■■. The drivers hours rules are to stop drivers being exploited by unscrupulous employers and to stop drivers from working themselves to death and/or killing someone in an accident caused by fatigue. Yet there are always idiots happy and willing to push the limits, no matter where they are set.
WhiteTruckMan:
I can’t roll my eyes enough at this [zb]. The drivers hours rules are to stop drivers being exploited by unscrupulous employers and to stop drivers from working themselves to death and/or killing someone in an accident caused by fatigue. Yet there are always idiots happy and willing to push the limits, no matter where they are set.
That’s the whole point there are virtually no drivers hours rules in van/pick up haulage.
Not saying there shouldn’t be,.I know I would not do the same hours on a pick up that I did as a young keen lad, but until things change that is how it is.
Hence the answer to the o/p.
WhiteTruckMan:
I can’t roll my eyes enough at this [zb]. The drivers hours rules are to stop drivers being exploited by unscrupulous employers and to stop drivers from working themselves to death and/or killing someone in an accident caused by fatigue. Yet there are always idiots happy and willing to push the limits, no matter where they are set.
That’s the whole point there are virtually no drivers hours rules in van/pick up haulage.
Not saying there shouldn’t be,.I know I would not do the same hours on a pick up that I did as a young keen lad, but until things change that is how it is.
Hence the answer to the o/p.
So are you saying van drivers don’t get tired? Or are you suggesting perhaps that because a van is a lighter vehicle than an artic that somehow it’s not as tiring?
Just like drink/drug driving, driving tired will kill. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But roll the dice often enough and sooner or later someone craps out.
WhiteTruckMan:
I can’t roll my eyes enough at this [zb]. The drivers hours rules are to stop drivers being exploited by unscrupulous employers and to stop drivers from working themselves to death and/or killing someone in an accident caused by fatigue. Yet there are always idiots happy and willing to push the limits, no matter where they are set.
That’s the whole point there are virtually no drivers hours rules in van/pick up haulage.
Not saying there shouldn’t be,.I know I would not do the same hours on a pick up that I did as a young keen lad, but until things change that is how it is.
Hence the answer to the o/p.
So are you saying van drivers don’t get tired? Or are you suggesting perhaps that because a van is a lighter vehicle than an artic that somehow it’s not as tiring?
Just like drink/drug driving, driving tired will kill. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But roll the dice often enough and sooner or later someone craps out.
You interpreted that from my post??
Really??
No I aint saying anything mate, I’m merely pointing out there are no drivers hours regs on Van’s.
ROG:
UK domestic regs which cover van driving means you can legally do 10 hours driving/11 hours duty 7 days a week = 77 duty including 70 driving per week
can the 77 hours duty be split into differing amounts? or is it a max of 11 hours a day
It is legally 11 hours duty IN ANY 24 HOUR PERIOD
Silly but legally this duty can be done in a 24 hour period
1 hour on
1 off
1 on
1 off
until 22 of the 24 is done then
2 off
ROG:
UK domestic regs which cover van driving means you can legally do 10 hours driving/11 hours duty 7 days a week = 77 duty including 70 driving per week
When I was driving vans we were stood down for the night at 11 hours so I guess that must be the legal limit, but yes most people do the and some if it means you can be home to bed on a night
WhiteTruckMan:
I can’t roll my eyes enough at this [zb]. The drivers hours rules are to stop drivers being exploited by unscrupulous employers and to stop drivers from working themselves to death and/or killing someone in an accident caused by fatigue. Yet there are always idiots happy and willing to push the limits, no matter where they are set.
That’s the whole point there are virtually no drivers hours rules in van/pick up haulage.
Not saying there shouldn’t be,.I know I would not do the same hours on a pick up that I did as a young keen lad, but until things change that is how it is.
Hence the answer to the o/p.
So are you saying van drivers don’t get tired? Or are you suggesting perhaps that because a van is a lighter vehicle than an artic that somehow it’s not as tiring?
Just like drink/drug driving, driving tired will kill. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But roll the dice often enough and sooner or later someone craps out.
You interpreted that from my post??
Really??
No I aint saying anything mate, I’m merely pointing out there are no drivers hours regs on Van’s.
I got the impression that you were defending the practice. Obviously in error, and I apologize.
ROG:
UK domestic regs which cover van driving means you can legally do 10 hours driving/11 hours duty 7 days a week = 77 duty including 70 driving per week
Hi rog you can only drive for a maximum of 13 days cheers Ray
OK so someone has already covered GB Domestic Hours driving rules.
You also come under the Working Time Directive (Mobile Workers) Regulations which you also cannot opt out of.
No you can’t.
Excludes breaks. If you were using tacho it would also exclude “period of availability” where you’re doing things like waiting to go on a loading bay where you’re not able to count it as rest because you may be required to start work.
Your employer
Sadly nobody is really enforcing it. That is until you end up in a accident where all of a sudden they discover the ability to check how many hours you’ve been doing. Without a tacho that can be done from a combination of timesheets and things like booking times for collections and deliveries.
Interesting point to note is that it is looking like vans 2.5t and over may have to have tachos fitted sometime in the near future.
Conor:
Interesting point to note is that it is looking like vans 2.5t and over may have to have tachos fitted sometime in the near future.
And vans over 2.5T going abroad will need to be on an International O-licence, with all the regulation that comes with that. That’s going to be a shock for some van operators
