stargazer148:
ROG:
UK domestic regs which cover van driving means you can legally do 10 hours driving/11 hours duty 7 days a week = 77 duty including 70 driving per weekHi rog you can only drive for a maximum of 13 days cheers Ray
gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … stic-rules
I cannot find the 13 day limit 
ROG:
stargazer148:
ROG:
UK domestic regs which cover van driving means you can legally do 10 hours driving/11 hours duty 7 days a week = 77 duty including 70 driving per weekHi rog you can only drive for a maximum of 13 days cheers Ray
gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … stic-rules
I cannot find the 13 day limit
Hi ROG it was an instructor when I was doing my dcpc that told me that.So it may not be true 
cheers Ray 
robroy:
It’s a bit of a dichotomy this van driving lark, you should be allowed to work as long as you want, but on the other hand the nature of the job,.and doing it that way is a conflict of interests with road safety.
I first started long distance tramping on a Transit pick up,.and by Christ as a young lad dud I blag the hours.
Did not know about the 70 hour limit that Rog mentioned, but my way would be do as much as you like, but stop short of driving too bloody tired.
And as Maoster says…Keep schtum about what you do.
Vans are subject to domestic regs.As such ‘keeping schtum’ would be no different to failing to keep an ( accurate ) record ( log books ) if you were driving a truck under ( the same ) domestic regs.
WhiteTruckMan:
I can’t roll my eyes enough at this [zb]. The drivers hours rules are to stop drivers being exploited by unscrupulous employers and to stop drivers from working themselves to death and/or killing someone in an accident caused by fatigue. Yet there are always idiots happy and willing to push the limits, no matter where they are set.
Yep knackered idiots doing more than their fair share while others are looking for work to pay the bills.
yourhavingalarf:
Driving a van…Isn’t a demotion. It’s just another job involving deliveries and collections.
I’d quite happily swap my MAN 500 for a cushy (if I could find one locally that suits me) van job.
Decent distance van work is rarer and more sought after than even distance truck work for obvious reasons.( Loads of drivers with a car licence and customers won’t send stuff far if they can possibly avoid it because of silly fuel costs.So even worse than trucks it’s loads of drops going as short distance as possible ).
To the point where as usual even sub contract self employed drivers are told they can’t pick and choose and won’t be ‘considered’ for the rare decent stuff if they refuse to do the local multi drop type zb or even try to state how many drops.
Which obviously doesn’t meet the definition of self employed.But for ‘some’ reason HMRC is selective in its enforcement and obviously a transport industry based on zb local multi drop suits the government’s agenda.
Carryfast:
Yep knackered idiots doing more than their fair share while others are looking for work to pay the bills.
Why did I read that and immediately get a mental image of a fat guy in an England top shouting from the terraces about how crap the players are?
Conor:
You also come under the Working Time Directive (Mobile Workers) Regulations which you also cannot opt out of.
I would dispute this. Drivers and crew of vehicles fitted with a tachograph (over 3.5 tonnes) come under the RT(WT)R. Can’t personally see that the RT(WT)R applies to van drivers.
The possible connection you are making may be the fact that the operator runs in-scope vehicles, but I still can’t see that drivers or mobile workers travelling solely in exempt vehicles would somehow have to comply with the provisions of the RT(WT)R.
ROG:
stargazer148:
ROG:
UK domestic regs which cover van driving means you can legally do 10 hours driving/11 hours duty 7 days a week = 77 duty including 70 driving per weekHi rog you can only drive for a maximum of 13 days cheers Ray
gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … stic-rules
I cannot find the 13 day limit
I think the 13 day limit is domestic hours on a psv.
24 hr break once in any two consecutive weeks
the maoster:
Carryfast:
Yep knackered idiots doing more than their fair share while others are looking for work to pay the bills.Why did I read that and immediately get a mental image of a fat guy in an England top shouting from the terraces about how crap the players are?
More like telling the ref to go to spec savers for turning a blind eye to a penalty. 
So here we are some doing 120 drops in a shift while others are looking for a job.Self employed but can’t pick/choose/refuse work. 
cav551:
24 hr break once in any two consecutive weeks
The clue is in the link - “drivers-hours-passenger-vehicles”. i.e. those are the rules that apply to buses and coaches, not goods vehicles.
