Steve66:
Muckaway:
Slackbladder:
Why anyone would want work 6 hrs or more without a break is beyond me.Stick it on break while handballing, get home nearly an hour quicker.
(Awaits the first jobsworth response)No one has bitten yet m8
I would never contemplate such a thing
Muckaway:
Slackbladder:
Why anyone would want work 6 hrs or more without a break is beyond me.Stick it on break while handballing, get home nearly an hour quicker.
(Awaits the first jobsworth response)
I haven’t driven trucks for a while, so have no experience of the wtd. Rather than other work, I always used to put the analogue tachos onto break instead, so I could extend my working day and earn more dosh. Sure I would find a way around the wtd too, or an employer that was happy for me (and their truck) earn more money.
Even if it meant working weekends as a a forkie or whatever, they can truly stick the wtd where the sun don’t shine as there no money in that scheme for the hard working industrious individuals out there…
I dont bother with it or about it.
pump:
thanks lads well explained. it is what i thought it was but other lads was filling me with crap.
A lot of lads (even compliance) have told me in the past it has to be 30 minutes after 6hrs, I just ignore them, take 15 (well 17) and crack on.
It’s all here - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=99021
Does anyone else think that there should be a complete overhaul of both EU Drivers’ Hours and RT(WT)R2005, and they should be ONE basic set of rules??
Surely the very fact that both pieces of legislation are so bloody complex and each can impact on the other makes it easy for a driver who is simply trying to get his job done with his boss’s boot up his ■■■, to get infringements!
ObviousRichy:
Does anyone else think that there should be a complete overhaul of both EU Drivers’ Hours and RT(WT)R2005, and they should be ONE basic set of rules??Surely the very fact that both pieces of legislation are so bloody complex and each can impact on the other makes it easy for a driver who is simply trying to get his job done with his boss’s boot up his ■■■, to get infringements!
Yes at the moment it’s a pain.
ObviousRichy:
Does anyone else think that there should be a complete overhaul of both EU Drivers’ Hours and RT(WT)R2005, and they should be ONE basic set of rules??Surely the very fact that both pieces of legislation are so bloody complex and each can impact on the other makes it easy for a driver who is simply trying to get his job done with his boss’s boot up his ■■■, to get infringements!
yes and its fairly easy because the rest rules determine a max of time that can be worked
the only addition to the 561/2006 regs would need to be a 6 hours work/break rule
What really matters to most is time on shift not working time
Put all ideas of driving time and tacho regs out of your mind for now, and just think about “working time” (which means any work, be it vehicle checks, loading, unloading and actually driving the truck).
The basic rule is that you should not work more than 6 hours without a break - and that means any six hours within your shift. As long as this break is at least 15 minutes in one continuous chunk, then the six-hour Working Time rule will be satisfied and you can regard the Working Time six-hour clock as being reset. OK?
Now, looking at the whole shift - If your total Working Time is between 6 and 9 hours, you’ll need to take total breaks (in chunks of at least 15 minutes) totalling 30 minutes or more. If your total Working Time is more than 9 hours, you’ll need to take at least 45 minutes’ break (again, in chunks of at least 15 minutes).
OK?
Now, bringing the tachograph rules into the equation, you’ll simply have to ensure that whatever breaks you take also satisfy the tacho regs (which in practice means that your first break must be at least 15 minutes, and your second break at least 30 minutes).
Thanks for that best way I’ve seen it written. DCPC was completely baffling to me as did it part of a transport resettlement course including c and C+E license. Way to much to try and take in from scratch, got books to study and the company I got a job have been great keeping me straight, but even some of the supervisors thought that the WTD only covered 6 hours and over 9 hours, ie if you do over 6 you need to take 30 min break and over 9 need to take 45. As long as you took 45 mins sometime during your shift you were OK to work upto max daily work time. Agree with some of the others it would be alot easier if we just went by one set of rules.
Move importantly, does anyone actually give a flying f about the wtd. I am more concerned with not going over 4 1/2 hrs driving. Actually i`m more concerned if I do more than 3 hours without a break!
dowahdiddyman:
Move importantly, does anyone actually give a flying f about the wtd. I am more concerned with not going over 4 1/2 hrs driving. Actually i`m more concerned if I do more than 3 hours without a break!
Unfortunately, if you work for most of the larger employers, you have to give a f.
Why people find a need to work 6 hrs without a break is beyond me 3-4 is more than enough,even trying to maintain a scheduled timed delivery
Drivers drive a vehicle not the computer the clown in the traffic office sits in front of and who takes everything the computer says as gospel.
We all know COMPUTER DRIVING that has no traffic lights, RTA`s and nobody else using the road.
Roymondo:
dowahdiddyman:
Move importantly, does anyone actually give a flying f about the wtd. I am more concerned with not going over 4 1/2 hrs driving. Actually i`m more concerned if I do more than 3 hours without a break!Unfortunately, if you work for most of the larger employers, you have to give a f.
Yes our company especially, go over the 6 hours or go over a 4.5 hour drive and both gets treated the same.
NewLad:
pump:
thanks lads well explained. it is what i thought it was but other lads was filling me with crap.A lot of lads (even compliance) have told me in the past it has to be 30 minutes after 6hrs, I just ignore them, take 15 (well 17) and crack on.
The Company I work for say it must be a minimum of 30mins break in the first 6hrs. If I only had 17mins break I’d get an infringement
06:00 - 11:55 working/driving then 17 minutes break finishing at 12:12
12:12 - 14:00 STD
I’d get an infringement for this. I wouldn’t if my break finished at 12:26
bald bloke:
Yes our company especially, go over the 6 hours or go over a 4.5 hour drive and both gets treated the same.
6 hour is internal and the 4.5 is external
Drivers have been prosecuted for the 4.5 but I do not know of any being done for the 6
toffer1974:
The Company I work for say it must be a minimum of 30mins break in the first 6hrs. If I only had 17mins break I’d get an infringement
That would be an internal company infringement against their policies and not any sort of legal infringement
