6 Hour rule WTD

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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pump:

ROG:
If the shift is from 4am to 5pm then if possible use a split driving break of 15 + 30 so that it makes the latter part of the shift as low as possible

Maybe take 15 mins at 10am then 30 mins at 11 am …

no was not talking about driving hours (4.5 hours) rog

in the first 6 hours of the shift for the WTD hours what in the minimum time i would have to stop to stay within the WTD hours?
if i did not have any pao or rest in the first 6 hours of other work/driving and still had time on my 4.5 hour driving time

15 mins for first 6 hours and at least 15 mins for any 6 hours of work in the shift

The way I suggested conforms to both driving time and RTD regs with the proviso that at no point does the driving time reach more than 4.5 hours before 11am

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that is what i thought it was rog.

is it a big offence miss the first 15min by a short bit. ie- if i started at 4am and didnt get my first 15 min till 10:30am ?

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pump:
that is what i thought it was rog.

is it a big offence miss the first 15min by a short bit. ie- if i started at 4am and didnt get my first 15 min till 10:30am ?

The authorities aint bothered but many companies will give you an infringement

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pump:
ok so you have to take at least 30min rest in your first 6hours of starting work?

NO!

Put all ideas of driving time and tacho regs out of your mind for now, and just think about “working time” (which means any work, be it vehicle checks, loading, unloading and actually driving the truck).

The basic rule is that you should not work more than 6 hours without a break - and that means any six hours within your shift. As long as this break is at least 15 minutes in one continuous chunk, then the six-hour Working Time rule will be satisfied and you can regard the Working Time six-hour clock as being reset. OK?

Now, looking at the whole shift - If your total Working Time is between 6 and 9 hours, you’ll need to take total breaks (in chunks of at least 15 minutes) totalling 30 minutes or more. If your total Working Time is more than 9 hours, you’ll need to take at least 45 minutes’ break (again, in chunks of at least 15 minutes).

OK?

Now, bringing the tachograph rules into the equation, you’ll simply have to ensure that whatever breaks you take also satisfy the tacho regs (which in practice means that your first break must be at least 15 minutes, and your second break at least 30 minutes).

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thanks lads well explained. it is what i thought it was but other lads was filling me with crap.

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Slackbladder:
Why anyone would want work 6 hrs or more without a break is beyond me.

Stick it on break while handballing, get home nearly an hour quicker. :wink:
(Awaits the first jobsworth response)

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ROG:

pump:
that is what i thought it was rog.

is it a big offence miss the first 15min by a short bit. ie- if i started at 4am and didnt get my first 15 min till 10:30am ?

The authorities aint bothered but many companies will give you an infringement

Yep. ■■■■■■■■ to the Waste of Time Directive.

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Roymondo:

pump:
ok so you have to take at least 30min rest in your first 6hours of starting work?

NO!

Put all ideas of driving time and tacho regs out of your mind for now, and just think about “working time” (which means any work, be it vehicle checks, loading, unloading and actually driving the truck).

The basic rule is that you should not work more than 6 hours without a break - and that means any six hours within your shift. As long as this break is at least 15 minutes in one continuous chunk, then the six-hour Working Time rule will be satisfied and you can regard the Working Time six-hour clock as being reset. OK?

Now, looking at the whole shift - If your total Working Time is between 6 and 9 hours, you’ll need to take total breaks (in chunks of at least 15 minutes) totalling 30 minutes or more. If your total Working Time is more than 9 hours, you’ll need to take at least 45 minutes’ break (again, in chunks of at least 15 minutes).

OK?

Now, bringing the tachograph rules into the equation, you’ll simply have to ensure that whatever breaks you take also satisfy the tacho regs (which in practice means that your first break must be at least 15 minutes, and your second break at least 30 minutes).

Almost there :wink:

As long as this break is at least 15 minutes in one continuous chunk, then the six-hour Working Time rule will be satisfied and you can regard the Working Time six-hour clock as being reset

As long as you don’t reach 2 things . 4.5hrs driving or 9hrs work.

remember POA is nether work or break , its a stop the clock area of no time …

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0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

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ObviousRichy:
0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

Strictly speaking that’s illegal, because (owing to the way the Regs are worded) the only legal options once you reach 4.5 hours’ driving are Break or Rest. If you stopped driving with 4h 29m on the clock (rather than going all the way to 4h 30m) then you’d be OK working for a bit longer before completing your 45.

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Roymondo:

ObviousRichy:
0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

Strictly speaking that’s illegal, because (owing to the way the Regs are worded) the only legal options once you reach 4.5 hours’ driving are Break or Rest. If you stopped driving with 4h 29m on the clock (rather than going all the way to 4h 30m) then you’d be OK working for a bit longer before completing your 45.

Also worked 6 hrs before a break so tech should have stopped at 5.59 :wink:

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Roymondo:

ObviousRichy:
0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

Strictly speaking that’s illegal, because (owing to the way the Regs are worded) the only legal options once you reach 4.5 hours’ driving are Break or Rest. If you stopped driving with 4h 29m on the clock (rather than going all the way to 4h 30m) then you’d be OK working for a bit longer before completing your 45.

There is nothing in the rules to say you cannot carry out other work after driving 4.5hrs.

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nick2008:

Roymondo:

ObviousRichy:
0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

Strictly speaking that’s illegal, because (owing to the way the Regs are worded) the only legal options once you reach 4.5 hours’ driving are Break or Rest. If you stopped driving with 4h 29m on the clock (rather than going all the way to 4h 30m) then you’d be OK working for a bit longer before completing your 45.

Also worked 6 hrs before a break so tech should have stopped at 5.59 :wink:

Perfectly legal to work 6 hours, the break is needed after

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ObviousRichy:

Roymondo:

ObviousRichy:
0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

Strictly speaking that’s illegal, because (owing to the way the Regs are worded) the only legal options once you reach 4.5 hours’ driving are Break or Rest. If you stopped driving with 4h 29m on the clock (rather than going all the way to 4h 30m) then you’d be OK working for a bit longer before completing your 45.

There is nothing in the rules to say you cannot carry out other work after driving 4.5hrs.

> Breaks and driving limits
> Breaks
> After a driving period of no more than 4.5 hours, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes unless he takes a rest period.

think that says it all

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Muckaway:

Slackbladder:
Why anyone would want work 6 hrs or more without a break is beyond me.

Stick it on break while handballing, get home nearly an hour quicker. :wink:
(Awaits the first jobsworth response)

No one has bitten yet m8
:smiley:

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Steve66:

Muckaway:

Slackbladder:
Why anyone would want work 6 hrs or more without a break is beyond me.

Stick it on break while handballing, get home nearly an hour quicker. :wink:
(Awaits the first jobsworth response)

No one has bitten yet m8
:smiley:

:open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: missed that one :wink: :wink:

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nick2008:

Roymondo:

ObviousRichy:
0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

Strictly speaking that’s illegal, because (owing to the way the Regs are worded) the only legal options once you reach 4.5 hours’ driving are Break or Rest. If you stopped driving with 4h 29m on the clock (rather than going all the way to 4h 30m) then you’d be OK working for a bit longer before completing your 45.

Also worked 6 hrs before a break so tech should have stopped at 5.59 :wink:

Not so. The Regs clearly state "7. (1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break. " Note the use of the words “more than”. So you can legally work 6 hours (but no more) without a break.

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nick2008:

ObviousRichy:

Roymondo:

ObviousRichy:
0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

Strictly speaking that’s illegal, because (owing to the way the Regs are worded) the only legal options once you reach 4.5 hours’ driving are Break or Rest. If you stopped driving with 4h 29m on the clock (rather than going all the way to 4h 30m) then you’d be OK working for a bit longer before completing your 45.

There is nothing in the rules to say you cannot carry out other work after driving 4.5hrs.

> Breaks and driving limits
> Breaks
> After a driving period of no more than 4.5 hours, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes unless he takes a rest period.

think that says it all

Excellent - Can I do this then?

0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work
0615 - 0815 - Driving
0815 - 0845 - Other work
0845 - 1045 - Driving
1045 - 1130 - Other work
1130 - 1200 - Driving

Your answer will be YES.

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Roymondo:

nick2008:

Roymondo:

ObviousRichy:
0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

Strictly speaking that’s illegal, because (owing to the way the Regs are worded) the only legal options once you reach 4.5 hours’ driving are Break or Rest. If you stopped driving with 4h 29m on the clock (rather than going all the way to 4h 30m) then you’d be OK working for a bit longer before completing your 45.

Also worked 6 hrs before a break so tech should have stopped at 5.59 :wink:

Not so. The Regs clearly state "7. (1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break. " Note the use of the words “more than”. So you can legally work 6 hours (but no more) without a break.

yeah but you just know that Bittch of a digi will round it up to 6hrs and 1 flippin min :wink:

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ObviousRichy:
0600 Start shift
0600 - 0615 - Other work - Daily vehicle first use checks
0615 - 0845 - Driving - Drive to drop 1
0845 - 0930 - Other work - Assist unload
0930 - 1130 - Driving - Drive to drop 2
1130 - 1200 - Other work - Assist unload
1200 - 1215 - Break
1215 - 1445 - Other work - Assist reload
1445 - 1515 - Break
1515 - 1830 - Driving - Drive back to base
1830 - 1845 - Other work - Paperwork
1845 End shift

Here’s a drivers hours schedule. I’d be interested to know if any of you think this is illegal, and why?

legal if driving time did not get to exactly 4.5 hours at 1130