albion1971:
If people drove properly in the first place these horrible accidents would not happen.
Albion, you really are a disgrace to the human race. You don’t know the circumstances as to what happened, so do everyone a favour and keep off the keyboard…MORON.
Sorry you are wrong and I am not a disgrace to anyone.
Please tell me why you have a problem with me because I want drivers to drive safely?
You see them everyday driving like lunatics and they are usually the ones that cause the bad accidents.
I have every sympathy for any road victim and their relatives but I have absolutely no sympathy for bad drivers.
So please tell me what your real problem is?
IMO the prob is you have no facts about what happened so have assumed the driver that sadly lost there life was at fault! Without fact/proof you have no right to point blame, you are however intitled to your opinion, but a little tact where lost of life is concerned wouldn’t go a miss.
albion1971:
If people drove properly in the first place these horrible accidents would not happen.
Albion, you really are a disgrace to the human race. You don’t know the circumstances as to what happened, so do everyone a favour and keep off the keyboard…MORON.
Sorry you are wrong and I am not a disgrace to anyone.
Please tell me why you have a problem with me because I want drivers to drive safely?
You see them everyday driving like lunatics and they are usually the ones that cause the bad accidents.
I have every sympathy for any road victim and their relatives but I have absolutely no sympathy for bad drivers.
So please tell me what your real problem is?
IMO the prob is you have no facts about what happened so have assumed the driver that sadly lost there life was at fault! Without fact/proof you have no right to point blame, you are however intitled to your opinion, but a little tact where lost of life is concerned wouldn’t go a miss.
I never said I knew the facts.I never assumed anything.All I said was that if people drove properly these accidents would not happen.
It it such a crime not to want people to to be hurt and killed■■?
Others on here have criticised the ambulance staff without knowing the facts but nobody mentions that.
Hypocritical or what?
albion1971:
If people drove properly in the first place these horrible accidents would not happen.
Albion, you really are a disgrace to the human race. You don’t know the circumstances as to what happened, so do everyone a favour and keep off the keyboard…MORON.
Sorry you are wrong and I am not a disgrace to anyone.
Please tell me why you have a problem with me because I want drivers to drive safely?
You see them everyday driving like lunatics and they are usually the ones that cause the bad accidents.
I have every sympathy for any road victim and their relatives but I have absolutely no sympathy for bad drivers.
So please tell me what your real problem is?
IMO the prob is you have no facts about what happened so have assumed the driver that sadly lost there life was at fault! Without fact/proof you have no right to point blame, you are however intitled to your opinion, but a little tact where lost of life is concerned wouldn’t go a miss.
I never said I knew the facts.I never assumed anything.All I said was that if people drove properly these accidents would not happen.
It it such a crime not to want people to to be hurt and killed■■?
Others on here have criticised the ambulance staff without knowing the facts but nobody mentions that.
Hypocritical or what?
The facts maybe being withheld on purpose.
Whatever they are it scares me if you can really be 28 mins from help on a major road.
Particularly with the awful standard of driving these days.
albion1971:
If people drove properly in the first place these horrible accidents would not happen.
Albion, you really are a disgrace to the human race. You don’t know the circumstances as to what happened, so do everyone a favour and keep off the keyboard…MORON.
Sorry you are wrong and I am not a disgrace to anyone.
Please tell me why you have a problem with me because I want drivers to drive safely?
You see them everyday driving like lunatics and they are usually the ones that cause the bad accidents.
I have every sympathy for any road victim and their relatives but I have absolutely no sympathy for bad drivers.
So please tell me what your real problem is?
IMO the prob is you have no facts about what happened so have assumed the driver that sadly lost there life was at fault! Without fact/proof you have no right to point blame, you are however intitled to your opinion, but a little tact where lost of life is concerned wouldn’t go a miss.
I never said I knew the facts.I never assumed anything.All I said was that if people drove properly these accidents would not happen.
It it such a crime not to want people to to be hurt and killed■■?
Others on here have criticised the ambulance staff without knowing the facts but nobody mentions that.
Hypocritical or what?
How do you know if the vehicle in front might have just broken down and suddenly lost power? Do you think of things like that rather then saying a driver was driving like a ■■■ and is to blame?
Pure example of how this country is going with people like this. To busy pointing the blame on others very sad life
Jamieg:
Was this the one where a truck hit a jcb on the A 421?
yes it was.
irregardless who was at fault and im not trying to put the blame on anyone, but the fact at such a serious accident and my mate gave them exact location and also that all 3 emergency services were needed and it took 28 minutes for somebody to arrive.
if somebody had got shot they would have been there quicker.
Silver_Surfer:
Brings it home how badly it can all go horribly wrong at any time.
To be fair to the emergency services, I don’t think 28 minutes is that bad a response time, I appreciate that’s no solace to the chap in distress & your mate but time can slow down when you’re stressed which may have made it seem longer at the time.
28 minutes is a massive amount of time in an emergency-i had to wait about five minutes for the police /ambulance when i was involved in a serious accident,it seemed like a ■■■■■■■ lifetime.must have been even worse for the bloke with the broken hip…
If you read the comments, you can see it wasnt as reported
im being a bit cagey with what I know due to I don’t want the family google searching and coming up with this topic and also my mate who is the witness is a member who is a known on here.
Karen is right the lorry did hit the jcb, the jcb was trundling along minding his own business.
i read about this on another forum and as someone who roads a jcb some fair distances (emergency callout) i have had some close shaves
and it is a big concern more so at night
thoughts go out to the family , RIP
As I read it the Scana lorry hit a JCB which was travelling in the same direction. The JCB driver died.
28 minutes must seem like a lifetime when someone is seriously injured or worse dying in front of you. There will undoubtedly be an investigation as to why it took that long and there will be most likely be a logical reason why.
I can see where Albion is coming from in that we shouldn’t be relying on the Emergency Services to save life’s. We should be addressing the root cause which is generally poor driving and poor attitude by drivers.
Still scary to think that it took that long to get help.
albion1971:
If people drove properly in the first place these horrible accidents would not happen.
Albion, you really are a disgrace to the human race. You don’t know the circumstances as to what happened, so do everyone a favour and keep off the keyboard…MORON.
Sorry you are wrong and I am not a disgrace to anyone.
Please tell me why you have a problem with me because I want drivers to drive safely?
You see them everyday driving like lunatics and they are usually the ones that cause the bad accidents.
I have every sympathy for any road victim and their relatives but I have absolutely no sympathy for bad drivers.
So please tell me what your real problem is?
IMO the prob is you have no facts about what happened so have assumed the driver that sadly lost there life was at fault! Without fact/proof you have no right to point blame, you are however intitled to your opinion, but a little tact where lost of life is concerned wouldn’t go a miss.
I never said I knew the facts.I never assumed anything.All I said was that if people drove properly these accidents would not happen.
It it such a crime not to want people to to be hurt and killed■■?
Others on here have criticised the ambulance staff without knowing the facts but nobody mentions that.
Hypocritical or what?
How do you know if the vehicle in front might have just broken down and suddenly lost power? Do you think of things like that rather then saying a driver was driving like a ■■■ and is to blame?
I already know Albion’s answer to that - you should always be driving with enough distance between you and the vehicle in front to be able to react.
So if someone pulls in front of you, then suddenly loses power - then that will be your fault for not slamming on and increasing the distance between you and them - and then when you cause an accident behind you, that will also be your fault.
There’s no use arguing it - there are no accidents in Albion’s world - only inept truck drivers. And don’t you forget it!
mickyblue can you read? Do you understand English?..I NEVER SAID ANYONE WAS TO BLAME…Please try to read and understand before you comment.
grumpybum I have been driving truck for many years.I know exactly what goes on.I have had plenty situations happen.
So are you telling me that most truck drivers keep a safe distance? You seem to be making excuses for bad driving.
It is easy to imagine who are the good drivers and who are the bad ones on here.
Attitude says a lot about a driver.
albion1971:
mickyblue can you read? Do you understand English?..I NEVER SAID ANYONE WAS TO BLAME…Please try to read and understand before you comment.
grumpybum I have been driving truck for many years.I know exactly what goes on.I have had plenty situations happen.
So are you telling me that most truck drivers keep a safe distance? You seem to be making excuses for bad driving.
It is easy to imagine who are the good drivers and who are the bad ones on here.
Attitude says a lot about a driver.
Albion can you read? Do you understand English?..I NEVER SAID MOST TRUCK DRIVERS KEEP A SAFE DISTANCE…Please try to read and understand before you comment.
If you think you can tell who are the good drivers by how they type on a keyboard, then I care very little about your opinions on my driving and attitude. Maybe you should inform the driver trainers and assessors at major transport companies of your findings - it could save an awful lot of fuel, time and accidents.
It’s a situation that can only get worse with cut backs in A and E services and fire services having a knock on effect on ambulance and ambulance crew availability and the location of fire fighting vehicles to provide adequate coverage.There are loads of blackspots where I wouldn’t like to be waiting for an emergency vehicle.Let alone the implications of journey times to the nearest A and E and specialist medical capabilities when they do arrive.Such as here in Surrey where we’ve effectively lost all medical coverage in the North to London’s needs with most of Epsom’s serious trauma capabilities having been transferred to St Helier near Croydon and Sutton which leaves a massive black hole between Guildford hospital in central Surrey and Kingston hospital in what was the North of the County which is now mostly crowded out with the casualties of South West London.While even that can’t handle many types of serious injuries which require onward transfer to St Georges which is even further into London.Which really makes the South West section of the M25 somewhere where no one would really want to need such emergency services to arrive in a hurry with probably air ambulance services being the only realistic alternative.
Which leaves the question of fire station provision and coverage for the same area and resulting journey times remembering that fire service vehicles don’t use the wrong side of a motorway to get to accidents which although possibly close to stations like Cobham would still mean running to the next junction to turn round and return on the correct side.While all of that example is in a relatively less remote part of the country than many other areas.
In addition to which can be added the issues of elf and safety culture in relation to high speed emergency vehicle driving and the shift in priority from speed of such vehicles to economy.Which is why we’ve now got slow lumbering diesel powered ambulances instead of our previous fast Leyland and later American Chevrolet V8 petrol powered ones.
albion1971:
mickyblue can you read? Do you understand English?..I NEVER SAID ANYONE WAS TO BLAME…Please try to read and understand before you comment.
grumpybum I have been driving truck for many years.I know exactly what goes on.I have had plenty situations happen.
So are you telling me that most truck drivers keep a safe distance? You seem to be making excuses for bad driving.
It is easy to imagine who are the good drivers and who are the bad ones on here.
Attitude says a lot about a driver.
Albion can you read? Do you understand English?..I NEVER SAID MOST TRUCK DRIVERS KEEP A SAFE DISTANCE…Please try to read and understand before you comment.
If you think you can tell who are the good drivers by how they type on a keyboard, then I care very little about your opinions on my driving and attitude. Maybe you should inform the driver trainers and assessors at major transport companies of your findings - it could save an awful lot of fuel, time and accidents.
Bloody ell its hard goin on here! I never said that you said that most trucks keep a safe distance.If you care to look there is a question mark which means I asked you a question…JEEEEEEZ…give me stength.
Also I never said I could tell.I said it is easy to imagine.A little different I think.Tell you what though I can tell there are a few that cannot stand plain bloody english.
God I need a drink…off to the pub and holidays 2 morrow…
albion1971:
"mickyblue can you read? Do you understand English?..I NEVER SAID ANYONE WAS TO BLAME…Please try to read and understand before you comment.
grumpybum I have been driving truck for many years.I know exactly what goes on.I have had plenty situations happen.
So are you telling me that most truck drivers keep a safe distance? You seem to be making excuses for bad driving.
It is easy to imagine who are the good drivers and who are the bad ones on here.
Attitude says a lot about a driver.
albion1971:
ell its hard goin on here! I never said that you said that most trucks keep a safe distance.If you care to look there is a question mark which means I asked you a question…JEEEEEEZ…give me stength.
Tell you what though I can tell there are a few that cannot stand plain bloody english God I need a drink…
So enlighten me as to what you were inferring?
I can “stand plain bloody English” but can you write it? And yes, you most certainly do need a drink.
Yes 28 mins does seem too long a time to wait for emergency services to appear, but, and some have already said, the reasons are many fold. The main one being there are just not enough resources available especially concerning the Ambulance Service, this service is the poor relation of the three emergency services and suffers because of this. They are country wide stretched to the limit and it doesn’t help when most of the time ambulance crews are dealing with 999 calls that are anything but and while dealing with these, real emergency’s cannot be attended to by these crews.
The public also has to get away from the ridiculous ideas that crews won’t attend because they are having breaks, only put blue lights on to get through busy traffic and are hurrying to get back for their dinner! My younger brother is a Paramedic and was one day called to an RTC (Road Traffic Collision, I’ll come back to that one) where a guy had been hit by and run over by a vehicle sustaining severe head injuries, he done what he could but needed the equipment and aid carried by an ambulance to keep the casualty alive. It was 40 mins before a crew could attend despite my brother calling back to control several times for an eta, each time being told they had no amulances available, they were all out on calls. Unfortunately the guy died (unlikey in this case he would have been saved due to his injuries) and there was nothing further our kid could do to keep him alive. Was this incident in a small rural town or village, no it was in a major Midlands city and about 200 metres from the city hospital.
Very sad and also frustrating and depressing for my brother but unfortunately not uncommon today. The pressure the ambulance service is under in particular is huge. Our busy road systems and unaware drivers also compound the problem. I’m on call this week for the Fire Service and have only just got back from attending a call where in some instances my blue lights etc had no effect on the drivers in front, one guy in particular either had no idea I was there or just didn’t care, however in general most drivers are quick to react.
This is no real comfort to those that have had to wait for what seems an age for help to arrive especially when a relative or friend is involved, the point about people being First Aid trained is a very good one, I think all drivers should have a basic knowledge and this sort of training should be included as much as the CPC, H&S, Hazardous subtances etc courses that companies send drivers on.
Someone can do a lot to save the life of a casualty if first on the scene if they have the knowledge until trained help arrives.
Finally, Albions point seems to be if drivers were more careful there would be less injuries and deaths on our roads (only he didn’t put it quite the same). Not deemed accidents anymore but collisions, indicating that there is always someone or something to blame (his point), which to be honest is true if thought about logically. All the more reason to be 100% on the ball when out on the road, nobody wants a persons death pinned to them and blaming the emergency services for not saving a life when this life had been put in jeapody by someone’s fault, dangerous act or ommision in the first place isn’t really what we should be directing our anger at. Stay safe out there!
Finally, Albions point seems to be if drivers were more careful there would be less injuries and deaths on our roads (only he didn’t put it quite the same). Not deemed accidents anymore but collisions, indicating that there is always someone or something to blame (his point), which to be honest is true if thought about logically. All the more reason to be 100% on the ball when out on the road, nobody wants a persons death pinned to them and blaming the emergency services for not saving a life when this life had been put in jeapody by someone’s fault, dangerous act or ommision in the first place isn’t really what we should be directing our anger at. Stay safe out there!
An occasional member of the bike riding gang of rogues, vagabonds & ne’er do wellers I ride out with is an ambulance paramedic. To say he is stressed out is an understatement. The problems that the ambulance service are facing have mostly been manufactured by successive governments, coupled to an unbelievably incompetant management structure.
The absolutely last thing these folk on the front line need is the publics false perception of their jobs, created through the gutter press by the people who have caused the problems in the first place.
Somebody is trying really hard to totally screw up our Ambulance service & nobody seems to be bothered why !
Pure example of how this country is going with people like this. To busy pointing the blame on others 
