switchlogic:
Carryfast:
While drivers don’t generally get paid for rest periods even when staying with the truck.It’s a catch 22.
I’ve never worked for (and never would) a company that doesn’t pay at least something for weekly rest periods taken on the road, including those taken while waiting for a back load. At Virginia sometimes we might wait 2/3 days for a reload in Hungary and we’d be paid a daily rate. Longest I ever waited was 5 days in Italy in August and guess what? They paid me. If they want me to take a 24 or 45 or more down road they pay me for it, after all its being done to accommodate their needs so it’s not much to ask imo
Is that example exactly the same thing as a 3 drop run let’s say start at 7 am the 2 nd drop is booked in for 3 pm and the 3rd drop can’t be delivered before 2 or 3 pm the following day ?.So in reality just an extended daily rest period not a 3 day wait for a return load.
So next time the guvnor says it’s a 15 hour shift involving 9 drops to make the money up.Good move.
robroy:
The fact that you were available for work and in their employment
Bearing in mind that the guvnor could use exactly the same argument to say that he wants the driver to max out the legal hours and wants 9 drops done in a shift not two today and one tomorrow.Oh and if the driver get back to the yard early he has to work in the warehouse to make his hours up.The result being more money at the end of the week but a probably a lower hourly rate and more work done in an hour.Be careful what you wish for.
You said drivers ‘don’t generally get paid for rest periods’ and I simply answered with my experience that they do.
switchlogic:
You said drivers ‘don’t generally get paid for rest periods’ and I simply answered with my experience that they do.
Agreed, Carry is advocating a zero hours contract mentality, where because it suits the company to send you 200/500 miles away and park you up for 24 hours, unpaid, to suit their plans, it’s suddenly acceptable.
Carry old mate it isn’t acceptable, i thought you were an old fashioned union man, on proper firms with solid unions these sorts of ■■■■ takes were negotiated away donkeys years ago, but you seem to be agreeing it’s ok for a company to stand their driver down as not needed that day…but without the chance to bugger off home for the period, or to seek alternative employment, might as well be on an agency as accept that.
Juddian:
Carry old mate it isn’t acceptable, i thought you were an old fashioned union man, on proper firms with solid unions these sorts of ■■■■ takes were negotiated away donkeys years ago
‘‘Negotiated away donkeys years ago’’ as you say, and then readily handed back on a plate around 10 yrs ago or earlier, by the next generation of the working class.
A result of anti union propaganda, and of when the younger generations were drip fed snippets in schools, in a successful brainwashing campaign, teaching anti Union rhetoric in Modern History lessons.
Ok that sounds (even to me 
) like ■■■■■■■■, or some far fetched conspiracy theory, but just look at the evidence. 
Even on here from time to time, just look at some of the reactions of disgust from some on here, if anybody advocates getting union help after somebody is shafted, …the same ones who fail to see that those working for union firms are on far superior t.s and c.s to those who are not.
Some of the scams and moves taken against employees by firms, and especially drivers, never cease to amaze me, …as well as those who just take it.
Robroy, tell me about it.
I feel sorry for so many of the people who left full time edukashun in the last 20 years especially, with notable exceptions they now have no fight or will in them, seemingly no independent thought process, no alternative ideas, no sense of reason or justice or injustice unless it towards one of the BBC approved minority identity groups of the hour.
They do not seem to know who they are, nor whom their genuine allies are, they can’t see that alone and with no backbone they are picked off one by one to suit by the latest pointy shoed gelled hair new age management type…they’re working class but it doesn’t compute with them.
Tell you what’s missing from the union meetings now, on proper companies that is with the t’s and c’s you allude to, the younger generation…oddly the same ones who are happy to trouser the benefits of the t’s and c’s others have negotiated on their behalf , but can’t see that unless they do their part and start to pick up the union/negotiating reins as the oldies retire, then the good terms they currently enjoy without having put anything in will fade into nothing together with those oldies.
switchlogic:
You said drivers ‘don’t generally get paid for rest periods’ and I simply answered with my experience that they do.
3 days ain’t exactly an extended ‘daily’ rest period but 24 hours is.
While as I said let’s just say that I’d rather work for a guvnor who says do 2 drops today and you’ll be finished by 4 pm.But we’ve got to wait until 3 pm tomorrow to do the 3rd drop.Call it an extended daily rest period.Than the guvnor who says there’s 9 drops and if you get finished and back early you can make up your hours helping out in the yard or the warehouse and you’ve got a reduced daily rest to spare.
Fairly acedemic as to what you would rather seeing as you don’t have a Licence and haven’t worked this century 
Juddian:
Carry old mate it isn’t acceptable, i thought you were an old fashioned union man,
I am and that’s why I think that what’s being called for in this case opens up a can of worms.
On that note I worked in a strong union environment ironically with a watertight job and finish agreement.In which I even got overtime for doing an extra run like a local bulk night trailer collection from Simon Elvin at Wycombe on top of the trunk run allocated.Often to the point where I could still be finished in well under 9 hours from my start time but still get one or two hours overtime for it.
By the same standard I’m bleedin sure that if I ran out of hours on the way back from Dewsbury etc and had to park up and take a daily rest ( seldom if ever ) that wouldn’t have been a case of getting ( or expecting ) overtime during that rest period.
I don’t see much difference in this case but do see the situation in which moaning about not being paid,for what is just an extended daily rest period here,could create numerous issues which I’ve described.Just as moaning about being laid off without pay could in numerous industries even with the strongest of unions.
IE sometimes it’s better to pick your fights wisely.