24 hours on the Hard Shoulder?

This can’t be right… Can it ■■?

On my way home from work yesterday about 7pm I saw a foreign registered artic on the hard shoulder, complete with a couple of warning triangles behind him…
This morning at 4am, he’s still there… Hazard flashers on but no lights…
I’ve just come by this evening, and the lorry is still there although the trailer has gone…

How has this guy not been moved off by the HA ■■ When I was broken down on the motorway, and the fitters eta was 3hrs, they were going to get me towed off with a minimum cost of £350… One rule for us I guess…

Abandoned, relief driver didn’t turn up, gone home for the weekend, owner gone ■■■■-up??

zaax:
Abandoned, relief driver didn’t turn up, gone home for the weekend, owner gone ■■■■-up??

Doubt he’d abandon it on the hard shoulder would he ■■ the truck must have been pulled from under the trailer sometime today…no hazards on in the day, but they are at night… I’m thinking the driver is still with the truck…

Even so, why have the authorities allowed this truck, manned or not, to remain on the hard shoulder for over 24 hrs ■■

the reason it’s still there is because the drivers boss won’t pay a mechanic to come out and fix it and he will also not pay for it to be towed off the motorway. The same thing happens when Vosa park up one of these East euro lorrys because of a defect, the boss won’t pay to have it fixed and vosa won’t let it move until it’s road legal so it could be sat for weeks even with a load on that someone is waiting on.

Right… Well, thanks for that… lets hope nobody runs into it then…

Kate:
Right… Well, thanks for that… lets hope nobody runs into it then…

This is genuinely what happens. Ask a vosa officer next time you see one. The reason you or I will be moved and charged for it is because vosa know we will pay but these foreign operators will not pay a cent and will let their driver go to jail over it without thinking twice.

jay0:

Kate:
Right… Well, thanks for that… lets hope nobody runs into it then…

This is genuinely what happens. Ask a vosa officer next time you see one. The reason you or I will be moved and charged for it is because vosa know we will pay but these foreign operators will not pay a cent and will let their driver go to jail over it without thinking twice.

Not disputing what you’re saying…Just surprised they’ve left him in a vulnerable position…
I feel sorry for the driver…no facilities or naff all…

The HA would first need to know that he’s there, patrols no longer “Patrol” but are deployed to incidents as they come in, meanwhile they have to park up at ‘approved’ park-up points. All to save money on the fuel bills, Mr Cameron said we hadn’t to spend so much on fuel. In fact there are certain parts of the network that just wouldn’t see a HATO from day - day unless they’re sent to an incident there.
There are some parts of the motorway network that don’t belong to the HA, but the local authority, so HATO would certainly not travel on those, (Granted only small stretches of network)

Never mind HATO, they are only there to “manage” sorry disrupt traffic as best they can and surely VOSA wouldn’t be interested.
Why the hell hasn’t the police moved him on, to at least the nearest exit, or if he has broken down enforce a recovery. If it comes down to a problem with payment, then surely they could impound the truck, the trailer, or both.
The police/authorities in Europe wouldn’t think twice about impounding to ensure payment, they certainly wouldn’t allow a vehicle to stay on the hard shoulder for that amount of time.

Problem being Pierrot, once the recovery truck has moved the vehicle to where it is to be impounded who pays that wrecker? If the haulier won’t pay and the police (quite rightly) won’t pay the recovery Co will not be happy having to wait until the vehicle is auctioned before they get any money for using their (possibly 200 grand plus) piece of kit to move it.

No offence,Kate, but did you stop and ask the driver if he needed water or food, the UK sends supplies and money to Nepal earthquake victims, but does not care about a stranded driver in a foreign country.
What if he has run out of medicine ?Or is ill on the bunk.
He could wiped out by a lorry crashing in to him and should be in a hotel or safe place.

Kate:
This can’t be right… Can it ■■?

On my way home from work yesterday about 7pm I saw a foreign registered artic on the hard shoulder, complete with a couple of warning triangles behind him…
This morning at 4am, he’s still there… Hazard flashers on but no lights…
I’ve just come by this evening, and the lorry is still there although the trailer has gone…

How has this guy not been moved off by the HA ■■ When I was broken down on the motorway, and the fitters eta was 3hrs, they were going to get me towed off with a minimum cost of £350… One rule for us I guess…

White Scania unit on the M54? I saw that today about 1pm

I thought it was the wombles Job to clear litter and junk off the highway?

the maoster:
Problem being Pierrot, once the recovery truck has moved the vehicle to where it is to be impounded who pays that wrecker? If the haulier won’t pay and the police (quite rightly) won’t pay the recovery Co will not be happy having to wait until the vehicle is auctioned before they get any money for using their (possibly 200 grand plus) piece of kit to move it.

Few years ago chatting to a foreign registered fridge lad broke down on M6 Cheshire he finally sorted recovery for about 1 and a half days later, he was them lifted and shifted by statutory recovery in about an hr.

I have seen others there a few hours as some people try and be flexible but if it goes t!ts up their ass, job and everything else will be on the line.

Go past at night, if no lights on it, call 101 and report an unlit vehicle on hard shoulder. police will then respond or send a womble. I would have had it moved a long time ago in my area. :smiley:

Kate,
If you have concerns about the trucks/drivers location or about the safety and welfare , why not contact the Police on 101 or the Highways England (formerly HA ) on 0300 123 5000. :wink: . If they dont know about it - how can it be sorted :question:
:arrow_right: Biffo is correct, the Highways no longer Routinely patrol, apparently :unamused:

I managed to be on the hard shoulder for nearly 5hrs before a wobble turned up, then an hour later one of our companies low loaders turned up with a new unit so we did the swap and off I went. They were happy enough with us doing that instead of paying loads of money to be towed into the services.

Any recovery should be dealt with within a few hours. I can understand in remote areas it taking longer.
Had one before Xmas on the M5 sat in the same place for a min 8 hrs at a busy junction and HW knew about it.

The rules for having vehicles statutory removed from the network are quite straight forward.
If the vehicle is in a live running lane (fully or partly) and cannot be moved to the h/s or safer area, then it’s immediately stat recovered once HATO arrives on scene.
If the vehicle is on a ‘Nodel point’ (Sensitive location, would possibly be a high risk for terrorism hit - certain viaducts / motorway interchanges) it can also be immediately stat recovered, although we don’t tend to do so.
After an RTC if the drivers recovery cannot get there quickly enough. (some insurance companies are absolutely useless to deal with, believe me!)
If it is apparent that the driver has no chance of any sort of assistance attending within the 2 hour rule, and doesn’t have the means to roadside join a recovery service.
If the vehicle has been abandoned it will be given 2 hours from when we first know about it, then it can be removed.
During the hours of darkness if there are no lights on the vehicle it can be immediately stat recovered, but usually HATO will put cones & lights behind the vehicle once drivers own recovery ETA is confirmed acceptable, and it’s fully on the h/s.

Anything in a live running lane will get reported to either the HA or police (Who in turn send it to the HA) and will be attended to as above.
Anything on h/s, will start the clock running once we know about it, and 2 hours will be allowed before sending HATO to check on it.

A driver that informs us that they’ve broken down via an SOS phone, we’ll call his recovery / company for him, and arrange their attendance, it does focus the attention of company transport manager, when you tell him that they have 2 hours to attend, often they think they have all the time in the world. All recovery companies are aware of the 2 hour rule, and 99.9% of the time we don’t have a problem with them.

If a HA stat recovery operator attends, and also the drivers recovery actually arrives on scene, unless the vehicle is partly loaded up, the drivers own recovery can take it. The HA will then have to pay for the stat recovery turning out.

All stat recoveries for being over the 2 hour rule depends on the availability of HATO being able to attend. RTC’s, and live lane incidents take preference, so it can go well over 2 hours sometimes before a HATO is freed up to attend. HATO has to be on scene to request stat recovery.
The 2 hour rule actually states that the vehicle can be removed once 2 hours is up, in practice once the times goes over that, HATO goes back to the vehicle and orders stat recovery unless we can contact the drivers recovery and it’s imminent. The ETA for the HA recovery is usually 30 - 45 mins, so the vehicle will have been there going on 3 hrs minimum before it’s actually lifted.

Vehicles get reported to us via police, breakdown operators, members of public, CCTV, HATO on route to / returning from, a live lane job, that’s when the log is made and the clock starts.

If its a breakdown then how did they drop the trailer (presumably so someone else can pull it)?