As secretelephant says get rid of the junk that obscures vision.There was a fatal accident at a x roads near me. The signage could be placed a metre back from the road so that drivers could actually see what is happening.I ride my bike to work most days as the distance is less than a mile a car would just be more clutter in the yard.
It’s patently obvious as to what’s been happening to roads in the past few years, local councils are under orders to make life as difficult as possible for motorists in the urban/semi-urban envionment. Whether these diktats come from central govenment or just from the bearded, sandal wearing, meusli eating local politicians ( and that’s just the women!) I couldn’t say. We can all come up with examples I’m sure, bus stops that jut out into the road instead of a layby, traffic lights replacing give way signs etc. Just near me is road that joins another at a slight angle up to a give way sign, visibilty is fantastic, look to the right as you approach, adjust your speed to the traffic approaching, then pull out onto the road, simple…been like it for 50 years or more, so what did the council do?..yup, came along and plonk an 8 ft fence to your right so now you can’t see anything on the road until you are 5 ft from the give way line. 
. I can see why they’ve done it, obviously to try and slow traffic approaching the junction, but what’s happening in the real world is it’s making a relatively safe junction more dangerous because people don’t always do what they’re supposed to. In order to make people try and slow down they’re actually putting vulnerable road users at risk, cyclists, pedestrians etc, it’s all fine and dandy if it works, but there’s always those who carry on as normal, then someone gets hurt. In this particular case I’d say the sign definitely didn’t help matters, the council probably put it there to cause a lack of vision in the vain hope of slowing approaching vehicles, what we’ve seen here is what happens when it doesn’t work. Both were very lucky.
Coddy:
Both were in the wrong, cyclist nor the tanker slowed down for the Give way line, and both had poor lane discipline…50/50
Having said that tanker pays, fuel tax, Road tax, Insurance etc, cyclist just thinks he owns the road…
Erm, not that old ■■■■■■■■ again.
Cyclist was already on the roundabout when truck came onto it, now we’ve all approached a roundabout and looked and committed and then there’s been something there, usually a car comes flying up towards the side of us with their horn blaring, but they’ve usually either joined the roundabout after us or gone round with no indicator on.
Personally I think the cyclists positioning sucked a bit considering the exit he took off the roundabout, but other than that it was the tanker drivers fault and I’d have been chasing the ■■■■■■ down the road, chances are there’d have been a set of lights not far away to put his trailer brake on and kick the crap out of him.
Just checked out the clip 
Tell me…how difficult actually is it to remove “unwanted and unexpected stains” from skin tight,flourescent lycra then 
I am inclined about the sabotage by councils. Look at all the roundabouts in the UK. So many of them have botanical gardens in the middle which cuts your visability and ability to judge traffic to zero. And the stupid positioning of signs and other clutter make it really difficult.
I really cannot imagine that the driver deliberately drove across in front of the cyclist. You can see how fast the cyclist is going and the tanker wasn’t hanging about. It would have been obvious to any driver that an impact was inevitable if both kept going and I will not accept that any driver would do that on purpose.
The tanker could see the roundabout was clear, I imagine, because he couldn’t, or didn’t see the cyclist. In that position we would all keep going, wouldn’t we?
I stand by my initial comment, a very nasty accident was avoided. It could have been avoided sooner had the cyclist judged that the tanker either couldn’t see him or was, God forbid, ignoring his presence, but that wouldn’t have made for a good video which may well get ads put on it and net the cyclist a few quid to buy his next camera.
Just as a point of interest, some people, and this cyclist strikes me as one of these, go out of their way to put themselves in risky situations because they have the camera stuck to their helmets. The cyclist (I will not use his name as I think he is a dork) has ads on his videos and is paid per click. If you play with fire, be prepared to singe your fingers.
Highlander:
Just been looking at the comments on that cyclists forum,and one of them posted this.The tanker drivers view of that junction.Could it be possible that the road sign hid the cyclist from view?
maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=g64+4la … 00862&z=20
Agreed, that could be part of the problem, ■■■■■■ sign positioning BUT, if you can’t see, assume it ISN’T clear is the rule isn’t it?
And still, as said before, we all make mistakes and will continue to do so, a quick acknowlegement / sorry can deflame a situation pretty quick
JoeG:
Tramper:
Bicycles are OK for children, if as an adult you choose to ride on the road, you ought to contibute. The argument that a bicycle causes little or no damage to the road is irrelevant as the tax charged on cars isn’t ring fenced to be used exclusively on the roads. As for insurance, you as a CTC member and therfore insured are in a huge minority. Grow up, cease being a danger to all other legitimate road users, get on the bus if your skint or preferably buy a car.
Ok, first off you talk rubbish in the first bit. Read what i say again.
VW Polo Blue Motion and some Seat Economic or whatever does not pay road tax, with a few other cars.
I have insurance.
I can afford a car, my bikes are worth alot of money. Im not skint.
I just dont want to be a fatty that pays a stupid amount to go to the gym, to not do much, to then drive back home
Now, if you feel like taking any of this is. The main bit to take in is:
VW POLO BLUE MOTION DOES NOT PAY ROAD TAX AS IT PRODUCES UNDER 35G OF CO2 PER KM. IF A CAR PRODUCES UNDER THIS THEN YOU DO NOT PAY TAX.Alright?
Actually, I think it’s 99g/km… But point stands
Tramper:
So, lessons to be learned…instead of spending your money on fancy head cams and skin tight clothes best left in the ■■■ department, save it up and buy a car.Oh, and while we’re on the subject…as this country is in the finacial toilet at present, isn’t it about time that these two wheeled freeloaders were Taxed and Insured, it’s a rich revenue stream which has as yet been untapped.
Hmm, I have a car, a motorcycle, and a pushbike.
I cycle to keep fit and go and see my mates that are under 10 miles from my house rather than taking the car (only in decent weather mind)
I pay tax and insurance on both my car and my motorbike, isn’t that enough considering I can only use 1 vehicle at a time??
waynedl:
Tramper:
So, lessons to be learned…instead of spending your money on fancy head cams and skin tight clothes best left in the ■■■ department, save it up and buy a car.Oh, and while we’re on the subject…as this country is in the finacial toilet at present, isn’t it about time that these two wheeled freeloaders were Taxed and Insured, it’s a rich revenue stream which has as yet been untapped.
Hmm, I have a car, a motorcycle, and a pushbike.
I cycle to keep fit and go and see my mates that are under 10 miles from my house rather than taking the car (only in decent weather mind)
I pay tax and insurance on both my car and my motorbike, isn’t that enough considering I can only use 1 vehicle at a time??
No. Even if you have a car and pay road tax then as soon as you go on your push bike you lose all rights, respect and are a freeloader for not paying any tax on your bicycle. When your also out on your bike you have no clue, cant afford a car, and havent got a driving licence.
Step off your bike into your normal clothes and tadarrrrrrrr, your good again 
Tramper:
I’m sure that it’s a lot more complicated than this, but as I see it the main reason for the reduced rate of taxation for the cars you quote is the ridiculous green guilt felt by the middle classes and propagated by this government. The fact still remains that cyclists ought to contribute by way of taxation, whats your problem whith that, are you just another free loader?
No. Its not.
And no, im not a free loaded.
The fact is certain cars dont pay road tax, electric cars are another one that dont pay road tax. Its all simple and goes on CO2. That is why cars that produce more Co2 pay more road tax then cars that dont. Or have you never noticed that? Or are you one of those with no tax or insurance
And I don’t actually think it’s road tax anymore - as has been pointed out in a comment, it’s now VED (Vehicle Excise Duty) and is based on the co2 of modern vehicles (and the assumption of co2 on older ones) 
waynedl:
And I don’t actually think it’s road tax anymore - as has been pointed out in a comment, it’s now VED (Vehicle Excise Duty) and is based on the co2 of modern vehicles (and the assumption of co2 on older ones)
Quite right.
The money that goes into the roads comes from your local taxes IIRC.
waynedl:
Tramper:
So, lessons to be learned…instead of spending your money on fancy head cams and skin tight clothes best left in the ■■■ department, save it up and buy a car.Oh, and while we’re on the subject…as this country is in the finacial toilet at present, isn’t it about time that these two wheeled freeloaders were Taxed and Insured, it’s a rich revenue stream which has as yet been untapped.
Hmm, I have a car, a motorcycle, and a pushbike.
I cycle to keep fit and go and see my mates that are under 10 miles from my house rather than taking the car (only in decent weather mind)
I pay tax and insurance on both my car and my motorbike, isn’t that enough considering I can only use 1 vehicle at a time??
Well it ought to be, and it’s always been a bone of contention with me, however, as I stated in an earlier post, the VED is not ring fenced for use in motoring related issues. If it were, the electorate would have recourse to complain about having more than one vehicle taxed at a time, whilst only being able to utilise one at a time. The Road Fund Licence seems to have been superceeded by the Vehicle Excise duty (Disclaimer for the Pedantic…I’m not sure as to the accuracy of this statement which is why I use the word seems) This being the case, it cannot fail to follow that the bicycle cannot nor should be afforded any further exemption. I believe that if any political party were to have enough gumption to call for a cycle tax, the majority of right thinking people would support it whole heartedly.
Along with the massive revenue which would be gathered in from such a duty, the provision of number plates issued to bicycles would serve as a huge deterant to cyclists from breaking the law. The majority of cyclists have skant regard for the rules of the road to which they believe they have every right to use free of charge, riding on pavements, Ignoring all traffic signs including traffic lights, all of which comes with impunity as there is no way to trace the culprits. Things need to change, and regulation is one way to combat the problem whilst gaining much needed revenue.
(This post was being written whilst your replies were posted, so we agree on some points i.e RFL/VED but we still disagree on the fact that by not contrbuting financially, cyclists are freeloaders, and I guess we’ll never agree that cyclists are a desperatly dangerous menace on our roads (but I am right!) 
Tramper:
waynedl:
Tramper:
So, lessons to be learned…instead of spending your money on fancy head cams and skin tight clothes best left in the ■■■ department, save it up and buy a car.Oh, and while we’re on the subject…as this country is in the finacial toilet at present, isn’t it about time that these two wheeled freeloaders were Taxed and Insured, it’s a rich revenue stream which has as yet been untapped.
Hmm, I have a car, a motorcycle, and a pushbike.
I cycle to keep fit and go and see my mates that are under 10 miles from my house rather than taking the car (only in decent weather mind)
I pay tax and insurance on both my car and my motorbike, isn’t that enough considering I can only use 1 vehicle at a time??
Well it ought to be, and it’s always been a bone of contention with me, however, as I stated in an earlier post, the VED is not ring fenced for use in motoring related issues. If it were, the electorate would have recourse to complain about having more than one vehicle taxed at a time, whilst only being able to utilise one at a time. The Road Fund Licence seems to have been superceeded by the Vehicle Excise duty (Disclaimer for the Pedantic…I’m not sure as to the accuracy of this statement which is why I use the word seems) This being the case, it cannot fail to follow that the bicycle cannot nor should be afforded any further exemption. I believe that if any political party were to have enough gumption to call for a cycle tax, the majority of right thinking people would support it whole heartedly.
Along with the massive revenue which would be gathered in from such a duty, the provision of number plates issued to bicycles would serve as a huge deterant to cyclists from breaking the law. The majority of cyclists have skant regard for the rules of the road to which they believe they have every right to use free of charge, riding on pavements, Ignoring all traffic signs including traffic lights, all of which comes with impunity as there is no way to trace the culprits. Things need to change, and regulation is one way to combat the problem whilst gaining much needed revenue[./quote]
Why??
Kids ride bikes, it’s the only way really for a kid to get around, so they should have to pay tax on them■■?
Get real
As I’ve said, I personally ride for a bit of fitness, being an ex-bus / coach driver come hgv driver, something had to be done, so cycling it was / is.
I follow most rules, ie speed limits, traffic lights etc. Sure, you’ll get those that don’t, but you get that in all walks of life.
waynedl:
Why??Kids ride bikes, it’s the only way really for a kid to get around, so they should have to pay tax on them■■?
Get real
As I’ve said, I personally ride for a bit of fitness, being an ex-bus / coach driver come hgv driver, something had to be done, so cycling it was / is.
I follow most rules, ie speed limits, traffic lights etc. Sure, you’ll get those that don’t, but you get that in all walks of life.
Kids wouldn’t pay anything, would they, UK taxpayers are all of adult age, so phrases such as get real really have no place in an adult discussion do they? Your physcal fitness again has no relevance as whether you utilise your bicycle as transportation or as part of a healthy regime is not of the concern of HMRC. I commend you on your abilty not to stray outside the rule of law, but unfortunately you are in the minority, a drive through any large city (especially London) will bare testiment to that.
P.S I’d be hugely impressed if you couuld regularly flout the speed limits on a bike (with the execption of going down massive hills )
Tramper:
waynedl:
Tramper:
So, lessons to be learned…instead of spending your money on fancy head cams and skin tight clothes best left in the ■■■ department, save it up and buy a car.Oh, and while we’re on the subject…as this country is in the finacial toilet at present, isn’t it about time that these two wheeled freeloaders were Taxed and Insured, it’s a rich revenue stream which has as yet been untapped.
Hmm, I have a car, a motorcycle, and a pushbike.
I cycle to keep fit and go and see my mates that are under 10 miles from my house rather than taking the car (only in decent weather mind)
I pay tax and insurance on both my car and my motorbike, isn’t that enough considering I can only use 1 vehicle at a time??
Well it ought to be, and it’s always been a bone of contention with me, however, as I stated in an earlier post, the VED is not ring fenced for use in motoring related issues. If it were, the electorate would have recourse to complain about having more than one vehicle taxed at a time, whilst only being able to utilise one at a time. The Road Fund Licence seems to have been superceeded by the Vehicle Excise duty (Disclaimer for the Pedantic…I’m not sure as to the accuracy of this statement which is why I use the word seems) This being the case, it cannot fail to follow that the bicycle cannot nor should be afforded any further exemption. I believe that if any political party were to have enough gumption to call for a cycle tax, the majority of right thinking people would support it whole heartedly.
Along with the massive revenue which would be gathered in from such a duty, the provision of number plates issued to bicycles would serve as a huge deterant to cyclists from breaking the law. The majority of cyclists have skant regard for the rules of the road to which they believe they have every right to use free of charge, riding on pavements, Ignoring all traffic signs including traffic lights, all of which comes with impunity as there is no way to trace the culprits. Things need to change, and regulation is one way to combat the problem whilst gaining much needed revenue.
(This post was being written whilst your replies were posted, so we agree on some points i.e RFL/VED but we still disagree on the fact that by not contrbuting financially, cyclists are freeloaders, and I guess we’ll never agree that cyclists are a desperatly dangerous menace on our roads (but I am right!)
No, your a buffoon.
What doesnt seem to getting to you is that VED is worked out by how much Co2 is produced. Cyclists dont produce enough Co2, like other cars. They dont pay tax for riding.
Cyclists are just dangerous, look at that person in the HGV. I bet you drive like that dont you, you sound like you might be the type to
Tramper:
waynedl:
Why??Kids ride bikes, it’s the only way really for a kid to get around, so they should have to pay tax on them■■?
Get real
As I’ve said, I personally ride for a bit of fitness, being an ex-bus / coach driver come hgv driver, something had to be done, so cycling it was / is.
I follow most rules, ie speed limits, traffic lights etc. Sure, you’ll get those that don’t, but you get that in all walks of life.
Kids wouldn’t pay anything, would they, UK taxpayers are all of adult age, so phrases such as get real really have no place in an adult discussion do they? Your physcal fitness again has no relevance as whether you utilise your bicycle as transportation or as part of a healthy regime is not of the concern of HMRC. I commend you on your abilty not to stray outside the rule of law, but unfortunately you are in the minority, a drive through any large city (especially London) will bare testiment to that.
WA[ZB]
Joe , your really not worth the time to reply. Have fun on your BMX.
Tramper:
Joe , your really not worth the time to reply. Have fun on your BMX.
Look deary, your wrong with MOST things you say. You dont seem to be capable of reading correctly. Your now going to rtry and ignore me as i have proved your wrong and you are a t…
But nevermind, ill just sit here and laugh at you
What is worrying is you drive a lorry(maybe, do you really? Or do you just wish you did, or pretend you do?)
Tramper:
waynedl:
Why??Kids ride bikes, it’s the only way really for a kid to get around, so they should have to pay tax on them■■?
Get real
As I’ve said, I personally ride for a bit of fitness, being an ex-bus / coach driver come hgv driver, something had to be done, so cycling it was / is.
I follow most rules, ie speed limits, traffic lights etc. Sure, you’ll get those that don’t, but you get that in all walks of life.
Kids wouldn’t pay anything, would they, UK taxpayers are all of adult age, so phrases such as get real really have no place in an adult discussion do they? Your physcal fitness again has no relevance as whether you utilise your bicycle as transportation or as part of a healthy regime is not of the concern of HMRC. I commend you on your abilty not to stray outside the rule of law, but unfortunately you are in the minority, a drive through any large city (especially London) will bare testiment to that.
P.S I’d be hugely impressed if you couuld regularly flout the speed limits on a bike (with the execption of going down massive hills
My comment about kids was aimed at your comment that bikes should pay tax, have number plates etc.
I have mates who (patiently) ride with me who can regularly break speed limits on the road, they don’t, but on a national speed limit road, they’re regularly topping 40+mph and then waiting for me later on - this gives them the ability to break a 30mph speed limit.
I don’t think I’m the minority of law abiding cyclists, I just think that they’re noticible (like busses, trucks, taxi’s etc) so when 1 does something wrong, it’s always BLOODY CYCLISTS / TRUCK DRIVERS / BUS DRIVERS / TAXI DRIVERS etc… Hmm stereotyping, lovely and so close to other bigotry such as racism, sexism etc
waynedl:
Tramper:
waynedl:
Why??Kids ride bikes, it’s the only way really for a kid to get around, so they should have to pay tax on them■■?
Get real
As I’ve said, I personally ride for a bit of fitness, being an ex-bus / coach driver come hgv driver, something had to be done, so cycling it was / is.
I follow most rules, ie speed limits, traffic lights etc. Sure, you’ll get those that don’t, but you get that in all walks of life.
Kids wouldn’t pay anything, would they, UK taxpayers are all of adult age, so phrases such as get real really have no place in an adult discussion do they? Your physcal fitness again has no relevance as whether you utilise your bicycle as transportation or as part of a healthy regime is not of the concern of HMRC. I commend you on your abilty not to stray outside the rule of law, but unfortunately you are in the minority, a drive through any large city (especially London) will bare testiment to that.
P.S I’d be hugely impressed if you couuld regularly flout the speed limits on a bike (with the execption of going down massive hillsMy comment about kids was aimed at your comment that bikes should pay tax, have number plates etc.
I have mates who (patiently) ride with me who can regularly break speed limits on the road, they don’t, but on a national speed limit road, they’re regularly topping 40+mph and then waiting for me later on - this gives them the ability to break a 30mph speed limit.
I don’t think I’m the minority of law abiding cyclists, I just think that they’re noticible (like busses, trucks, taxi’s etc) so when 1 does something wrong, it’s always BLOODY CYCLISTS / TRUCK DRIVERS / BUS DRIVERS / TAXI DRIVERS etc… Hmm stereotyping, lovely and so close to other bigotry such as racism, sexism etc
Stop it, he will stop replying to you in abit
Stereotyping has always been something i find funny. Lorry drivers moaning about stereotyping about them, but will happily stereotype everyone else.