I was once an owner driver and have both national and international CPCs and have been told that they are unusable so if i want i could in theory own and run my own vehicle but not drive it without my driver CPC.An industry that has stood this country well for many years is now being zbked up by some mindless Euro ■■■■■■■ and we are letting it happen (please come the revolution).
phil the book:
I was once an owner driver and have both national and international CPCs and have been told that they are unusable so if i want i could in theory own and run my own vehicle but not drive it without my driver CPC.An industry that has stood this country well for many years is now being zbked up by some mindless Euro [zb] and we are letting it happen (please come the revolution).
The revolution will never come as long as the Industry is run by spineless Management like Scarab that will do nothing to stick up for their main Asset “Drivers”
The cost to them is going to be just as bad, but can you hear any of them saying anything.
When they cannot get drivers because they do not possess a card that allows them to drive a vehicle they have been licenced to, maybe they will wake up.
It is time though for Drivers to show just a bit of back bone, but be nice to be backed up by the Industry.
johnno:
Scarab:
The ones that say they’ll throw the towel in are either all talk, too stupid to fail the un-failable tests, or going to be so old when it comes round that they are ready for the scrapheap by then!Or
These are the drivers that are not willing to be pushed again into spending their hard earned wages on training that is no benefit.
That’s a load of baloney. Attitudes like that belong in the stone ages and a millstone round the neck of this industry.
If you’re smart, (like me), you can get the CPC for nothing and no driver knows absolutely everything about the job. There is always something new to learn.
Some Drivers are at least voicing an opnion
Tell that to the job centre when you sign on then, if you don’t complete the training…you won’t have a job.
clarkyboy:
from reading some posts on here and other forums and hearing the talk on the yard alot of people seem to be saying that theyre going to give up driving in 2014…now is this just talk or do you think people will actually throw the towel in■■? or will it be the difference of being in work or out of work and them having to bite the bullit and complete the training…what effects do you think thiswill have on the industry???may we then have the “driver shortage” which we dont have now and might it push the hourly rates/wages up.
whilst looking through the jobcentre site today one job stated “must have dcpc” and will this be the case that employers are going to insist on this beetween now and 2014 and the people having it will have the edge over those that dont■■?your opinions please
andy
Now I’m not sure, but I would think that it is illegal to insist that job applicants have a CPC, as they are not officially required until 2014. I believe it would be counted as discrimination against qualified drivers who have not as yet completed the CPC course. Also, any employer asking for CPC quaified drivers at this stage, are only likely to get applications from new drivers, as the vast majority have only partially completed the CPC course, or not even started it yet. Had i seen that job in my job centre, I would have taken it up with them.
truckerjon:
clarkyboy:
from reading some posts on here and other forums and hearing the talk on the yard alot of people seem to be saying that theyre going to give up driving in 2014…now is this just talk or do you think people will actually throw the towel in■■? or will it be the difference of being in work or out of work and them having to bite the bullit and complete the training…what effects do you think thiswill have on the industry???may we then have the “driver shortage” which we dont have now and might it push the hourly rates/wages up.
whilst looking through the jobcentre site today one job stated “must have dcpc” and will this be the case that employers are going to insist on this beetween now and 2014 and the people having it will have the edge over those that dont■■?your opinions please
andy
Now I’m not sure, but I would think that it is illegal to insist that job applicants have a CPC, as they are not officially required until 2014. I believe it would be counted as discrimination against qualified drivers who have not as yet completed the CPC course. Also, any employer asking for CPC quaified drivers at this stage, are only likely to get applications from new drivers, as the vast majority have only partially completed the CPC course, or not even started it yet. Had i seen that job in my job centre, I would have taken it up with them.
A driver who is out of work, will do themselves no harm whatsoever by getting their CPC now. It’s dog-eat-dog in the job market and any advantage you can get over anybody else, will make you more employable.
This is how I got my last two jobs…I had my CPC. I said to both employers, ‘you don’t have to pay for it and you don’t even have to give me time off work to do the CPC’.
The CPC put me ahead of other drivers and got me the job.
it looks like i will have to pay for this, but my employer is doing reduced rates, so i won’t have to fork out too much,as said on this thread british drivers just roll over and take the zb, from whoever gives it, its times like this and i mean right now, that i wish i was french, just look what is happening right now in france, they get upset about about anything and its down tools, and its about bleeding time that we should do the same.
truckerjon:
clarkyboy:
from reading some posts on here and other forums and hearing the talk on the yard alot of people seem to be saying that theyre going to give up driving in 2014…now is this just talk or do you think people will actually throw the towel in■■? or will it be the difference of being in work or out of work and them having to bite the bullit and complete the training…what effects do you think thiswill have on the industry???may we then have the “driver shortage” which we dont have now and might it push the hourly rates/wages up.
whilst looking through the jobcentre site today one job stated “must have dcpc” and will this be the case that employers are going to insist on this beetween now and 2014 and the people having it will have the edge over those that dont■■?your opinions please
andy
Now I’m not sure, but I would think that it is illegal to insist that job applicants have a CPC, as they are not officially required until 2014. I believe it would be counted as discrimination against qualified drivers who have not as yet completed the CPC course. Also, any employer asking for CPC quaified drivers at this stage, are only likely to get applications from new drivers, as the vast majority have only partially completed the CPC course, or not even started it yet. Had i seen that job in my job centre, I would have taken it up with them.
Wrong, the reason we (drivers who already had their licences) don’t have to complete the dCPC till 2014 is because we have grandfather rights. So, we HAVE the dCPC already and can apply for that job.
waynedl:
truckerjon:
clarkyboy:
from reading some posts on here and other forums and hearing the talk on the yard alot of people seem to be saying that theyre going to give up driving in 2014…now is this just talk or do you think people will actually throw the towel in■■? or will it be the difference of being in work or out of work and them having to bite the bullit and complete the training…what effects do you think thiswill have on the industry???may we then have the “driver shortage” which we dont have now and might it push the hourly rates/wages up.
whilst looking through the jobcentre site today one job stated “must have dcpc” and will this be the case that employers are going to insist on this beetween now and 2014 and the people having it will have the edge over those that dont■■?your opinions please
andy
Now I’m not sure, but I would think that it is illegal to insist that job applicants have a CPC, as they are not officially required until 2014. I believe it would be counted as discrimination against qualified drivers who have not as yet completed the CPC course. Also, any employer asking for CPC quaified drivers at this stage, are only likely to get applications from new drivers, as the vast majority have only partially completed the CPC course, or not even started it yet. Had i seen that job in my job centre, I would have taken it up with them.
Wrong, the reason we (drivers who already had their licences) don’t have to complete the dCPC till 2014 is because we have grandfather rights. So, we HAVE the dCPC already and can apply for that job.
sorry guys it didnt say MUST it said it would be in their advantage
I was talking to a friend of mine on Saturday. He told me about his Dad, who is 67 years old. He had been told that he had to do a drivers course in economical driving in order to continue working. This course was given by someone who did not have a licence, had never driven a truck in his life, but had done a “course”.
So this muppet is able to stop drivers with 40 years of experience from driving, despite being comp0letely inexperienced and unqualified for the job he is actually teaching. The same, it seems, is true of all this CPC stuff. Some “trained” person is going to tell all the drivers that they are wrong, he is right and that is that.
OK, so take it a little further. In a couple of years time, if you do something wrong and it is shown you acted contrary to the CPC regs, what happens? Do you find yourself being arrested for being in contravention? Do you find yourself uninsured?
It is so bogus as to be scary.
In answer to the OP… I left the UK because of digi tachos and the WTD. Both were, and are, wrong and do not allow me to work as hard as I choose, which is the general rule of capitalism. If you seriously think, with that in mind, that I would give in to this sort of nonsense then you must be mad… I would have hung the keys up by now.
I’m with you Doggy boy, I sold my lorries (all euro3) before LEZ legislation made them obsolete and worthless, the WTD put a serious dent into the productivity of my company, my drivers were ok, I had to keep their money the same as they were worth keeping, but it didn’t help me one bit, tachos didn’t bother me, the old customs that you, I and many others grew up with are not possible anymore with current enforcement, especially over the water, so I accepted that, it would’ve been nicer if rates had gone up once all the ‘cowboys’ were eliminated, but alas, that never happened, but this CPC nonsense is ridiculous, I would’ve accepted it, not exactly much of a choice is there? TBH I would’ve made sure whichever company I worked for paid, both for the course and the time I spent doing it, the type of companies I’ve worked for in the past would’ve done this, of that I’m sure, but what about agency drivers and those that work for firms that would not? It’s a ■■■■ take, typical of any government programme, whether it’s a left or right wing government, whenever they stick their oar in, it’s a fiasco
There’s an old saying too, those that can, do, those that can’t, teach That’s exactly what this CPC will be, a load of self important ‘instructors’ reading text from a handbook
i think ill do something worthwhile to get my cpc, do my hiab and adr, least i could get something that i can mayby use instead of sitting (sleeping) in a classroom
My situation is this;
I have been a DSA RLGV instructor with an excellent pass rate for class 2 and 1 drivers.
I am FTA accrecited class 1 assessor.
Scania Driver instructor certified, and fuel efficency trained
Terburg Driver Instructor.
EFAD Qualified emergency service driver (blues & twos!)
ADR
Manual handling and Health & Safety instructor.
30+ years of driving various sizes of trucks in UK and europe.
Worked for major UK companies as training manager or instructor.
Workrd in driver recruitment in UK and Europe.
Assessed and Trained (with a capital T) drivers from eastern europe.
I have been driver assessed by so many companies, i can’t remember.
as agency, worked for most major, and some small firms in the south of england.
BUT I still have to sit in a classroom and listen to somebody who has never driven a truck telling me incorrect information and I have to pay for it!
All the above count for nothing. I have tried to get work training, but because I don’t have the new NVQ training qualification, nobody wants to know. I have offered to pay for the NVQ training myself if someone wolud take me on as an instructor, but it’s easier to take someone who already has it.
It is sad because I enjoy driving, if not all the bull that goes with it, but i can’t see me bothering with the CPC. If the industry and our government are willing to let people like me, with a wealth of experience, leave the industry because we don’t have a bit of plastic, then I’m not sure i want to be in the indusrty after 2014 anyway.
Remember, you can’t TEACH experience.
now say this situation arised,
room full of old hands/ with a wealth of experience
and the trainer who has a bit of plastic.
wouldnt it just fall to {zb} if the people he was meant to be teaching pretty much told him how things are done?
gogzy:
i think ill do something worthwhile to get my cpc, do my hiab and adr, least i could get something that i can mayby use instead of sitting (sleeping) in a classroom
That is one of the problems, most of these worthwhile courses don’t count towards a CPC. I would be more than happy to pay If I were gaining something from it, but most of the courses I’ve seen are the usual tacho, WTD, safed courses.
truckerjon:
gogzy:
i think ill do something worthwhile to get my cpc, do my hiab and adr, least i could get something that i can mayby use instead of sitting (sleeping) in a classroomThat is one of the problems, most of these worthwhile courses don’t count towards a CPC. I would be more than happy to pay If I were gaining something from it, but most of the courses I’ve seen are the usual tacho, WTD, safed courses.
im sure you can get them for hiab/adr but you gotta pay like 75 quid extra or something for “admin” fees aparently lol.
The problem with the cpc is everything was planned on how to make money 
No consultation with the Industry or the people it involves and no consideration how best to bring it in to make things better.
They should have looked at how best to provide the training from suitably qualified instructors and not open the door to anyone with £1500 to become a so “called trainer”
Anyone can become a trainer after 4 days or just on recommendation. 
This is a job where you learn from those more experienced and doing the job, and most learn all their working lifes every day picking up new hints and tips.
Would you buy a tele that does not work, so why pay for training that is no benefit. 
johnno:
phil the book:
I was once an owner driver and have both national and international CPCs and have been told that they are unusable so if i want i could in theory own and run my own vehicle but not drive it without my driver CPC.An industry that has stood this country well for many years is now being zbked up by some mindless Euro [zb] and we are letting it happen (please come the revolution).The revolution will never come as long as the Industry is run by spineless Management like Scarab that will do nothing to stick up for their main Asset “Drivers”
The cost to them is going to be just as bad, but can you hear any of them saying anything.
When they cannot get drivers because they do not possess a card that allows them to drive a vehicle they have been licenced to, maybe they will wake up.
It is time though for Drivers to show just a bit of back bone, but be nice to be backed up by the Industry.
Scarab has said he pays his drivers more than a fully quallified intensive care nurse wth six years experience which shows he values his drivers, he could get away with paying them a fair whack less!
He has also said that if he can afford it, he will pay for the drivers CPC for them. The drivers CPC has already been implemented, no amount of moaning is going to change that. I’m a critic of the training but only for people who already have the licence, I think it’s worth having as part of your initial test to get a HGV licence.
All this “rally the troops & start a revolution” talk is a bit over the top…
Call me a cynic, but over the past forty years the means of obtaining a C+E (formerly HGV1) licence has gone from taking one driving test, whether from scratch or having passed the car test first to taking three practical tests, plus theory tests, plus dcpc. Has the standard of driving improved? I don’t think so. It is simply a means of revenue for the government coffers.
I accept that some of the legislation comes from the EU but our lawmakers dictate the prices and also benefit from registration fees, VAT etc. Basically “a good little earner”
Yes, it’s the “educonomy”, enormous numbers of non-jobs being created in order to reduce unemployment figures.
gogzy:
now say this situation arised,
room full of old hands/ with a wealth of experience
and the trainer who has a bit of plastic.
wouldnt it just fall to {zb} if the people he was meant to be teaching pretty much told him how things are done?
Hiya I,ll tell what happens. everyone keeps their mouth shut!! try to make him think he knows it all. the day goes quicker
and you go home thinking what a bad day i had…
When I,ve been at Shell we have safty talks, we have to listen to this chap.(he calls him self the safty officer)loads of dosh.
HE asks the room full of 50/60 year old men HAVE YOU EVER COME IN CONTACT WITH PETROL OR DIESEL we all sit their
looking blank and shaking our heads in a no movement. he must think you lying load of B…ds.because nealy every one has
blown dirt out of motorcycle jets.syphoned petrol out of cars for there motorbikes.I,ve nicked diesel out of my truck
syphoned into a 5 gall can. all he wants to hear is no we never did that…Even he,s done it but would,nt tell us.
Do as i say not as i do.
Good luck
John