from reading some posts on here and other forums and hearing the talk on the yard alot of people seem to be saying that theyre going to give up driving in 2014…now is this just talk or do you think people will actually throw the towel in■■? or will it be the difference of being in work or out of work and them having to bite the bullit and complete the training…what effects do you think thiswill have on the industry???may we then have the “driver shortage” which we dont have now and might it push the hourly rates/wages up.
whilst looking through the jobcentre site today one job stated “must have dcpc” and will this be the case that employers are going to insist on this beetween now and 2014 and the people having it will have the edge over those that dont■■?
The ones that say they’ll throw the towel in are either all talk, too stupid to fail the un-failable tests, or going to be so old when it comes round that they are ready for the scrapheap by then!
There are probably just as many that said it at the introduction of Tacho’s, Digitacho’s and will be the same people who refuse a job if there’s a location tracker in the cab.
Its what the job will be, and those that enjoy being on the road and love doing it will still do it, even if it does mean a few hours being taught to ■■■■ eggs every few months.
Scarab:
The ones that say they’ll throw the towel in are either all talk, too stupid to fail the un-failable tests, or going to be so old when it comes round that they are ready for the scrapheap by then!
You forgot “or not mug enough to pay out £800 to be told how to do a job they have been doing for 25 years by someone who has never done it, to be allowed to do a job which nowadays offers worse pay and conditions than shelf stacking”.
clarkyboy:
from reading some posts on here and other forums and hearing the talk on the yard alot of people seem to be saying that theyre going to give up driving in 2014…now is this just talk or do you think people will actually throw the towel in■■? or will it be the difference of being in work or out of work and them having to bite the bullit and complete the training…**what effects do you think thiswill have on the industry???may we then have the “driver shortage” which we dont have now and might it push the hourly rates/wages up.**whilst looking through the jobcentre site today one job stated “must have dcpc” and will this be the case that employers are going to insist on this beetween now and 2014 and the people having it will have the edge over those that dont■■?
your opinions please
andy
In the coming years, work will not be as readily availabe as years gone by. There will be plenty of people willing to train to drive and do the cpc or whatever to simply have a job. There will also be a lot of people who are now unemployed who will be looking for work as there is an attack on the levels of benfefits right now. Also, many will choose to work longer due to reduced pensions/savings. The last couple of decades weren’t the norm. That’s my opinion.
Scarab:
The ones that say they’ll throw the towel in are either all talk, too stupid to fail the un-failable tests, or going to be so old when it comes round that they are ready for the scrapheap by then!
Or
These are the drivers that are not willing to be pushed again into spending their hard earned wages on training that is no benefit.
You will be the first to say thankyou if something gets done, but like many in the industry you will just bend over and take anything thrown at them.
This is why drivers are treated like crap, because you sit on the fence, moan and groan but aint got the balls to stand up and do anything, yes sir no sir three bags full.
Scarab:
The ones that say they’ll throw the towel in are either all talk, too stupid to fail the un-failable tests, or going to be so old when it comes round that they are ready for the scrapheap by then!
Or
These are the drivers that are not willing to be pushed again into spending their hard earned wages on training that is no benefit.
You will be the first to say thankyou if something gets done, but like many in the industry you will just bend over and take anything thrown at them.
This is why drivers are treated like crap, because you sit on the fence, moan and groan but aint got the balls to stand up and do anything, yes sir no sir three bags full.
Some Drivers are at least voicing an opnion
I’m with you Johnno,paying to do the job you’ve been doing for 20/30 years.No extra pay for the privilige and no Tests to sort the ones who know what they are doing and those who don’t
In two days time, we have the announcements on the 80 bn public spending cuts and this will give us a fair idea of how bad the economy is going to get. Personally, I do not consider it worth spending the money to get this licence at the moment.
Scarab:
The ones that say they’ll throw the towel in are either all talk, too stupid to fail the un-failable tests, or going to be so old when it comes round that they are ready for the scrapheap by then!
There are probably just as many that said it at the introduction of Tacho’s, Digitacho’s and will be the same people who refuse a job if there’s a location tracker in the cab.
Its what the job will be, and those that enjoy being on the road and love doing it will still do it, even if it does mean a few hours being taught to ■■■■ eggs every few months.
I can see scarab that you are potentialy getting ready to take your place behind a desk somewhere i have been a driver for quite some time and in that time and i welcomed the tacho to stop bent running i also have a digicard and know how to use that as for trackers well you can fix any thing in time .But a driver CPC i cannot see the point to me this is a clever way to heap more responcability on the driver i think this is being done so that if you or any one gets stopped for any reason and a fault is found in hours or mechanical you are solely at fault the companies will not have to worry about losing there O licence or anything else it will be all the drivers fault and he will suffer accordingly ie bigger fines ,loss of jobs you are a driver as we all are young or old dont welcome every thing with open arms as sometimes it bites you in the bum.
My point is that we don’t have enough drivers willing to get together and collectively make a change to this, so what choice is there?
In the big scheme of things Its only a couple of hundred quid a year, I’d probably only be spending it on ■■■■ and take aways. If its what it takes to keep my license then I’ll do it.
My girlfriend is a Nurse, at least once a month she has to attend training sessions to keep her registration, that costs us about £50 a time in costs. One of my best friends is a lawyer and he has to pay hundreds a year in books and resources to keep him at the top of his game. A mate who’s an electrician is right now away on a course, costing several hundred quid.
Every profession has its ways of sapping at your cash, we’re just lucky its taken so long to do it. Yes its not going to teach us anything but its not going to go away, so get used to it.
I don’t sit behind a desk, I run a medium size international import company and my drivers are one of my top concerns, I know because I spend as much time on the road as I can doing the same job as everyone else on here. I’m a driver first and foremost. I know that those who work for me are worried about the costs of the CPC and if as a company we can afford them then I’ll fork out, but I didn’t pay to put my drivers through the test, so should I really have to for the CPC? I’d say no, but I will anyway.
Scarab:
My girlfriend is a Nurse, at least once a month she has to attend training sessions to keep her registration, that costs us about £50 a time in costs.
How does her hourly rate work out, compared to that which you pay your drivers?
Your drivers are paid considerably more than average then, in general a nurse’s pay locally starts at around £11 an hour. For drivers on £6 or £7 an hour it it probably more of a struggle.
Hiya…I don,t know if this makes you feel better or worse, My brother is 55 he has worked on cars all his life
and has got a small setup with his mate. HEAR goes he has been told he has to attend a 1 weeks course that
enables him to leagally repair cars. The cost is IICR £2000 and he looses a weeks ernings at i should think is
£250…£300 a day. so why did he serve a apprenticeship…I wonder if the back street garages down Hackney way
will bother .IT seems the govenments have a money grabbing scam on.They call ours a cpc they,re not going
to make us take driving test again are they.I suppose its like the gas certificate…and the electric certificate.
It seems to me IF your willing to work PAY for the pleasure…I,am 59 3/4 (not 60 yet) i,ll perhaps give the CPC a
miss.would you… I,ve just thought is,nt the plumbing/gas certificate about £7000 if you do a home study
I don,t know what the renewal cost is.
Cheers john
i like my job which is just as well as the firm i work for are paying for it , but i’ve never really thought about having to pay for it out of my own pocket , unfortunately it’s not a case of get enough drivers together to make it a void decision , it’s an EU wide legislation , the days of sticking together , which we never did anyway are not applicable in this case
Scarab:
My point is that we don’t have enough drivers willing to get together and collectively make a change to this, so what choice is there?
Exactly
You will sit back and do nothing and then complain about those that at least have the balls to “Try”
so what choice is there?
A good start would be to grow some balls and stick up for what you believe instead of sitting back and just accepting it.
You say you employ drivers, well ask then what they think and maybe that is a few more to stand up.
The numbers can soon rise if Drivers want them to, but the problem in the UK is “apathy”
MolePower:
it’s an EU wide legislation , the days of sticking together , which we never did anyway are not applicable in this case
The EU Directive is simply drivers must do 35 hours Training
It is the choice of each Government how it is implemented, and our Government introduced another quango called JAUPT to implement it
Maybe it is time that Drivers did start to stick together, or after this cpc is washed under the carpet so will come the next legislation to take your money.
and if your firm are paying for it, would you not have preferred a pay rise?
Remember this cpc is every five years, Do you not realise that if they get their way then the price of it will increase year on year and then it will be too late to do anything.
johnno:
You will sit back and do nothing and then complain about those that at least have the balls to “Try”
Im not complaining about those that have the balls to try. I’m moaning about those that are saying they are simply going to give up! I’m far too busy working to sit back and do nothing, I’ve got to keep working to keep drivers in jobs, and thats far more important to me than whinging “I don’t want to do the new test”
Scarab:
Im not complaining about those that have the balls to try. I’m moaning about those that are saying they are simply going to give up! I’m far too busy working to sit back and do nothing, I’ve got to keep working to keep drivers in jobs, and thats far more important to me than whinging “I don’t want to do the new test”
You do of course realise that taking the DCPC counts as “other work” and your drivers will have to take the course during work time when they could be doing something more profitable for your business, such as driving one of your vehicles?
