Now don’t get me wrong there are drivers and drivers.
As part of the job being a driver should it be right that anyone can just go pass a test and know NOTHING about the drivers hours regulations.
Secondly anyone that has the GF rights to drive a 7.5t can just get in and drive.
also anyone can apply for a DIGI card.
So , with the above .
should the drivers hours and regs be part of the test’s taken to obtain your HGV, LGV, licences.
should anyone that applies for a DIGI card be required to take a test to show that your competent and understand the basics in using the Digi including manual entries.
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the above could be computer based and be take half hour before or after your test with a % mark for passing , I’m sure this could be implemented into the modules somewhere before taking your test.
There are a variety of questions in either/both Cat C&D theory and/or initial CPC theory tests, that cover drivers hours - both for EU regs and UK regs.
nick learning and knowing drivers hours is part of the job,something drivers should be prepared to do if they want to do the job.
It is not rocket science just part of the job.
The problem is some drivers do not bother to learn them or the highway code for that matter.That is fairly obvious from some of the posts on here.
albion1971:
nick learning and knowing drivers hours is part of the job,something drivers should be prepared to do if they want to do the job.
It is not rocket science just part of the job.
The problem is some drivers do not bother to learn them or the highway code for that matter.That is fairly obvious from some of the posts on here.
I know that’s the reason I asked for thoughts and why I personally think it should be compulsory.
When I did the intitial CPC I sort of knew the theory behind the hours regs. I’ve picked up more as I go along since getting the card. A bit like the learning to drive to pass the test then learning the rest after passing.
Might sound wrong, but only so much you can learn from a book.
theantbox:
When I did the intitial CPC I sort of knew the theory behind the hours regs. I’ve picked up more as I go along since getting the card. A bit like the learning to drive to pass the test then learning the rest after passing.
Might sound wrong, but only so much you can learn from a book.
so really it wouldn’t be a problem when out driving (training) the student used a tacho card getting practical hands on training
That would work much better. To help get peoples head round the regs. Although the vehicle I was taught in was a paper tacho. So kind of defeats the card bit.
albion1971:
nick learning and knowing drivers hours is part of the job,something drivers should be prepared to do if they want to do the job.
It is not rocket science just part of the job.
The problem is some drivers do not bother to learn them or the highway code for that matter.That is fairly obvious from some of the posts on here.
I know that’s the reason I asked for thoughts and why I personally think it should be compulsory.
Sorry I misunderstood you.Personally I think making it compulsory is a great idea.As I have said many times the LGV test is far too easy.
The whole thing needs revamped.The driving part needs to be far more involved and the theory side made far harder to make sure candidates are learning and retaining the information.
After that there needs to be maybe a 3 or 5 year assessment to make sure standards have not fallen because at the moment they seem to be at an all time low.
Training can only go so far.
The real learning begins when your out on the road on your own and have to use your own skills combined with what you have learnt to complete the job in hand.
I’m not a fan of GF for 7.5t vehicles though.
The best teachers can be those who have done the job for years and I was lucky to have a few weeks with an old hand who had seen and done almost everything. Probably learnt more in those two weeks than any other time in my life.
Although those where the days when Hiab training was a case of ‘theres your truck, just pull the PTO and play with the levers, sure you will figure it out, Oh and while your at it take this 2 ton container to this construction site’.
Can’t beat being thrown in at the deep end, probably frowned upon a bit now though.
albion1971:
nick learning and knowing drivers hours is part of the job,something drivers should be prepared to do if they want to do the job.
It is not rocket science just part of the job.
The problem is some drivers do not bother to learn them or the highway code for that matter.That is fairly obvious from some of the posts on here.
I know that’s the reason I asked for thoughts and why I personally think it should be compulsory.
Sorry I misunderstood you.Personally I think making it compulsory is a great idea.As I have said many times the LGV test is far too easy.
The whole thing needs revamped.The driving part needs to be far more involved and the theory side made far harder to make sure candidates are learning and retaining the information.
After that there needs to be maybe a 3 or 5 year assessment to make sure standards have not fallen because at the moment they seem to be at an all time low.
I think you could say the same for any test to be honest (car, motorcycle, bus etc). I think the standard of all road users, even cyclists and pedestrians, has declined in recent years. As a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, I would agree that periodic assessments to ensure that drivers are up to standard would be good thing. Very unlikely to ever happen though.
albion1971:
nick learning and knowing drivers hours is part of the job,something drivers should be prepared to do if they want to do the job.
It is not rocket science just part of the job.
The problem is some drivers do not bother to learn them or the highway code for that matter.That is fairly obvious from some of the posts on here.
I know that’s the reason I asked for thoughts and why I personally think it should be compulsory.
Sorry I misunderstood you.Personally I think making it compulsory is a great idea.As I have said many times the LGV test is far too easy.
The whole thing needs revamped.The driving part needs to be far more involved and the theory side made far harder to make sure candidates are learning and retaining the information.
After that there needs to be maybe a 3 or 5 year assessment to make sure standards have not fallen because at the moment they seem to be at an all time low.
I think you could say the same for any test to be honest (car, motorcycle, bus etc). I think the standard of all road users, even cyclists and pedestrians, has declined in recent years. As a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, I would agree that periodic assessments to ensure that drivers are up to standard would be good thing. Very unlikely to ever happen though.
At whos expense would these assessments be? Would they cater for ‘real world’ driving instead driving to pass the test?
I took my C&E in 96 and did not have a clue about drivers hours, it was not part of the training or test. I had to get a pamphlet from the library to learn about it, as well as asking lads I worked with. I’ve said all along that drivers hours should be included in any HGV training.
As for who would pay for it then that’s simple, the driver, or his company. Who else? It’s your licence so it’s your responsibility.
albion1971:
nick learning and knowing drivers hours is part of the job,something drivers should be prepared to do if they want to do the job.
It is not rocket science just part of the job.
The problem is some drivers do not bother to learn them or the highway code for that matter.That is fairly obvious from some of the posts on here.
I know that’s the reason I asked for thoughts and why I personally think it should be compulsory.
Sorry I misunderstood you.Personally I think making it compulsory is a great idea.As I have said many times the LGV test is far too easy.
The whole thing needs revamped.The driving part needs to be far more involved and the theory side made far harder to make sure candidates are learning and retaining the information.
After that there needs to be maybe a 3 or 5 year assessment to make sure standards have not fallen because at the moment they seem to be at an all time low.
I think you could say the same for any test to be honest (car, motorcycle, bus etc). I think the standard of all road users, even cyclists and pedestrians, has declined in recent years. As a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, I would agree that periodic assessments to ensure that drivers are up to standard would be good thing. Very unlikely to ever happen though.
Yes I agree that it is unlikely to happen but unfortunately for the wrong reasons.Agree with you about tests apart from the motorcycle test.It has become a lot harder over the years.
Periodic assessments are one of the only way to stop drivers getting into bad habits and becoming complacent.
There are to many with the attitude that when they pass their test they do not have to learn or anymore.
antbox I think the way forward is for the actual driving test to be far more comprehensive along with the theory/HC and all other regs including drivers hours.
Once you have passed all that then you should be assessed every 3 or 5 years.There would be several ways of who pays but to encourage drivers to keep up to date anyone passing the assessment should not have any payment.
If you fail you pay for further training.
It is the only way to stop all the bad driving and terrible accident we see on our roads everyday.
Training providers used to provide the book with driver hours & tach rules until they changed again & then stopped producing the book as you can get it in PDF form now
But this training if it did happen should not just be for new drivers it should be for all this includes motorcycles car etc as has been said but as we know it will never happen
But before you get your licence of any sort instead of having the HPT test have a simulator where all should go have different senorios with motorcycles cars & large vehicles thye have to pass this before being allowed out on the road
should the drivers hours and regs be part of the test’s taken to obtain your HGV, LGV, licences.
They are Nick, and have been for a long time.
nick2008:
2. should anyone that applies for a DIGI card be required to take a test to show that your competent and understand the basics in using the Digi including manual entries.
Its already law that your employer should instruct you on how to use your work equiptment.
Would be more worthwhile if they introduced a blanket motorway test for ALL new drivers.
If it aint broke don’t fix it. If your having a tacho test then there should equally be a test of how to secure a load, mechanical skills, book keeping etc. Where do you draw the line? If there was a major problem with new drivers then fair enough but you learn off your own back or you simply won’t make it in the industry.
should the drivers hours and regs be part of the test’s taken to obtain your HGV, LGV, licences.
They are Nick, and have been for a long time.
nick2008:
2. should anyone that applies for a DIGI card be required to take a test to show that your competent and understand the basics in using the Digi including manual entries.
Its already law that your employer should instruct you on how to use your work equiptment.
So how come there are so many repetitive questions on here asking the same questions
nick2008:
So how come there are so many repetitive questions on here asking the same questions
There’s a joke in their somewhere Nick !!
On a serious note, i think there’s lots of questions here for the simple reason that you can just ask anything thats on your mind. Once you get (got) your licence you will of read up on it all.You’ll have an overview. Everyone asked questions, whether its in a yard, one of your mates or here. Here’ you’ll see everyones questions, so may create the impression no one has a clue. Which is not the case.
Would be more worthwhile if they introduced a blanket motorway test for ALL new drivers.
ajt…How can you say that seriously? The majority of drivers on motorways are not new drivers and look at the poor standard we have.
You really do not believe that drivers who have passed their test know how to drive on motorways…Do you?
