1st month of Class 2 - What to expect?

Hello all. first off Apologies if I’ve posted in the incorrect section of the Forum, please move/correct me if I’m wrong.

This is my first post, so i will introduce myself. I’m Tom, from Kent. Hello to all of you! :slight_smile:

Im plan to be doing my Class 2 lessons and test in January/Feb 2017. I’m currently doing an office Job, its ok, moneys alright but its dull. Ive always wanted to be a ‘trucker’ but I’ve never done anything about it. A little push from my O/H has prompted me to chase my dream and go for it.

But, lets say i do well and have my Class 2 licence in my hand early next year, What can i expect?

Can i walk into a few agencys and get a solid 40 hours a week work? What about a decent starting wage?

Will i be picking up night shifts/weekend work?

I read in one place I could expect £2k a month, another says more like £1400.

How soon is a good time to go for class 1?

Please share with me your stories of starting out good or bad so I know what to expect.

Hey Tom, I’m new too Chris is the name from up Liverpool way.

With Class 2 I’ve occasionally had trouble finding work with little experience it just depends how desperate they are at the time, sometimes it will take a few weeks to get you in somewhere and sometimes you’ll sign up for an agency and be working the next day, speak with your local driving agencies and see who will take on new drivers. Also ask your HGV instructor about agencies too and you may even get a reference like I did.

As for hours it’ll definitely pick up once you build some reputation with your agency. I’m averaging around 45-50 hours a week at the moment and before this I had heard barely anything from them.

As for the Class 1 question again it’s something you should ask local agencies, I know around here they will have you out working within a few days at the moment.

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply.

Thats kind of what i thought it would be. I could probably last about a month-6weeks on ‘part time’ wages but ideally would want to go straight in to full time work.

Nights and weekends would not be a problem so hopefully thats an advantage.

Tom, I don’t believe you for a second when you say you’re planning to become a driver. I think you’re doing a survey.

Taking your questions at face value though, you’ll not find any dreams in this industry - unless your dream is to live out of a bag in shared accommodation (the wagon), and not to spend any more quality time with your O/H.

With Class 2, you’re almost certainly going to earn a lower rate than your office job. It’ll certainly be worse terms, and poorer working conditions - again, unless your dream is to spend most the day alone in a grimy wagon. Driving is not particularly exciting - it’s more akin to a train simulator than Grand Theft Auto. The hours might turn your life upside down, but there are some positions in the dirtiest, lowest paid end of the industry that continue to work sociable hours. In many places though not all, the turnover of staff means you won’t have friends at work, and if you’re a younger fella you’ll find most people aren’t.

You’ll not walk into an agency and get a solid 40 hours. You’ll be offered a solid 80 hours a week, or you’ll be offered odds and sods with crazy start times. If you haven’t already got substantial experience, usually defined as 2 years licence and 6 months recent experience, then you’ll be lucky to get any agency work at all (unless its stuff other guys just won’t touch with a barge pole). If you’re under 25, I’d forget about agencies altogether.

2k a month is achievable if you get the work (£1,500 is probably more realistic to begin, or even £nil), but talking about salaries often disguises what you’ll have to do for that money and how hard you’ll work for it or what risks you’ll take. For jobs without nasty extremes, £8 an hour is probably the most you can expect at Class 2, maybe £9 at Class 1.

Wake up and save yourself before its too late!

It might sound like a glum account, but it’s genuinely representative. I’ve never spoken to a single soul who said it was the best move they ever made, or that they wouldn’t give it up for anything - quite the opposite, in fact, and most drivers have other strings to their bow.

Hi Rjan

Thank you for your response, sorry to hear that you think im doing some kind of survey, I can assure you I am not and my inquiry is genuine.

Im also sorry to hear your downbeat view on the situation, but i do appreciate your honesty. No job is perfect, im aware of that, no matter what your job is there will always be bad days.

Thank you for your view on this. I welcome anyone who can re-inforce this or (hopefully) tell me otherwise.

Hello and welcome. Id say go for it, the job is what you make of it but you will have to be flexible and have an understanding Mrs. Personally I wouldn’t do anything else, I’ve tried other jobs but always come back to driving. I enjoy the freedom and not being stuck in the same place every day, but most of alI driving the truck still puts a smile on my face. I would say if you don’t have an interest in trucks or really enjoy driving then it’s probably not for you and you’ll just end up hating the job. Do your class 1 as soon as you can because there is a lot more work about and it is usually better work. As said the agencies will promise the world just to get you on the books but there are some good ones about. You will probably struggle to get 40 hours a week as a new pass on class 2 so my advice would be get your class 1 as well then try and find a company that will take on new drivers. At worst you’ll have to sit on the licences for a year or 2 then sign up with a few agencies and bend the truth about what you’ve being doing for the past 2 years.

Hello call me Dave Tom

To take home £2000 a month on the standard 1100L tax code and NI that’s just slightly over £30,000 a year. It’s pretty easy to work backwards to see how achievable that is.

To achieve 30k pa, you need to earn £576 a week gross, every week. Not just part of the year as with agency, every week.

For a hypothetical 40 hour week that would mean you’d need to earn £14.40/hr. I’d stick my neck out and say impossible, for class 2 as a new driver to find not only that very hourly rate but also a guaranteed 40 hour week throughout the year to achieve 30k pa.

For a more realistic example, say you earnt £9/hour. That would be pretty good for class 2 as a new start on a fulltime job.

50 hours at £9 an hour = £450
Say by some miracle you find a fulltime job that pays you 1.5 times basic - £13.50/hr after 50 hours, to gross £576 you’d need on top of £450-

£125 / (£13.5) = 9.2 hours

So based on earning weekly at 52 weeks, not salaried months, that’s 59 hours work to earn £576 gross to achieve your £2 a month take home. And that’s presuming you can find full time new class 2 at £9/ hour and 1.5 x basic after 50 hours. All of which are not very likely.

I say full time, because agency will not nett you the guaranteed week in week out hours to achieve a steady 2k a month take home, every month as a new class 2 driver. You’d need a fulltime job for that.

The other way to nett 2k a month take home is by tramping. The daily night out allowance, being tax free will bump up what you receive in hand. But to achieve this of course you’d have to live in a box!

So, armed with this, do some digging of hourly rates on class 2 in Kent, for new hires that ISN’T agency and see how likely 2k a month, throughout the year is. I’d say unlikely and a more realistic figure would be 13-1400 a month. And even then, not with a 40 hour week.

Come on Dave, you only left the office an hour ago, so why the 6 month wait for class 2. taking some personal time ?!
Hope the chat with the Queen went well. :grimacing:

Class 2 what to expect… If it’s s got tail lift then expect town centre drops with cars beeping at you when they get frustrated that were following you too close and now you’ve stopped with the hazards on its awkward for them to go round you as they were too close.

Seriously though, 2k per month is about right if your wanting to do tramping. £1400 could be about right for just day work.

From what I know you will do more like 50 hours per work or more rather than 40.

If it’s what you really want to do then go for it. I did a year ago, and I’m happy. I know a lot of drivers will tell newbies it’s not what it used to be blah blah but like me, you’ll know no different from what it is now so it’s not so big issue to you compare to someone who has been through the changes. Maybe in 20 years I’ll be telling newbies it’s not what it used to be when we’re all using driverless trucks for the motorway part of the journey ha

Hi Tom.
I’ve only had my licence for a couple of years so I understand what you’re going through. If it’s something you really want to do, go for it. You’ll make the job as good or bad as you want it to be. For me, it was the best thing I ever did.
That being said, there is a warning attached to this post! To go from car to c+e (artic) costs between 2 1/2 to 3 thousand pounds and takes around six months. You WILL need an understanding partner because the hours are long and you probably won’t know what time you’ll finish till you clock off. This isn’t (normally) a 9 to 5 job.
Agencies rarely tell you the truth. I was lucky, when I went in to see them they said “I can’t promise you work, the work I do give you will probably be the crap that no one else wants and you may be cancelled at short notice”. I’ll be honest and tell you I considered chucking it at this point. However, after a few weeks of grafting, turning up on time looking like I wanted to work, not whinging and not banging the truck, I built up a good reputation and soon started to get better work. I was actually offered three permanent jobs by companies I was on placement with. I actually accepted the last one.
If you have the cash available, could you not work around your current job for experience? Bear in mind you will have to be careful of the working hours regs. If you tell the agency what you’re available for, nights, weekends, whatever, they’ll probably have a shift for you. But remember, the pickier you are, the less likely you’ll pick up work. In fact, if you turn down too many jobs, your phone will soon stop ringing. Agencies are businesses and not run for your benefit!
As far as money goes, wages depend on the sort of job you do and where you are, but 30k+ is achievable for a 55 hour week up here in Hull (which is traditionally a badly paid area).
Good luck whatever you do.
Cavey.

Hi tom. This time last year i was in the same position as you and so far its the best thing i ever did. I passed my test in december. Didnt fancy doing agency work as i dont trust them from personal experience and talking to other drivers. I needed a steady wage. Was luck i got the second job i applied for and started in febuary.
I was took on to do pallex (pallet network) lots of house drops tight places etc. Its not the most desirable job and not on mega bucks but i loved it. More money than i was on stacking shelves at tesco and doing a job i enjoyed. Took the crappy jobs tight streets and physical work as great experience.
I kept my head down and cracked on with the job and it payed off about a month ago. A few guys retired and i have now been put on the general haulage side. So now more hours, nights out and more driving. This week they have me on my adr. So at the monent things are going great.
Earning better money but long hours but enjoying it so not bothered. You might have to do the crap jobs first but if you work hard the rewards will come.
Good luck with it mate

Rowley010:
Class 2 what to expect… If it’s s got tail lift then expect town centre drops with cars beeping at you when they get frustrated that were following you too close and now you’ve stopped with the hazards on its awkward for them to go round you as they were too close.

Seriously though, 2k per month is about right if your wanting to do tramping. £1400 could be about right for just day work.

From what I know you will do more like 50 hours per work or more rather than 40.

If it’s what you really want to do then go for it. I did a year ago, and I’m happy. I know a lot of drivers will tell newbies it’s not what it used to be blah blah but like me, you’ll know no different from what it is now so it’s not so big issue to you compare to someone who has been through the changes. Maybe in 20 years I’ll be telling newbies it’s not what it used to be when we’re all using driverless trucks for the motorway part of the journey ha

I am starting to learn and also have been told by several drivers “the job isn’t what it was”. Having spent over 15 years in retail it isnt what it was either! I think most jobs have changed and probably for the worst.

However several also said the job is ok if you can get a reasonable job and keep your head down.

Is your job something you can go back to? Or as others have said try and get shifts around your current job until your sure you like it. Assuming you can do it around the rest period requirements.

Even if you pass and do nothing with it it will always be something to fall back on.

Best of luck what ever you decide

Try and approach a company direct and see if they’ll take you on/train you up with an old hand for a couple of weeks etc. Most agencies are best avoided, as the work will more than likely be irregular and not great, usually from an organisation perspective at least.

Even if there offering slightly better money as has been said above they can quite easily for example give you a few weeks work then some of there clients may quieten down for a bit and if your new to the agency you may not get work for a few days etc. Basically its unreliable.

Not all agencies are bad but you could end up chasing wages/wages differing week to week, shifts and hours changing last minute and generally get messed about a bit etc.

If you manage to get a stroke of luck/bit of a break and get in with a company and get decent at the job/do the job no problems. Then you should get taken on permanent with a bit of luck.

Agenecy work will suit some people obviously trying to experience different types of work for example to see what suits them, but my advice would always be get try and get taken on direct if you can.

Its all finding what work suits you, some like tramping, some like nights, days, trunking, local multidrop, tippers etc etc. Just try to find something that fits you best overall. good luck if you go for it.

If you do end up learning with an agency limp, ensure you stockpile a bit of cash at Xmas!
The next few months after that are normally the quite ones, so getting a limping gig then can be a lot trickier…

This job is exactly what you make of it. There are drivers who are the old and disillusioned, and there are the young and green/keen, and there are some in between. You need to work out where you want to be in that list.

If you pass in the early part of the year, traditionally that is when there is least new passes taken on to work. But that doesn’t mean none taken on at all.

2k take home on class 2 in the Kent area? Possible, but unlikely as a new starter, you’ll have to earn your stripes or specialise to get that. But is more likely the more unsociable hours you do.

If you want weekend/night work get your class 1 as soon as possible, class 2 work is more likely to be day/nights out.

Here is a link to a diary I did for a normal day for me on class 2

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=136300&p=2139604&hilit=Diary+of+a+multi+drop+day#p2139604

F-reds:
Here is a link to a diary I did for a normal day for me on class 2

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=136300&p=2139604&hilit=Diary+of+a+multi+drop+day#p2139604

And here’s another VAN driving example! :wink:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=136558
(HI-AB flatbed delivering and collecting scaffolding)

If you are after honest advice mate, pin your lugholes back and listen to this;

If you want to try truck driving, get your licence(s) and get on with it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Also, you will at least have something to fall back on if nothing else.
Pointless listening to all the conflicting advice on here. Some are bitter, some are wise, some talk absolute ■■■■■■■■.

I drive a class 1 curtainsider on day’s Mon-Fri. It’s like printing money. In fact, it’s the easiest job I have ever done.(And I’ve had a few!).

callmedave:
no matter what your job is there will always be bad days.

I wish I could say I was referring to “bad days” but I’m really referring to systematic problems in the industry. Unlike some guys, I actually don’t care about traffic jams or being held up at drops, and I don’t suffer road rage, so I’ve rarely ever had bad days in the bad luck sense - too few to recall, anyway.

If you’re accustomed to office work being around 8 hours a day starting at 9am, how will you really feel doing up to 15 hours a day, each day, without any choice in the matter? Do you mind not having a bath between shifts? How will you feel starting work at 3am some days, and 8am the next, and not knowing until each evening beforehand? Do you have any hobbies, any after-work routines, any personal relationships, even any health conditions, which won’t suffer under these stressful and disruptive conditions?

How will you feel earning £7.20 an hour for Class 2? What about £9 an hour for Class 1? Both with at least 45 minutes a day, and up to 90 minutes a day, breaks paid at £nil an hour? These are not starter rates, in many cases they’re the going rates for firms that would expect to get well-experienced guys at those rates.

If you’re under 25 with no previous experience, how will you feel struggling to find any work in an industry that claims to be desperate? And I don’t mean general experience, I mean specifically like how Class 2 experience often won’t cut it for a Class 1 vacancy, and even how curtainsider experience won’t do for tail lift work?

I welcome anyone who can re-inforce this or (hopefully) tell me otherwise.

Well looking at the sample of views since my last post, many are upbeat, but they seem to be upbeat about intangible things like the pleasure of driving trucks (which is nice but frankly it wears off the same as driving a car does if you do 100k miles a year in one).

Nobody has stated any rates (at least not as apply to a new pass), not even those who say it’s “printing money”. Security guards “print money” in the sense of physical effort, but they’re really on very bad rates and are paid to endure boredom and the consumption of their time.

They’ve also said agencies will lie and mess you around, “not to be trusted” - there’ll be times when you probably won’t work. They’re clear that hours will be highly unsociable and punishingly long - longer than almost any other industry, even offshore work tends to be no more than 12 hour shifts, and there you’re hosted and catered for and paid ■■■■ well for it (or at least used to be).

Others ask ominously about whether you can return to your current occupation, and how you’d do better to put your licence in the sock drawer for 2 years, or that it’s good as a “fall back”.

They say the work is “not desirable” and “not mega bucks”, which is really British understatement for dirty work at near NMW. Crappy jobs and physical work can mean backbreaking labour ■■■■■■■ the contents of cages over cobbled streets or similar (it’s especially undesirable for many drivers who by definition enjoy sitting and concentrating at the controls, not sweaty labouring).

And then there’s the social effects. You’ll need an “understanding partner”, which really means a partner who never expects to make any plans with you, and maybe barely sees you or spends any quality time together. And forget about playing footy on Wednesday evenings.

You’ve been warned. Guys in the industry will try not to talk it down and make themselves look like downtrodden fools for doing it, but if you read between the lines it’s an extremely bad industry to enter. Only if you are a masochist and genuinely happy with its extremes (perhaps because you have no life outside of work), should you even consider crawling through the sewer entrance.

Rjan:

callmedave:
no matter what your job is there will always be bad days.

I wish I could say I was referring to “bad days” but I’m really referring to systematic problems in the industry.

If you’re accustomed to office work being around 8 hours a day starting at 9am, how will you really feel doing up to 15 hours a day, each day, without any choice in the matter? How will you feel starting work at 3am some days, and 8am the next, and not knowing until each evening beforehand? Do you have any hobbies, any after-work routines, any personal relationships, even any health conditions, which won’t suffer under these stressful and disruptive conditions?

How will you feel earning £7.20 an hour for Class 2? What about £9 an hour for Class 1? Both with at least 45 minutes a day, and up to 90 minutes a day, breaks paid at £nil an hour? These are not starter rates, in many cases they’re the going rates for firms that would expect to get well-experienced guys at those rates.

If you’re under 25 with no previous experience, how will you feel struggling to find any work in an industry that claims to be desperate? And I don’t mean general experience, I mean specifically like how Class 2 experience often won’t cut it for a Class 1 vacancy, and even how curtainsider experience won’t do for tail lift work?

I welcome anyone who can re-inforce this or (hopefully) tell me otherwise.

Well looking at the sample of views since my last post, many are upbeat, but they seem to be upbeat about intangible things like the pleasure of driving trucks (which is nice but frankly it wears off the same as driving a car does if you do 100k miles a year in one).

Nobody has stated any rates (at least not as apply to a new pass), not even those who say it’s “printing money”. Security guards “print money” in the sense of physical effort, but they’re really on very bad rates and are paid to endure boredom.

They’ve also said agencies will lie and mess you around, “not to be trusted” - there’ll be times when you probably won’t work. They’re clear that hours will be highly unsociable and punishingly long - longer than almost any other industry, even offshore work tends to be no more than 12 hour shifts.

Others ask ominously about whether you can return to your current occupation, and how you’d do better to put your licence in the sock drawer for 2 years, or that it’s good as a “fall back”.

They say the work is “not desirable” and “not mega bucks”, which is really British understatement for dirty work at near NMW. Crappy jobs and physical work can mean backbreaking labour ■■■■■■■ the contents of cages over cobbled streets or similar (it’s especially undesirable for many drivers who by definition enjoy sitting and concentrating at the controls, not sweaty labouring).

And then there’s the social effects. You’ll need an “understanding partner”, which really means a partner who never expects to make any plans with you, and maybe barely sees you or spends any quality time together.

You’ve been warned. Guys in the industry will try not to talk it down and make themselves look like downtrodden fools for doing it, but if you read between the lines it’s an extremely bad industry to enter. Only if you are a masochist and genuinely happy with its extremes (perhaps because you have no life outside of work), should you even consider crawling through the sewer entrance.

I was the person who asked if it was something the op could return to as I think it is always best to have a plan.

If you don’t mind me asking Rjan why do you do it? I get the impression from your posts that your not driving because your not clever enough to do something else. So if its that bad why keep doing it?

Glass half empty with you fella! I am home 6pm virtually every night, sat eating my evening meal with my family. Very easy clean work, my own allocated truck so I don’t have to lug my gear around.

Get paid £500 per week for driving an auto wagon around Britain seeing all different places, busiest part of my day is pulling the curtains back and forth, and doing a few straps up.