1st month of Class 2 - What to expect?

I’ve only had 2 jobs in 7 years, and never earned less than £10 per hour PAYE.

If the job you get is ■■■■■■ then learn what you can from it, and move on. You don’t need to be an unhappy driver, though some would have you believe it’s not possible to enjoy it.

I’ve never not showered or bathed daily.

The only problems that are endemic in this industry are ones you allow to happen to you.

I have a life outside of work, I spend an average of 55 hours away from home Monday- Friday. But my weekends are mine, as are my evenings. I repeat, you don’t have to drive for ■■■■ firm, doing something you don’t enjoy, the key is finding a set of circumstances you are happy with.

I agree with eagerbeaver, just get on with it :smiley:

Then if like Rjan life is so bleak, Jack it in and go back to what you are doing now. But at least you’ll know and you can always do some shifts for extra money.

There is no two ways about it, it’s difficult to get a start and a decent paying one. However it is possible. I took a 23 and a 24 year old on, Class 1. Some weeks it’s UK work, see your own bed every night and low hours, other weeks it’s European work. We don’t push on hours, pay through breaks, nice bonus at Xmas and pay wages that must be decent enough as we don’t have much turnover of staff.

If you want to do it, it’ll be an itch that’s never scratched if you don’t.

As already said, plenty of mixed reviews…

While this isn’t a definitive observation, I do wonder if many of the negative views here know very little of other jobs, and have been in Transport possibly their whole lives. That’s not a criticism, just that it’s possibly a rose tinted view of other jobs…

Tin hat on! :smiley:

There are opportunities out there to earn way more than 2k a month. I passed just over 2 years ago. Worked for a plant hire company. Lots of overtime 30hrs+ and stand-by shifts seen me clearing 2k some months. Now I’ve moved onto windfarm construction on a hiab truck via agency. Clearing 2.5k for a standard 48hr week… Home every weekend and whole evenings to myself.
My best advice would be try and get more than just class2. Get ADR or Hiab, even better get both! Forklift and telehandler tickets along with a CSCS card are worth the expense.

Evil8Beezle:
As already said, plenty of mixed reviews…

While this isn’t a definitive observation, I do wonder if many of the negative views here know very little of other jobs, and have been in Transport possibly their whole lives. That’s not a criticism, just that it’s possibly a rose tinted view of other jobs…

Tin hat on! :smiley:

Exactly!

Regret what you did not what you didn’t!

kcrussell25:
I was the person who asked if it was something the op could return to as I think it is always best to have a plan.

I agree, but it discloses what we all know that it’s not something to bet the farm on. You wouldn’t ask your kids going to university whether they have something to fall back on, nor would you ask someone applying for a promotion whether they can go back to their old job, unless it’s all really very doubtful to begin with.

If you don’t mind me asking Rjan why do you do it? I get the impression from your posts that your not driving because your not clever enough to do something else. So if its that bad why keep doing it?

I do it for my sins! And for pocket money, no more. On the positive side I already have an endowment of experience that the OP will not have to begin with, and I do find driving trucks itself satisfying, but I would never recommend it unless, as I’ve said before, your training is being paid for in full and you’re being offered a secure job on known terms, which is obviously a one way bet if you decide those terms are acceptable (as against office work for the OP), but is also the holy grail.

Evil8Beezle:
I do wonder if many of the negative views here know very little of other jobs, and have been in Transport possibly their whole lives. That’s not a criticism, just that it’s possibly a rose tinted view of other jobs…

Tin hat on! :smiley:

Haha! Au contraire! Unless you’re only alternative is the most squalid and oppressive warehouse (e.g. Sports Direct warehouse, not Asda retail store), in which truly the pay and conditions are even poorer than in this game, I’d say most drivers who’ve known nothing else have too rose-tinted a view about driving.

In fact, the drivers who are most positive about driving are simply those matched to its demands: the ones who want the hours, and have no relationship and little outside life.

I do know counter-examples of people and jobs, but they are notable by their small number and/or dead-mans-shoes nature.

Rjan:
the drivers who are most positive about driving are simply those matched to its demands

I’ve condensed that for you… :wink:

The ones that accept there is rough and smooth, effort is relative to reward, and stress is only ever self inflicted! :smiley:

Rjan:

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I was the person who asked if it was something the op could return to as I think it is always best to have a plan.

I agree, but it discloses what we all know that it’s not something to bet the farm on. You wouldn’t ask your kids going to university whether they have something to fall back on, nor would you ask someone applying for a promotion whether they can go back to their old job, unless it’s all really very doubtful to begin with.

If you don’t mind me asking Rjan why do you do it? I get the impression from your posts that your not driving because your not clever enough to do something else. So if its that bad why keep doing it?

I do it for my sins! And for pocket money, no more. On the positive side I already have an endowment of experience that the OP will not have to begin with, and I do find driving trucks itself satisfying, but I would never recommend it unless, as I’ve said before, your training is being paid for in full and you’re being offered a secure job on known terms, which is obviously a one way bet if you decide those terms are acceptable (as against office work for the OP), but is also the holy grail.
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Rjan,
I not sure on splitting the quotes so will put it all here. If I was planning a career change, which the OP has declared I think having a plan is very sensible. Its not just a promotion which you would probably know what to expect and if you could do it.

Even your university example isn’t a good one. I am a night manager in a supermarket and interview loads of people in their early 20s who have been to university who were basically pushed into it from schools that have a degree they can do nothing with. Even jobs which shouldn’t need a degree list them as required as so many people have one these days.

From the pocket money post I assume you are older? No offense intended. For anyone around my age (33) I think it is essential to have skills to use as a back up. 15 years ago when I entered retail it was viewed as a secure job. Its not any more. If I go driving and doesn’t work out but there will still be supermarkets (hopefully!). All in c and e will cost me about 6 weeks take home. If I do nothing with the licence but lose my job in a few years and it gives me an option. I think it is worth it.

I cant advocate this but…

I fell straight back on my HGV when my career went balls up temporarily through lack of work after redundancy post financial crash (airline industry. The financial world catches a cold - the airlines get man flu).

With a little help from some very good and experienced people, straight back in. Best £800 quid I ever spent was on my HGV. I’m back in my original career but I’ll never let my HGV lapse whilst I have a choice, ever.

Can’t advocate buying a licence for just incase, especially as aren’t they like 2-3k now?? It just worked for me.

I went back to HGV in the 90s when I got made redundant from middle management in the NHS. I had a class one and did a lot of fridge work for an agency for a few years - loads of sleeping on the job and 6am starts which I liked. Then they messed me around so I took a full time job with a pallet network company, driving a 4 wheeler.

Less sleep time in the day, though I nearly always had a least an hour in the middle between deliveries and collections, and I enjoyed it. One of the other drivers used to say that he got paid for driving round all day so he could chat to his mates. Sure there were tricky jobs - but we all like a challenge don’t we. My view has alway been that the job is what you make it and if you are friendly, willing and cheerful, you meet a lot of similar people. A also claim that there is no blue collar job that pays as much for so little work as an HGV driver. The big upside for me with that job was that I did a steady 50 hours and was home almost every evening for dinner.

kcrussell25:
Even your university example isn’t a good one. I am a night manager in a supermarket and interview loads of people in their early 20s who have been to university who were basically pushed into it from schools that have a degree they can do nothing with. Even jobs which shouldn’t need a degree list them as required as so many people have one these days.

I agree, but just as you wouldn’t get a degree without there being a benefit, why get a HGV licence without a benefit?

From the pocket money post I assume you are older? No offense intended. For anyone around my age (33) I think it is essential to have skills to use as a back up. 15 years ago when I entered retail it was viewed as a secure job. Its not any more. If I go driving and doesn’t work out but there will still be supermarkets (hopefully!). All in c and e will cost me about 6 weeks take home. If I do nothing with the licence but lose my job in a few years and it gives me an option. I think it is worth it.

Is it really worth it? How many different skills (which you’re paying for out your own pocket) in different crap industries really add up to a good lifestyle? You might not suffer unemployment, but you just end up buying more tickets on a merry-go-round of ■■■■■■

It will be interesting to hear further from the OP, but I had the impression he wanted to drive for a living instead of working in an office, not to back himself up in case he lost the office job.

Santa:
I went back to HGV in the 90s … 6am starts which I liked … The big upside for me with that job was that I did a steady 50 hours and was home almost every evening for dinner.

That stability and moderation is exactly what you’ll struggle to find in this game today on new contracts, unless you’re working for peanuts and doing dirtyish jobs like skips etc.

I actually recently overheard a conversation amongst two HR assistants bemoaning how their day drivers were still entitled to be scheduled with a full 11 hours off between shifts! This was a large employer and it was said in utter Dickensian seriousness.

Rjan:

kcrussell25:
Even your university example isn’t a good one. I am a night manager in a supermarket and interview loads of people in their early 20s who have been to university who were basically pushed into it from schools that have a degree they can do nothing with. Even jobs which shouldn’t need a degree list them as required as so many people have one these days.

I agree, but just as you wouldn’t get a degree without there being a benefit, why get a HGV licence without a benefit?

From the pocket money post I assume you are older? No offense intended. For anyone around my age (33) I think it is essential to have skills to use as a back up. 15 years ago when I entered retail it was viewed as a secure job. Its not any more. If I go driving and doesn’t work out but there will still be supermarkets (hopefully!). All in c and e will cost me about 6 weeks take home. If I do nothing with the licence but lose my job in a few years and it gives me an option. I think it is worth it.

Is it really worth it? How many different skills (which you’re paying for out your own pocket) in different crap industries really add up to a good lifestyle? You might not suffer unemployment, but you just end up buying more tickets on a merry-go-round of [zb].

It will be interesting to hear further from the OP, but I had the impression he wanted to drive for a living instead of working in an office, not to back himself up in case he lost the office job.

A Hgv is a lot cheaper than a degree. I have had people tell me they owed 20k from fees and living cost when fees were only 3k. I dread to imagine what they are now fees are higher. I know it is wiped after 25 years but its still a major weight.

Also I am not sure that a lot of degrees are worth it any more as everyone has one. If you have a"proper" one yes but most are just an excuse to send the less academic anyway.

Driving may not be a great job but it pays better than a lot of other unskilled roles so I will settle for it. I agree I may not become unemployed but I have dodged redundancy 4 times now and I don’t want to keep pushing my luck.

I agree with you about the OP wanting to drive so hopefully the comments made will help him decide

Rjan:
I actually recently overheard a conversation amongst two HR assistants bemoaning how their day drivers were still entitled to be scheduled with a full 11 hours off between shifts! This was a large employer and it was said in utter Dickensian seriousness.

So you work for a good firm then? :smiley:

Evil8Beezle:

Rjan:
I actually recently overheard a conversation amongst two HR assistants bemoaning how their day drivers were still entitled to be scheduled with a full 11 hours off between shifts! This was a large employer and it was said in utter Dickensian seriousness.

So you work for a good firm then? :smiley:

I think his real name is Bob Cratchett.

Hi all.

Thanks for the warm welcomes and great responses. This has given me a great over view of the trade. some good and some bad, but thats exactly what I wanted.

As some are asking, I’ll tell you a little more about myself. I’m 33, w/ 2 kids and a Girlfriend. I’m based in Kent.
I’m a kind of Jack of all trades in terms of employment experience. Ive done, mechanics, Sales, retail, warehouse, Bar work and I’m currently a Project Co-ordinator for the construction industry. So I fell that I can always find work if the trucking side doesn’t go well. I dont have the option of doing trucking work around my current jib

My biggest worry is not seeing my kids/GF at the weekends, I understand that if i go down the agency route then I wont get much say in that, but I’m hoping it will be temporary until i can find a full time Mon-Fri type job, an odd weekend here and there will be ok.

My intention is to expand my knowledge with the likes of Forklift/HIAB/ADR. in order to get more feathers in my cap so to speak.

Some people are saying along the lines of ‘nothing ventured nothing gained’ and I think I would regret it if i didn’t chase my dreams.

Im going to do this next year. once i have my license I’ll apply to a few local haulage firms directly (im not too far from the Port of Dover so hopefully that’s an advantage) while staying in my current job. If nothing comes from it, Il start going to Agencies and see how that goes.

Again thank you all for your responses, I was not expecting so much feedback! all advice and tips will be taken on board.

Edit to add: I was asking about the wage of £2k a month as i had seen it mentioned. Im not expecting that straight away. anything around £1200 a month should be enough for me to get by on, so thats only about £275 a week which should be easy enough to acheive even if im not doing full 40/50 hour weeks.

kcrussell25:
Driving may not be a great job but it pays better than a lot of other unskilled roles so I will settle for it. I agree I may not become unemployed but I have dodged redundancy 4 times now and I don’t want to keep pushing my luck.

For class 2, it really doesn’t pay a better rate than unskilled roles, and class 1 is only marginally better. Many supermarkets pay better rates to stack the shelves (and for that you get indoor working, shift rotas, and maybe even friends), and entry-level driving positions can be just as difficult and physical.

If you’re coming into the industry precisely for the longer hours (so that you’re earning minimum wage x14 a day, instead of minimum wage x8), then be aware that start times also tend to vary significantly, and that you can probably kiss goodbye to any real home life or social routine. In other words, the sacrifice you’re making for money, is to work 15-hour shifts and sell your life outside work away.

It’s sad to put it this way but really I can only say it is suitable as a step forward (rather than a fall-back) to those who don’t have the ability to do anything more than manual warehouse work but find themselves suited to it, but who want significantly more bottom-line pay (albeit at similar hourly rates to the warehouse) and who are happy to accept conditions that are in some ways punishingly worse than warehouse work. If you’re divorced, childless, a functioning alcoholic, you don’t look after yourself, these are the sorts of people frequently found in the industry.

When you encounter workplaces with more obviously well-rounded, healthy people in this game, they tend to be in their 50s or older, they are often reasonably bright blokes with long experience who are in roles at the top of the industry, they tend to be on secure contracts from 10 years ago or more (that aren’t offered to new starters), and above all they are well-unionised and constantly on the ready for strike action to defend themselves (which is threatened far more often than we hear about it being carried out).

The only exception I’d say to this is the Eastern Europeans, who tend to seem bright and healthy in the same roles where the English look like scruffs and alcoholics, but they are much younger to begin with, and one of those I have in mind from some time ago was complaining about pay and conditions and agencies! And perhaps they haven’t come through the British sewer entrance into the industry, but have come directly from abroad as experienced Class 1 drivers, but it says something if the immigrant workers who’ve been attracted here are complaining about what they’ve found!