kr79:
Your not the first person who has asked that question on here lol
On carryfasts night trunk it may have been possible to streamline the operation to a bus like time table as its the same everyday.
But any of us with an idea of more varied work knows its not that easy.
Who here hasn’t had a day where we get caught up in a tailback on the motorway get to some industrial estate aimlessly looking for a place for half hour then when you get there be told sorry mate we are going to lunch be back in an hour. Get loaded except for one pallet that is due in anytime now. This turns up an hour later you drive out to get pulled by vosa. Next thing you know you have done a ten hour day but only 5 hours driving.
That’s why you need the flexibility of the 15 hour day that’s the real world not carryfasts it’s 220 miles away so it takes 4 hours to get there.
There has to be a point where so much time has been lost during the day through ‘other work’ and delays etc where that time can no longer just be added to the existing schedule without creating an extra fatigue risk.In which case my idea of knowing when to park up instead of just adding it to the day might just prevent the type of accident where someone’s luck runs out in trying to keep mixing driving with working 15 hour days. 
Carryfast:
longer runs where my idea really would blow yours out of the water and then some. 
No it wouldn’t. But then having no experience of longer runs I can’t expect you to know what your talking about 
Your almost as bad as the EU legislators that think it’s ok because it ‘works on paper’. The real world is very different. I say almost as bad because you have no power. Well at least I hope you don’t.
Carryfast:
kr79:
Your not the first person who has asked that question on here lol
On carryfasts night trunk it may have been possible to streamline the operation to a bus like time table as its the same everyday.
But any of us with an idea of more varied work knows its not that easy.
Who here hasn’t had a day where we get caught up in a tailback on the motorway get to some industrial estate aimlessly looking for a place for half hour then when you get there be told sorry mate we are going to lunch be back in an hour. Get loaded except for one pallet that is due in anytime now. This turns up an hour later you drive out to get pulled by vosa. Next thing you know you have done a ten hour day but only 5 hours driving.
That’s why you need the flexibility of the 15 hour day that’s the real world not carryfasts it’s 220 miles away so it takes 4 hours to get there.
There has to be a point where so much time has been lost during the day through ‘other work’ and delays etc where that time can no longer just be added to the existing schedule without creating an extra fatigue risk.In which case my idea of knowing when to park up instead of just adding it to the day might just prevent the type of accident where someone’s luck runs out in trying to keep mixing driving with working 15 hour days.
Its called general haulage not a nice simple night trunk up the road to a nice waiting trailer to be hitched up…
i got it CF why dont we all charge the offload/load place a fee if they delay us because they got 15 other trailers to sort out as well as my own…
Go do some general haulage for a couple of years then see if you have the same attitude 15 hr days are a must in the modern day
switchlogic:
Still digging then. Unlike you I’ve done plenty of longer runs too thanks. And still occasionally do. Denmark two weeks ago. I see it from the perspective of someone who’s done a large variety of work from Crete in the south to Norway in the north. Unlike you with little experience from you dull and boring career.
Showing your cluelessness again there though. The eastern Europeans don’t cherry pick the fridge work from Ireland, they may do the odd load but not often. The runs are shorter because the likes of the Italians aren’t buying anywhere near as much Irish beef as they used to. You may not have noticed but the whole of Europe is struggling a bit. Driving faster for less hours would cause more problems than it solves, but you can’t see that through your blinkered eyes
It seems that we’ve arrived at a total opposing view although I’m not just basing my ideas on fridge work.There’s loads of different types of haulage and trunking operations which would benefit more from an increase in the driving hours and speed limit than those who wouldn’t.While getting rid of the idea of mixing driving with 15 hour days would certainly help the situation related to cutting the risks of driver fatigue.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Still digging then. Unlike you I’ve done plenty of longer runs too thanks. And still occasionally do. Denmark two weeks ago. I see it from the perspective of someone who’s done a large variety of work from Crete in the south to Norway in the north. Unlike you with little experience from you dull and boring career.
Showing your cluelessness again there though. The eastern Europeans don’t cherry pick the fridge work from Ireland, they may do the odd load but not often. The runs are shorter because the likes of the Italians aren’t buying anywhere near as much Irish beef as they used to. You may not have noticed but the whole of Europe is struggling a bit. Driving faster for less hours would cause more problems than it solves, but you can’t see that through your blinkered eyes
It seems that we’ve arrived at a total opposing view although I’m not just basing my ideas on fridge work.There’s loads of different types of haulage and trunking operations which would benefit more from an increase in the driving hours and speed limit than those who wouldn’t.While getting rid of the idea of mixing driving with 15 hour days would certainly help the situation related to cutting the risks of driver fatigue.
yea ok if did that it means that I wouldnt be able to finish loading wine in spain on a thursday afternoon and still be back in Folkestone for the weekend on the friday afternoon as i wouldnt have the hourse left in the day to make some of the way back up through France.
Oh right so you’ve decided you want to increase driving hours now?! What happened to the 11 hour working day at which point you tell your boss ‘I’m parking up now’? Jesus your all over the place.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Still digging then. Unlike you I’ve done plenty of longer runs too thanks. And still occasionally do. Denmark two weeks ago. I see it from the perspective of someone who’s done a large variety of work from Crete in the south to Norway in the north. Unlike you with little experience from you dull and boring career.
Showing your cluelessness again there though. The eastern Europeans don’t cherry pick the fridge work from Ireland, they may do the odd load but not often. The runs are shorter because the likes of the Italians aren’t buying anywhere near as much Irish beef as they used to. You may not have noticed but the whole of Europe is struggling a bit. Driving faster for less hours would cause more problems than it solves, but you can’t see that through your blinkered eyes
It seems that we’ve arrived at a total opposing view although I’m not just basing my ideas on fridge work.There’s loads of different types of haulage and trunking operations which would benefit more from an increase in the driving hours and speed limit than those who wouldn’t.While getting rid of the idea of mixing driving with 15 hour days would certainly help the situation related to cutting the risks of driver fatigue.
Increasing the driving hours AND speed limit will be more dangerous than what we have at the minute.
You have no idea on fridge work at all, maybe your trunking was fridge, but not real world. My earlier example was fridge work, and delays are part and parcel of the job. The firm in question plan most jobs on 12hrs days, but due to delays they regularly turn into 15’s
switchlogic:
Oh right so you’ve decided you want to increase driving hours now?! What happened to the 11 hour working day at which point you tell your boss ‘I’m parking up now’? Jesus your all over the place.
He’s not, but he wants us to believe he has been! 
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Still digging then. Unlike you I’ve done plenty of longer runs too thanks. And still occasionally do. Denmark two weeks ago. I see it from the perspective of someone who’s done a large variety of work from Crete in the south to Norway in the north. Unlike you with little experience from you dull and boring career.
Showing your cluelessness again there though. The eastern Europeans don’t cherry pick the fridge work from Ireland, they may do the odd load but not often. The runs are shorter because the likes of the Italians aren’t buying anywhere near as much Irish beef as they used to. You may not have noticed but the whole of Europe is struggling a bit. Driving faster for less hours would cause more problems than it solves, but you can’t see that through your blinkered eyes
It seems that we’ve arrived at a total opposing view although I’m not just basing my ideas on fridge work.There’s loads of different types of haulage and trunking operations which would benefit more from an increase in the driving hours and speed limit than those who wouldn’t.While getting rid of the idea of mixing driving with 15 hour days would certainly help the situation related to cutting the risks of driver fatigue.
I wasn’t really talking about your ideas in the context of just fridge work. The fridge comment was a separate issue explaining why runs have got shorter.
Well I for one think that this ‘debate’ has been most entertaining.
taffytrucker:
Carryfast:
kr79:
Your not the first person who has asked that question on here lol
On carryfasts night trunk it may have been possible to streamline the operation to a bus like time table as its the same everyday.
But any of us with an idea of more varied work knows its not that easy.
Who here hasn’t had a day where we get caught up in a tailback on the motorway get to some industrial estate aimlessly looking for a place for half hour then when you get there be told sorry mate we are going to lunch be back in an hour. Get loaded except for one pallet that is due in anytime now. This turns up an hour later you drive out to get pulled by vosa. Next thing you know you have done a ten hour day but only 5 hours driving.
That’s why you need the flexibility of the 15 hour day that’s the real world not carryfasts it’s 220 miles away so it takes 4 hours to get there.
There has to be a point where so much time has been lost during the day through ‘other work’ and delays etc where that time can no longer just be added to the existing schedule without creating an extra fatigue risk.In which case my idea of knowing when to park up instead of just adding it to the day might just prevent the type of accident where someone’s luck runs out in trying to keep mixing driving with working 15 hour days.
Its called general haulage not a nice simple night trunk up the road to a nice waiting trailer to be hitched up…
I don’t think they’ll accept that as an excuse when the inevitable result of mixing 15 hour days with driving happens to someone who’s luck eventually runs out.
switchlogic:
Well I for one think that this ‘debate’ has been most entertaining.
+1
I also think it proves care in the community doesn’t work 
You make it sound as if people are crashing all over the place because of 15 hour days. I said it before I’ll say it again some of us have a bit more stamina than you Carryfast. Just because your a bit frail and feeble doesn’t mean we should all suffer.
