kr79:
No disrespect to carryfast but he is what my dad would describe as a council worker. Haulage isn’t a 9-5 job and never will be.
I think that’s why he never got the euro gig back in the day. As a kid I spent a fair few school holidays with my dad on Italian work and the usual crack was multiple collections of wine from vineyards all Thursday and Friday. Then one hit to Calais for Saturday night. I’m not saying its right but that was the job take it or leave it.
Gotta love the 15 collections to be done in couple days lol admire the 2 hr lunch break though
dessy:
I don’t mind working a 15 spread!! Just as long as I don’t have to argue with the Boss after to get paid for it!! Especially when they try the “Your on a salary” chestnut!
(from personal experience recently)
Did Paul knock a late?
Err! Yep! I’ve not been paid a single one up to now!! He agreed to pay one for a run in last Saturday morning! So will know for sure this Friday!!
I only took this job as I was lead to believe I would be “looked after” for the overtime! Sadly let down so far! Spoke to some old timers who said he never pays up! So I’m looking elsewhere now! Oh! And according to fat Dan! Your only a proper driver if you buff diesel tanks! Sad git!
I’m glad he told me he wouldn’t have a tipper driver in one of his motors now.
Carryfast:
It’s that ridiculous idea of turning an ordinary working day into almost two that makes a mockery of the idea of the 9-10 hour driving limits when someone can still be driving in the evening having started work at 4 am.The fact is 15 hour days are just a way of trying to compenstate for too much time spent zb’ing about doing ‘other work’ etc when the wagon and the driver should be rolling and earning enough during a reasonable time period of work and parked up before the point where the driver starts to become a liabity on the road through tiredness.
In view of that I’d bet that an 11 hour max day,without differentiating driving from other work,would be a more efficient and safer way of working for most types of long distance general haulage operations.That and raising the ridiculous 55 mph speed limits which just means more knackered drivers plodding around europe’s motorways when they could have done more miles with more rest at 65 mph max.
Doing other work is not necessarily the case. A place I go does this run on a regular basis Alfreton-Southampton-Andover-Alfreton. As the lorry is loaded and unloaded for you, the max other work on the shift is an hour, the rest is POA/Break.
I did the run on Sunday morning starting at 00.30 and was parked back in the yard at 12.00 (including and extra 45 mins on Rownham Services as I was running too early for Andover). My mate did it on Monday and took his full 15 hrs because of delays at both deliveries. On both days the driving time was within 15 mins of each other. And there lies the reason for the extra hours, alot of the time its due to delays outside your control.
However the important bit is that as I said it gets to Birmingham when it gets there and unlike you I wouldn’t be trying to do almost two days work in one.
Really and how long would you have been employed for with that ethos ■■?
CF I still go all over Europe and even on a drive only day with load checks,pre and post trip checks, coffee stops, fuel stops and stops to eat, a 9 hour drive takes more than your eutopian 11 hours I prefer to have a longer steadier day with plenty of breaks and not rush to cram it all into 11 hours.
Above all though, you haven’t done it so you have no relevant experience, facts or clue upon which to base your opinions
There’s no reason to expect that I would’nt have been employed for about as long as I was on uk work remembering that it was a zb’d back after 20 years that stopped me not any problem with that type of ‘ethos’.
Ironically no surprise that after I’d told that guvnor,who I’d been working for on general to zb off for exactly this type of issue,he actually called me asking me to go back and carry on working for him under my terms.Unfortunately for him I’d already got my old trunking job back just as promised to me when I was (rightly) laid off for a short period in order to keep one of the senior drivers,from another depot which was closing,in a job by giving him the job which I was doing at that time.
However I really can’t see why a ‘drive only day’ under my regs on euro work would be any different to night trunking under the old speed limits and no limiters regs.For example Heathrow-Leeds-Heathrow start at 20.00 and finished around 04.30-05.00 am.Within that time was pre trip and waiting to get loaded usually until around 9 pm,trailer swap and a 45 minute break and post trip and fill up before knocking off and going home.That seemed a good enough ‘work ethos’ to keep me in a job for 15 years.Just think how many more miles I could have done,if needed, during an 11 hour working shift.
However the only difference that I’m saying is that it’s wrong to expect drivers to extend the total day to 15 hours and to still be driving during that extended period in order to compensate for time spent zb’ing about doing other work over the course of the day.As I said in that case the other work should be subtracted from the time which ‘could/would’ have been spent driving and the load gets there when it gets there.However it will get there a lot sooner with a 65 mph speed limit and an 11 hour driving day being allowed than it would at 55 mph max and the 9-10 hour driving limit.Simples.
Still digging that hole I see Carryfast you clueless buffoon. Simples eh? Maybe in your strange mind even after showing you that on a fairly typical run you’d be hours or even a day behind. You’ve made yourself look even more of an idiot than usual on this one, might be time to stop though since you’ve no actual idea how euro work works. You couldn’t even get a basic thing like the ferries right.
kr79:
No disrespect to carryfast but he is what my dad would describe as a council worker. Haulage isn’t a 9-5 job and never will be.
I think that’s why he never got the euro gig back in the day. As a kid I spent a fair few school holidays with my dad on Italian work and the usual crack was multiple collections of wine from vineyards all Thursday and Friday. Then one hit to Calais for Saturday night. I’m not saying its right but that was the job take it or leave it.
No one is saying that it’s never been/can’t be done.However there’s an unnacceptable risk related to doing that type of thing,especially when combined with 55 mph max speeds,and there’s nothing clever about accepting that type of risk.
switchlogic:
Still digging that hole I see Carryfast you clueless buffoon. You’ve made yourself look even more of an idiot than usual on this one, might be time to stop though.
It all depends on your definition of clueless buffoon and wether the idea of just adding extra hours doing ‘other work’ to the working day,to the point where mixing 15 hour days and driving trucks becomes an accepted work culture,fits that description.As opposed to my idea of knowing when to call it a day by subtracting those extra hours instead of adding them and having the bottle to tell the guvnor it gets there when it gets there.
switchlogic:
Still digging that hole I see Carryfast you clueless buffoon. You’ve made yourself look even more of an idiot than usual on this one, might be time to stop though.
It all depends on your definition of clueless buffoon and wether the idea of just adding extra hours doing ‘other work’ to the working day,to the point where mixing 15 hour days and driving trucks becomes an accepted work culture,fits that description.As opposed to my idea of knowing when to call it a day by subtracting those extra hours instead of adding them and having the bottle to tell the guvnor it gets there when it gets there.
Yep totally clueless. Basically what you advocate is changing an entire culture across Europe in warehouses, factories and transport companies. Not to mention that running at 65mph would be disastrously expensive. Besides why would you be telling the boss ‘it gets there when it gets there’ in a defensive fashion? I thought your way was much quicker. Your problem is you haven’t got a clue, not only about euro work but it’s fairly evident you don’t have a clue about any aspect of the transport industry outside of what you did in your very narrow and seemingly very boring driving career. Sorry but you simply have no idea. When did you retire?
I mean, when you posted your alternative day and how you’d have done it in your fantasy world you got absolutely nothing right. You even got the day of the week wrong…
switchlogic:
Still digging that hole I see Carryfast you clueless buffoon. You’ve made yourself look even more of an idiot than usual on this one, might be time to stop though.
It all depends on your definition of clueless buffoon and wether the idea of just adding extra hours doing ‘other work’ to the working day,to the point where mixing 15 hour days and driving trucks becomes an accepted work culture,fits that description.As opposed to my idea of knowing when to call it a day by subtracting those extra hours instead of adding them and having the bottle to tell the guvnor it gets there when it gets there.
Yep totally clueless. Basically what you advocate is changing an entire culture across Europe in warehouses, factories and transport companies. Not to mention that running at 65mph would be disastrously expensive. Besides why would you be telling the boss ‘it gets there when it gets there’ in a defensive fashion? I thought your way was much quicker. Your problem is you haven’t got a clue, not only about euro work but it’s fairly evident you don’t have a clue about any aspect of the transport industry outside of what you did in your very narrow and seemingly very boring driving career. Sorry but you simply have no idea. When did you retire?
My way or any other way isn’t going to be quick enough to make up for an extra 5 hours of ‘other work’ in a day.In which case subtracting those hours instead of adding them wouldn’t have been a case of defencively telling the guvnor it gets there when it gets there.It’s just a matter of fact and if he wants someone who’s prepared to mix 15 hour days with driving trucks then that obviously ain’t going to be me.But as I’ve said I have got experience of having done exactly that on uk general and as I said it was him who called me back afterwards asking me to go back not vice versa.
However the fact is it’ll get there a lot quicker with regs that allow 65 mph motorway speeds and 11 hours of driving than what we’ve got now.
Carryfast:
However the only difference that I’m saying is that it’s wrong to expect drivers to extend the total day to 15 hours and to still be driving during that extended period in order to compensate for time spent zb’ing about doing other work over the course of the day.As I said in that case the other work should be subtracted from the time which ‘could/would’ have been spent driving and the load gets there when it gets there.However it will get there a lot sooner with a 65 mph speed limit and an 11 hour driving day being allowed than it would at 55 mph max and the 9-10 hour driving limit.Simples.
You don’t see why our days should be extended but you want us to all do an extra 2 hours a day ■■?
You realise that with a 15 min pretrip, 15 mins to fill up and at least 2 x 45s that even a drive only day in Crazyfast land is already at 13 hours. Hardly much of a difference from the 15 you decry
Not to mention why should lads happy doing 9 hour drives be stuck with 11 hour drives thanks to you ■■
Or perhaps the job losses that would result from it ■■? E.G. a trailer going 700 miles only needs one driver now not a changeover and thus 2 ■■? Your crackpot idea would put drivers out of work and cost a fortune in fuel.
Congratulations comrade union man you just shafted your fellow drivers big time
Back to the asylum you go to stroke one off to Smokey and the bandit
I’d be interested to know that if a company ran trucks drinking diesel like its going out of fashion running at 65 and populated by the likes of Carryfast wether it would go bust because of the cost of fuel or loss of work due to the bad attitude of its drivers who never get anywhere on time. You sound like a nightmare employee Carry.
switchlogic:
Still digging that hole I see Carryfast you clueless buffoon. You’ve made yourself look even more of an idiot than usual on this one, might be time to stop though.
It all depends on your definition of clueless buffoon and wether the idea of just adding extra hours doing ‘other work’ to the working day,to the point where mixing 15 hour days and driving trucks becomes an accepted work culture,fits that description.As opposed to my idea of knowing when to call it a day by subtracting those extra hours instead of adding them and having the bottle to tell the guvnor it gets there when it gets there.
Yep totally clueless. Basically what you advocate is changing an entire culture across Europe in warehouses, factories and transport companies. Not to mention that running at 65mph would be disastrously expensive. Besides why would you be telling the boss ‘it gets there when it gets there’ in a defensive fashion? I thought your way was much quicker. Your problem is you haven’t got a clue, not only about euro work but it’s fairly evident you don’t have a clue about any aspect of the transport industry outside of what you did in your very narrow and seemingly very boring driving career. Sorry but you simply have no idea. When did you retire?
My way or any other way isn’t going to be quick enough to make up for an extra 5 hours of ‘other work’ in a day.In which case subtracting those hours instead of adding them wouldn’t have been a case of defencively telling the guvnor it gets there when it gets there.It’s just a matter of fact and if he wants someone who’s prepared to mix 15 hour days with driving trucks then that obviously ain’t going to be me.But as I’ve said I have got experience of having done exactly that on uk general and as I said it was him who called me back afterwards asking me to go back not vice versa.
However the fact is it’ll get there a lot quicker with regs that allow 65 mph motorway speeds and 11 hours of driving than what we’ve got now.
Your not the first person who has asked that question on here lol
On carryfasts night trunk it may have been possible to streamline the operation to a bus like time table as its the same everyday.
But any of us with an idea of more varied work knows its not that easy.
Who here hasn’t had a day where we get caught up in a tailback on the motorway get to some industrial estate aimlessly looking for a place for half hour then when you get there be told sorry mate we are going to lunch be back in an hour. Get loaded except for one pallet that is due in anytime now. This turns up an hour later you drive out to get pulled by vosa. Next thing you know you have done a ten hour day but only 5 hours driving.
That’s why you need the flexibility of the 15 hour day that’s the real world not carryfasts it’s 220 miles away so it takes 4 hours to get there.
Carryfast:
However the only difference that I’m saying is that it’s wrong to expect drivers to extend the total day to 15 hours and to still be driving during that extended period in order to compensate for time spent zb’ing about doing other work over the course of the day.As I said in that case the other work should be subtracted from the time which ‘could/would’ have been spent driving and the load gets there when it gets there.However it will get there a lot sooner with a 65 mph speed limit and an 11 hour driving day being allowed than it would at 55 mph max and the 9-10 hour driving limit.Simples.
You don’t see why our days should be extended but you want us to all do an extra 2 hours a day ■■?
You realise that with a 15 min pretrip, 15 mins to fill up and at least 2 x 45s that even a drive only day in Crazyfast land is already at 13 hours. Hardly much of a difference from the 15 you decry
Not to mention why should lads happy doing 9 hour drives be stuck with 11 hour drives thanks to you ■■
Or perhaps the job losses that would result from it ■■? E.G. a trailer going 700 miles only needs one driver now not a changeover and thus 2 ■■? Your crackpot idea would put drivers out of work and cost a fortune in fuel.
Congratulations comrade union man you just shafted your fellow drivers big time
Back to the asylum you go to stroke one off to Smokey and the bandit
Blimey so what you’re saying is that all the handle/hack anything lot can’t actually hack adding between half to one hour extra driving time on each side of the existing 45 minute break but they’re happy to mix 55 mph running with a 15 hour day.
The 65 mph limit and extra driving time would probably create more jobs by making more trunk runs and long distance runs viable that aren’t at the moment.
It seems to me like it’s the lunatics that have taken over the asylum.
switchlogic:
I’d be interested to know that if a company ran trucks drinking diesel like its going out of fashion running at 65 and populated by the likes of Carryfast wether it would go bust because of the cost of fuel or loss of work due to the bad attitude of its drivers who never get anywhere on time. You sound like a nightmare employee Carry.
As far as I remember it was the eu tossers who imposed the 55 mph limit and speed limiters on the guvnors not the guvnors who asked for it.It was also the US guvnors who asked the US government to raise the federal 55 mph limit of the 1970’s so that they could get more work done and to help the drivers to stay awake instead of driving into ditches and each other while plodding around the country at that speed.If what you’re saying is right it would have been the guvnors here who limited their own wagons to 55 mph long before the eu imposed it on them and the US govnors would be shouting for the return of the federal 55 mph limit.
However it’s not surprising that you’re only able to see it all from the perspective of doing the type of work that’s left after the east europeans have cherry picked all the longer runs where my idea really would blow yours out of the water and then some.
switchlogic:
I’d be interested to know that if a company ran trucks drinking diesel like its going out of fashion running at 65 and populated by the likes of Carryfast wether it would go bust because of the cost of fuel or loss of work due to the bad attitude of its drivers who never get anywhere on time. You sound like a nightmare employee Carry.
As far as I remember it was the eu tossers who imposed the 55 mph limit and speed limiters on the guvnors not the guvnors who asked for it.It was also the US guvnors who asked the US government to raise the federal 55 mph limit of the 1970’s so that they could get more work done and to help the drivers to stay awake instead of driving into ditches and each other while plodding around the country at that speed.If what you’re saying is right it would have been the guvnors here who limited their own wagons to 55 mph long before the eu imposed it on them and the US govnors would be shouting for the return of the federal 55 mph limit.
However it’s not surprising that you’re only able to see it all from the perspective of doing the type of work that’s left after the east europeans have cherry picked all the longer runs where my idea really would blow yours out of the water and then some.
Explain please, how one goes about “cherry picking all the longer runs”. Who are these mysterious Easterners? Do they live among us? What’s the most efficient speed vs wind resistance compromise? Do you take drugs?
Still digging then. Unlike you I’ve done plenty of longer runs too thanks. And still occasionally do. Denmark two weeks ago. I see it from the perspective of someone who’s done a large variety of work from Crete in the south to Norway in the north. Unlike you with little experience from you dull and boring career.
Showing your cluelessness again there though. The eastern Europeans don’t cherry pick the fridge work from Ireland, they may do the odd load but not often. The runs are shorter because the likes of the Italians aren’t buying anywhere near as much Irish beef as they used to. You may not have noticed but the whole of Europe is struggling a bit. Driving faster for less hours would cause more problems than it solves, but you can’t see that through your blinkered eyes
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