I was talking about the inadequacies of your erratic posting skills . Nice try though.
Carryfast:
It’s not an inadequacy to go by the logic that the risks of fatigue will be less and it’s better to get all the driving done with during the course of a 12 hour overall day (spread),than it is to extend that day (spread) to 15 thereby still having to be driving over the course of a 15 hour shift than a 12 hour one.
Utter ■■■■■■■■ Carryfast. 
In simple maths for you champ… I have a 10 hour drive to do. Should I squeeze it into the bare minimum of your cockahoop day or spread it out at MY leisure ■■?
In my experience the issue mostly comes down to that of guvnors trying to increase the working day,to compensate for time lost,to too much time spent zb’ing about not running anywhere during a shift,than anything to do with getting bored because you’ve parked up at a reasonable time since starting work for the day.
My dog has done more miles on general than you so stop osing “your experience” as the yard stick. I once stitched a cut up on a horse so “in my vast experience as a vet” 
But I certainly don’t ever remember the guvnor trying to use the excuse that I’d get ‘bored’ and get too much sleep by parking up at 16.00-17.00 after starting at 04.00-05.00.
Extrapolating my comment to derise it ■■ that was my personal observation from decades of “experience”
The fact fact was,in my experience,the extra time that he wanted me to add to the day was all about the zb work he was doing and had zb all to do with me being more ‘relaxed’.It was all about extending the overall day to get the load tipped or the wagon further along the road to the next job or back to the yard to run out the following morning again for another day of doing the same zb work.
Welcome to transport, feel free to come in and look around. I doubt you’ll like it though
Carryfast:
I think you must have missed umpteen previous posts telling you that I have ‘done it’ and had exactly the same argument with a guvnor who had similar ideas to yours except in his case it was definitely all about getting more work done by extending the day.
No I’ve read a few vague ramblings which I am at best sceptical of. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt on them, they add up to nowhere near a varied tangible knowledge base. See my “vet” and “dog” comments above
Parking up and calling it a day isn’t ‘smashing’ 11 hours of work into 12 at all because by doing so you’ve actually reduced the amount of work that got done that day by leaving it to carry on with tomorrow.Which is the key to the difference in my thinking to his and obviously yours.
No it isn’t (for the umpteenth time) by limiting the shift time you put pressure on the working day [period] Your take on transport is so unrealistic it’s frankly laughable
However as for the Teamsters I’ve already said the unions anywhere don’t have a clue as shown by the fact that the unions here are prepared to accept the idea of drivers driving trucks during the course of 15 hour shifts.
However if the unions don’t agree with me and believe all those 'studies, maybe they’d like to try a test in which they try one of those old fashioned 24 hour + shifts by spending 15 hours playing cards and then going out and driving a truck for just 9-10 hours over the course of a 15 hour shift.
So just to summarise here … the vastly experienced drivers, owner drivers, owners, transport managers etc on this thread don’t agree with you. The union, DOT and actual research also take a contrary view. Yet after a limited career of night trunking and 5 minutes on general you know better ■■?
I say again, seek professional help 
billybigrig:
Carryfast:
Utter ■■■■■■■■ Carryfast.The fact fact was,in my experience,the extra time that he wanted me to add to the day was all about the zb work he was doing and had zb all to do with me being more ‘relaxed’.It was all about extending the overall day to get the load tipped or the wagon further along the road to the next job or back to the yard to run out the following morning again for another day of doing the same zb work.
Welcome to transport, feel free to come in and look around. I doubt you’ll like it though
Simple maths says that I’d either get more miles covered or get finished sooner and be less knackered running the same 10 hours drive at 65 mph over the course of a 12 hour shift instead of that same 10 hour drive at 55 mph over the course of a 15 hour shift.
As I’ve said I did like it just as soon as I got back onto my old trunking job.However the same type of full load direct runs,with 11 hours max over a 12 spread,at the same type of speeds,on long distance international would have been perfect.
billybigrig:
Carryfast:
Parking up and calling it a day isn’t ‘smashing’ 11 hours of work into 12 at all because by doing so you’ve actually reduced the amount of work that got done that day by leaving it to carry on with tomorrow.Which is the key to the difference in my thinking to his and obviously yours.
No it isn’t (for the umpteenth time) by limiting the shift time you put pressure on the working day [period] Your take on transport is so unrealistic it’s frankly laughable
How the zb was I putting pressure on my working ‘day’ when I cut it short from what the guvnor wanted me to actually do thereby doing ‘less’ than he wanted me to do and thereby carrying on with some of the work that he wanted to be done in one day by shifting it onto the following day.Which then meant that less got done the following day as well than the amount that he wanted me to get done that day.So on and so forth.The fact is I was doing less work and shorter days instead of more work over longer days.
However the fact that there were no such things as limiters and we had a 60 mph speed limit on motorways actually got more work done than otherwise would have been the case if I’d have been plodding around on the motorways at 55 mph over the course of a week.
65 mph at night maybe but what about the day driver who has to contend with the m25 or m6 round Birmingham. That’s where the 15 hour day wins the driver can ever stop and have a break for a bit to let the traffic die down or sit in it your way and lose time.
If running further afield in Europe you may cover a bit more ground on drive only days but will lose it and more due to the French liking a two hour lunch break and our Spanish freinds buggering off for a siesta every afternoon.
And that’s before we get on to having a few collections. Oh I forgot you will sit there waiting for a full load.
Carryfast:
Longman5978:
I will be at work Monday for 14 hours approx. but will be safer than carryfast and his 65mph 11 hour day . . I will start at 6am and after a walk round check coffee etc I will have a leisurely 20 min drive from brum to Lichfield to tip, will be clear about 8 ish to then have another leisurely drive (55mph) upto Wakefield for a collection of goods they produce throughout that day, I will be there about 10am and know already that I will not go into load until 3pm so will have a 5 hour window to sleep, eat or clean my cab, after loading and waiting for paperwork I will head back to brum at about 5.30 pm and arrive in brum to re fuel and book off by 8pm. Although I will have been ‘at work’ for 14 hours I’m sure any1 would agree that that is an easier day than not wanting to faf about waiting to load/tip and racing round at 65mph for 11hours!! It’s also how a lot of bus drivers shifts work ( my brother ) who will do an 8 hour shift split into 2, 4 hours on bus, 4 hours off, then 4 hours back on again! 12 hours but an easy day
As he will get to go home for 4 hours in between, I stand to be corrected!Longman.
Split shifts 15 hour spreads etc etc.Yeah right the jobs from hell that everyone wants.Maybe you’d change your mind if you actually had to drive more than a few miles in a shift.
Although judging by the logic of most on here,which you seem to agree with,I’d doubt it.
There you go again persuming that that is all i do day in day out, I do and have done all sorts including distance/euro/locals and multi drop and does not make me want to change my mind as I can take the rough days or the smooth days, short shifts or split/long shifts. At the end of the day I drive artics I knew the laws and regulations when I started and took the job on, if over the years I found I couldn’t cope with more than 11 hours I’d have ■■■■■■ off by now to some other job! !
Longman.
ERRR, Its 2012 time 15 spread was banned and reduced to 10 once a week nless spent in a travle lodge or sim.
fuse:
ERRR, Its 2012 time 15 spread was banned and reduced to 10 once a week nless spent in a travle lodge or sim.
fuse:
ERRR, Its 2012 time 15 spread was banned and reduced to 10 once a week nless spent in a travle lodge or sim.
10 are you mad, should be 8 hours max, and a minimum 4 star hotel.
I WAS THINKING OF MAYBE 6 BUT I THOUGHT YOU ALL WOULD THINK I WAS BEING SILLY
Also the boss should provide a ■■■■■■ or rent boy of your choice.
kr79:
Also the boss should provide a ■■■■■■ or rent boy of your choice.
Mine did at time’s, although he probably didn’t realise that he was paying for it at the time
Regards
Dave Penn;
davepenn54:
kr79:
Also the boss should provide a ■■■■■■ or rent boy of your choice.Mine did at time’s,
Regards
Dave Penn;
The boss or the rent boy?
switchlogic:
fuse:
ERRR, Its 2012 time 15 spread was banned and reduced to 10 once a week nless spent in a travle lodge or sim.10 are you mad, should be 8 hours max, and a minimum 4 star hotel.
yeah and whilst we are on the right line don’t forget to reduce driving time to 4.5 hours as by the time u have 45 break it will be pointless carrying on!
Longman.
Ah yes good point. So we are agreed then, we will petition our local MEPs to get hours to reduced 6 hour max working day, four and a half hours driving, and a ■■■ worker of the drivers choosing. I’m writing the letter as we speak.
switchlogic:
Ah yes good point. So we are agreed then, we will petition our local MEPs to get hours to reduced 6 hour max working day, four and a half hours driving, and a ■■■ worker of the drivers choosing. I’m writing the letter as we speak.
You need to add in that driving may not be carried out on any consecutive day, to give the driver sufficient respite from struggling with a tilt sheet on his own, unless the ■■■ worker assists.
Plus, work only 4 consecutive days in any one (fixed) week - to ensure a minimum of 70 hour weekly rest…
ok then here was my run on Friday night. Bridgend - Newport pick up trailer - tip at tesco Weybridge round to TDG @ northfleet for reload back to Newport change trailers and back to Bridgend to clock off just under 10 hrs drive and a 14 hour night. Going by CF’s plan i would have stuck in Clacket for a 9 hour break rather then back home therefore costing my boss more money!!! Great Plan CF
Taffytrucker - please don’t go around trying to confuse Curryfart with logic, there’s a good chap