OVLOV JAY:
Those who can, drive. Those who can’t, night trunk
Although some night trunkers could stay in the job without having to join the ‘drivers’ on days because nights ‘were killing them’.
CF, when you’ve done more than 30 miles driving, then you can comment, until then, I’d shut the hell up if I was you
Which part of Heathrow-Leeds-Heathrow or Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow or Heathrow-Killington Lake-Heathrow in a shift as some examples don’t you zb understand.
robroy:
12 pages earlier a guy asked if he could be planned for a 15hr day, then it turns into a ■■■■■■■ contest between Luke & CF, some points made by both parties are valid, but the bottom line is 15 hour days ARE too long from both social and safety points of view. Whenever this aspect of the job is discussed on here you always get the,… it’s part of the job,… you knew when you started what it would entail,… if it doesn’t suit you shouldn’t be doing it,etc etc and so on, mostly from the guys who would work 24hrs (done that also ) if it was allowed, ok maybe they are valid points, but just because it is legal to work 15hr days it doesn’t make it safe and socially acceptable, and the fact that some of us have to work these hours to make only a living wage, not a good wage is another argument for another day. The argument that says it is the nature of the job can be answered with the fact that there is a vast need for improvement. Luke seems to be saying that the present limits are better than the hours he worked for the Dutch and Irish which I would agree, as I have done similar crazy things in my time, but surely that should not be used as a criteria to justify a lesser of the two evils. Please don’t come back with the old you are in the wrong job routine( yawn ) I’ll save you the bother as I realised this around 1990 when the first signs of this job turning to crap came about…Here’s to another 12 pages
It isn’t legal to “work” 15 hour days, the only thing that 15 does is leave you 9 hours to take a rest period. The day starts at 6am, by 9 pm you are in the pub or restaurant. Office workers in a big city do the same thing, the difference is they do not get paid to drive or commute 3 hours each way… The driver still has to take breaks and we all get a lot of POA. The office or shop worker gets 15 or 20 minutes with a sandwich at the desk or in the storeroom.
If you are lucky enough to have a one dropper to Spain or Italy, you will probably be starting at 6am and sat in the bar by 4pm
It has been mentioned many many times that the drivers hours regulations are flexible, both for the driver and the operator to be somewhere that they need or want to be, whether that is for the weekend or just for that night for grab a granny.
The drivers hours regs,as they stand,are actually just an eu inspired zb up dreamt up by a load of idiots based on the idea that 15 hours in the course of an overall working day is safer than when they had nutters (mention no names) doing 24 hour + days instead.Whereas as both myself and del 1949 have pointed out the idea of an 11 hour working day,regardless of driving/poa,or other work,and around 12 hours overall working day is/was/would be safer all round.In which case there’s no need for the eu,or you,to tell us all the amount of daily rest which that leaves after subtracting it from the 24 hours which make up a day.
OVLOV JAY:
Those who can, drive. Those who can’t, night trunk
Although some night trunkers could stay in the job without having to join the ‘drivers’ on days because nights ‘were killing them’.
CF, when you’ve done more than 30 miles driving, then you can comment, until then, I’d shut the hell up if I was you
Which part of Heathrow-Leeds-Heathrow or Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow or Heathrow-Killington Lake-Heathrow in a shift as some examples don’t you zb understand.
WOW! A real bad-■■■ trucker, aren’t you?
If that means that I always knew when to call it a day before becoming an absolute zb liability on the road unlike some out there yes.
wrcmark:
can my boss plan me for 15 hour spread when he wants to ■■?
Assuming he’s assessed the risk of you working such a long day then yes it should be ok
All his responsabilities are outlined in HSE document INDG382.
I’ve always seen the responsibilty of driving a truck in the same way as being the captain of a ship.The maximum permited hours are just that not a target and it’s my job to ‘assess the risk’ of the time spent doing the job v the fatigue issue not the boss.
Oh my This thread looks like it is going to go on for another 12 pages or so But why We all know what the driving hour regs ; are and yes you can be planned to do a 15hr shift but one contributor to this thread, as always wants to take things in a direction that gives him/her an opportunity to spout off the usual bull crap The big problem is that Mr Carryfast makes comments and assertions about things that he has no experience of doing and when guys with experience of that particular type of job he (carryfast) does his best to put down those people with his superior knowledge of the haulage game which he hasn’t got and never will be able to get.
OK as far as I remember you drove for the council and then did a bit of GH work but because the firm didn’t want to do it your way you left, but later on the gaffer asked you to come back maybe he just wanted an urgent one hit load doing and he knew that was all you was capable of doing I wouldn’t take that as a compliment I’ve usually found that when jobs are complicated the gaffer gives it to the driver he believes has got the most brain cells and won’t be on the phone every 10 mins.
And then you have run your career out night trunking and all that has taken 20yrs in total, correct me if I wrong, so in reality you (carryfast) have not got a broad experience of the transport industry. I feel quite sorry for you as in previous posts you have said that you couldn’t get a start on continental work because You have given several reasons for this but cannot be arsed to go back and find them, but I’m sure the company’s that look in on this site are rueing the day they didn’t give you a start
del949:
it worked well when I first started driving
12.5 spread
11 duty
10 driving
So, yes, in general I do agree.
I know it ain’t gonna happen though.
You forgot to mention the utopian weekly rest period which was only 24 hours every week, with no compensation. Does the modern day driver want to go back to that?
6 days per week, with up to 60 hours driving and only 1/2 hour daily breaks.
Remember the reduced rest period is only allowed 3 times so a 15 hour spreadover is a bit misleading, but it is where the media get their ideas from.
"Lorry driver had worked 15 hours without a break and his 44tonne load fell off and squashed a set of twins.
i think any driver that can’t stay awake for 21 hours per day for a 2 week period should have his licence revoked.
that’ll get rid of the winging 50mph, hourly paid pricks, and free up the roads for the ones that want to make some money.
robroy:
but just because it is legal to work 15hr days it doesn’t make it safe and socially acceptable
It isn’t legal to “work” 15 hour days.
Believe it or not Wheel Nut even I am not that stupid to interperet a “15hr day” as literally WORKING 15hrs ,I was speaking in a general context,and did not think it neccessary to explain that fact, but hey…thanks for trying to put me right
I will be at work Monday for 14 hours approx. but will be safer than carryfast and his 65mph 11 hour day . . I will start at 6am and after a walk round check coffee etc I will have a leisurely 20 min drive from brum to Lichfield to tip, will be clear about 8 ish to then have another leisurely drive (55mph) upto Wakefield for a collection of goods they produce throughout that day, I will be there about 10am and know already that I will not go into load until 3pm so will have a 5 hour window to sleep, eat or clean my cab, after loading and waiting for paperwork I will head back to brum at about 5.30 pm and arrive in brum to re fuel and book off by 8pm. Although I will have been ‘at work’ for 14 hours I’m sure any1 would agree that that is an easier day than not wanting to faf about waiting to load/tip and racing round at 65mph for 11hours!! It’s also how a lot of bus drivers shifts work ( my brother ) who will do an 8 hour shift split into 2, 4 hours on bus, 4 hours off, then 4 hours back on again! 12 hours but an easy day
As he will get to go home for 4 hours in between, I stand to be corrected!
del949:
it worked well when I first started driving
12.5 spread
11 duty
10 driving
So, yes, in general I do agree.
I know it ain’t gonna happen though.
You forgot to mention the utopian weekly rest period which was only 24 hours every week, with no compensation. Does the modern day driver want to go back to that?
6 days per week, with up to 60 hours driving and only 1/2 hour daily breaks.
Remember the reduced rest period is only allowed 3 times so a 15 hour spreadover is a bit misleading, but it is where the media get their ideas from.
"Lorry driver had worked 15 hours without a break and his 44tonne load fell off and squashed a set of twins.
You seem to have missed the bit where I also said that there’s no reason why that couldn’t also include 48 hours weekly rest with the possibilty to reduce it away from base to get limeyphil home.But that wouldn’t have fitted the 10 word limit.
A 15 hour spreadover isn’t misleading at all for those days where it’s used (more likely imposed) on some poor mug who gets ‘asked’ to start at 20.00 then wait for an hour or so to get loaded then drive for 4 hours + at 55 mph max on a run that could have been done a lot faster at 65 mph,then zb about for hours waiting or helping to load/tip etc etc etc.Then drive back for another 4 hours + at the same 55 mph where his luck runs out as he ploughs into a tail back at around 10.00 the following morning.Because by that time his perception and reaction times,in dealing with the obstruction ahead,weren’t all they should have been.
I love how you make it sound like drivers are crashing all over the place because they worked over 11 hours. Like I said before we’re not all as feeble as you old chap.
Longman5978:
I will be at work Monday for 14 hours approx. but will be safer than carryfast and his 65mph 11 hour day . . I will start at 6am and after a walk round check coffee etc I will have a leisurely 20 min drive from brum to Lichfield to tip, will be clear about 8 ish to then have another leisurely drive (55mph) upto Wakefield for a collection of goods they produce throughout that day, I will be there about 10am and know already that I will not go into load until 3pm so will have a 5 hour window to sleep, eat or clean my cab, after loading and waiting for paperwork I will head back to brum at about 5.30 pm and arrive in brum to re fuel and book off by 8pm. Although I will have been ‘at work’ for 14 hours I’m sure any1 would agree that that is an easier day than not wanting to faf about waiting to load/tip and racing round at 65mph for 11hours!! It’s also how a lot of bus drivers shifts work ( my brother ) who will do an 8 hour shift split into 2, 4 hours on bus, 4 hours off, then 4 hours back on again! 12 hours but an easy day
As he will get to go home for 4 hours in between, I stand to be corrected!
Longman.
Split shifts 15 hour spreads etc etc.Yeah right the jobs from hell that everyone wants.Maybe you’d change your mind if you actually had to drive more than a few miles in a shift.
Although judging by the logic of most on here,which you seem to agree with,I’d doubt it.
This thread looks like it is going to go on for another 12 pages or so 
We all know what the driving hour regs ; are and yes you can be planned to do a 15hr shift but one contributor to this thread, as always wants to take things in a direction that gives him/her an opportunity to spout off the usual bull crap 
