15 hour spread

kr79:
At the end of the day any idiot can trunk between depots but not everyone can hack general haulage or your so called zb local multi drop work. Because that requires flexibility and common sense.

Yeah right.Everyone with common sense are all only looking for zb local multi drop/collection work and multi drop/collection general haulage jobs which involve loads of time doing ‘other work’ etc etc during the day and are happy with doing 15 hour days.

While no one with any sense would want long distance trunking work or full load long distance general haulage jobs which provide the type of hours in which a driver gets finished/parked up and isn’t expected to still be driving up to 15 hours after starting work for the day.

The fact is it’s only the idiots who can’t understand the difference.

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

Neither of which you seem to have any experience of…

It was you who said that you’ve got no experience of direct return runs between Heathrow and Leeds for example which is about as ‘long distance’ as UK work gets in a day (with the exception of some other examples like Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow which took a bit longer) and my experience of multi drop was enough to know that it’s zb work to be avoided and left for all the other mugs that want to do it.A bit like 15 hour days. :unamused:

No experience of direct runs between Heathrow and Leeds, oh god your right, my career has been a complete failure. If only I was as experienced as you then I’d know it all…

I think my answer was all about my experience not yours.I couldn’t really give a zb what experience you may or may not have.

Although ‘if’/assuming some of your previous posts,concerning long hours,are true and ‘if’ they relate to your experiences personally :question: you obviously would have had some ‘experience’ in not knowing when to call it a day and park up before causing a driver fatigue risk and liability on the road.

If so that would obviously explain the reasons as to why you can’t understand and wouldn’t support my similar comments directed towards the EU regulations as they stand at present and the EU officials who dreamt them up.

Full load long distance general haulage what’s that then. Although I’ve only done a little general haulage I know it’s general haulage and one day it might be a full load with one drop 500 miles away the next collection could be 5 drops round builders merchants the next day two or three local runs out of the docks. That’s why it’s general haulage
Even your mythical sacred euro work ain’t that straight forward when I used to go with my dad as a kid it was usually 1 drop in Italy and multi collections of wine or groupage back. As I stated before this usually involved poncing round all day then big miles up the road all night.

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

Neither of which you seem to have any experience of…

It was you who said that you’ve got no experience of direct return runs between Heathrow and Leeds for example which is about as ‘long distance’ as UK work gets in a day (with the exception of some other examples like Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow which took a bit longer) and my experience of multi drop was enough to know that it’s zb work to be avoided and left for all the other mugs that want to do it.A bit like 15 hour days. :unamused:

No experience of direct runs between Heathrow and Leeds, oh god your right, my career has been a complete failure. If only I was as experienced as you then I’d know it all…

I think my answer was all about my experience not yours.I couldn’t really give a zb what experience you may or may not have.

Although ‘if’/assuming some of your previous posts,concerning long hours,are true and ‘if’ they relate to your experiences personally :question: you obviously would have had some ‘experience’ in not knowing when to call it a day and park up before causing a driver fatigue risk and liability on the road.

If so that would obviously explain the reasons as to why you can’t understand and wouldn’t support my similar comments directed towards the EU regulations as they stand at present and the EU officials who dreamt them up.

No one can understand you Carryfast no one supports you because your an under informed nut job. You don’t even know what you think yourself half the time your so inconsistent across your posts. You couldn’t hack it in the real world do now you’ve been sitting at home furiously tapping into a computer trying to make it in the virtual world, but your failing there too. Everyone thinks your a nut case.

I like nut cases though. I always manage to seek them out they are good entertainment.

kr79:
Full load long distance general haulage what’s that then. Although I’ve only done a little general haulage I know it’s general haulage and one day it might be a full load with one drop 500 miles away the next collection could be 5 drops round builders merchants the next day two or three local runs out of the docks. That’s why it’s general haulage
Even your mythical sacred euro work ain’t that straight forward when I used to go with my dad as a kid it was usually 1 drop in Italy and multi collections of wine or groupage back. As I stated before this usually involved poncing round all day then big miles up the road all night.

Although I only probably did less general than you did I do know enough about it to know that there were,probably still are,certain places that wouldn’t touch local or groupage type zb work.It was all distance work and all full loads which anyone who knows anything would know was one of the first type of questions which you’d ask when you went for the job.The problem is that a lot of those operators,who were lumbered with having to take what they could get,knew the score on that question when they got asked it and just said yes it’s all distance and it’s all full load stuff even though they knew that wasn’t the type of work which they specialised in at all. :imp:

In which case,just as you say,it could be a mixture of anything but in my experience it was all local/medium distance and/or part load multi drop/collection zb.Which was one of the reasons why myself and the guvnor weren’t on the best of terms to start with even before I got involved with telling him that I wasn’t prepared to have insult added to injury by adding all the extra time spent zb’ing about waiting to get loaded etc etc, which that type of work inevitably involved,to the day.

The same applied in regards to euro work and at that time it was the owner drivers who mostly cherry picked the type of work which gave them a full load out and then a full load back on runs to Italy etc.However what the zb would I know when there’s drivers out there who obviously know,or think they know,better.

Trust me it was that question which took place before asking for the rate for the job or the wage which the guvnor was offering.It’s just that the owner drivers were lucky enough not to have the issues,of guvnors trying to pass off zb work as decent work,that employed drivers did at the point of taking on the job.

Tha fact that you don’t seem to have got to understand all those issues yet seems a bit unusual considering that I’d learn’t most of that,except for that last issue of guvnors passing off zb work as decent work,even before I’d left the council.

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

Neither of which you seem to have any experience of…

It was you who said that you’ve got no experience of direct return runs between Heathrow and Leeds for example which is about as ‘long distance’ as UK work gets in a day (with the exception of some other examples like Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow which took a bit longer) and my experience of multi drop was enough to know that it’s zb work to be avoided and left for all the other mugs that want to do it.A bit like 15 hour days. :unamused:

No experience of direct runs between Heathrow and Leeds, oh god your right, my career has been a complete failure. If only I was as experienced as you then I’d know it all…

I think my answer was all about my experience not yours.I couldn’t really give a zb what experience you may or may not have.

Although ‘if’/assuming some of your previous posts,concerning long hours,are true and ‘if’ they relate to your experiences personally :question: you obviously would have had some ‘experience’ in not knowing when to call it a day and park up before causing a driver fatigue risk and liability on the road.

If so that would obviously explain the reasons as to why you can’t understand and wouldn’t support my similar comments directed towards the EU regulations as they stand at present and the EU officials who dreamt them up.

No one can understand you Carryfast no one supports you because your an under informed nut job. You don’t even know what you think yourself half the time your so inconsistent across your posts. You couldn’t hack it in the real world do now you’ve been sitting at home furiously tapping into a computer trying to make it in the virtual world, but your failing there too. Everyone thinks your a nut case.

Maybe before just lowering your argument to the usual one of just chucking insults around you could answer that question which I asked as to wether those previous comments you’d made,concerning (zb) long hours being worked mixed with driving,were all related to your own personal experience of having done those hours :question: .

Carryfast:
were all related to your own personal experience of having done those hours :question: .

Yes. I don’t really comment on things unless I have relevant experience to bring to the debate. Or try not to anyway.

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

Neither of which you seem to have any experience of…

It was you who said that you’ve got no experience of direct return runs between Heathrow and Leeds for example which is about as ‘long distance’ as UK work gets in a day (with the exception of some other examples like Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow which took a bit longer) and my experience of multi drop was enough to know that it’s zb work to be avoided and left for all the other mugs that want to do it.A bit like 15 hour days. :unamused:

No experience of direct runs between Heathrow and Leeds, oh god your right, my career has been a complete failure. If only I was as experienced as you then I’d know it all…

I think my answer was all about my experience not yours.I couldn’t really give a zb what experience you may or may not have.

Although ‘if’/assuming some of your previous posts,concerning long hours,are true and ‘if’ they relate to your experiences personally :question: you obviously would have had some ‘experience’ in not knowing when to call it a day and park up before causing a driver fatigue risk and liability on the road.

If so that would obviously explain the reasons as to why you can’t understand and wouldn’t support my similar comments directed towards the EU regulations as they stand at present and the EU officials who dreamt them up.

No one can understand you Carryfast no one supports you because your an under informed nut job. You don’t even know what you think yourself half the time your so inconsistent across your posts. You couldn’t hack it in the real world do now you’ve been sitting at home furiously tapping into a computer trying to make it in the virtual world, but your failing there too. Everyone thinks your a nut case.

Maybe before just lowering your argument to the usual one of just chucking insults around you could answer that question which I asked as to wether those previous comments you’d made,concerning (zb) long hours being worked mixed with driving,were all related to your own personal experience of having done those hours :question: .

Yes. I don’t really comment on things unless I have relevant experience to bring to the debate.

:open_mouth:

Ok.So ‘if’ I’ve read it right,that included not telling the guvnor to zb off when asked to do stuff like 24 hour + days mixed with driving during that period :question: :question: .

Didn’t need to, I was there through choice at companies renowned for running like that. I want an interesting life, not an easy one.

switchlogic:
Didn’t need to, I was there through choice at companies renowned for running like that. I want an interesting life, not an easy one.

Just to make it clear and to make sure I’ve read it right you’re saying that you were instructed to do 24 hours + in a shift which involved driving a truck on the public roads during all of that type of period and contrary to telling the guvnor to zb off you actually chose to follow the instruction :question: :question: .

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
Didn’t need to, I was there through choice at companies renowned for running like that. I want an interesting life, not an easy one.

Just to make it clear and to make sure I’ve read it right you’re saying that you were instructed to do 24 hours + in a shift which involved driving a truck on the public roads during all of that type of period and contrary to telling the guvnor to zb off you actually chose to follow the instruction :question: :question: .

My god man have you been living under a rock your whole life? Didn’t you know companies like this existed? Stop trying to trip me up, my past activities have been well documented on here. I chose to take the job in the first place. I loved it, they were the best days of my driving career and many who did the same will probably say the same. There are lots of us on here.

Cue Carryfast jumping onto his high horse as we speak and heading to higher ground…

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
Didn’t need to, I was there through choice at companies renowned for running like that. I want an interesting life, not an easy one.

Just to make it clear and to make sure I’ve read it right you’re saying that you were instructed to do 24 hours + in a shift which involved driving a truck on the public roads during all of that type of period and contrary to telling the guvnor to zb off you actually chose to follow the instruction :question: :question: .

My god man have you been living under a rock your whole life? Didn’t you know companies like this existed? Stop trying to trip me up, my past activities have been well documented on here. I chose to take the job in the first place. I loved it, they were the best days of my driving career and many who did the same will probably say the same. There are lots of us on here.

I’m not trying to trip you up I’m not saying that anyone is perfect.BUT.There are levels of wrong doing and it seems to me that you’re in no position to judge me and my past attitudes to the job and the way in which I’ve chosen to do it over the years.

I’ve always viewed drivers who take the absolute zb out of reasonable hours of work as no better than zb drunk drivers. :imp:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
Didn’t need to, I was there through choice at companies renowned for running like that. I want an interesting life, not an easy one.

Just to make it clear and to make sure I’ve read it right you’re saying that you were instructed to do 24 hours + in a shift which involved driving a truck on the public roads during all of that type of period and contrary to telling the guvnor to zb off you actually chose to follow the instruction :question: :question: .

My god man have you been living under a rock your whole life? Didn’t you know companies like this existed? Stop trying to trip me up, my past activities have been well documented on here. I chose to take the job in the first place. I loved it, they were the best days of my driving career and many who did the same will probably say the same. There are lots of us on here.

I’m not trying to trip you up I’m not saying that anyone is perfect.BUT.There are levels of wrong doing and it seems to me that you’re in no position to judge me and my past attitudes to the job and the way in which I’ve chosen to do it over the years.

I’ve always viewed drivers who take the absolute zb out of reasonable hours of work as no better than zb drunk drivers. :imp:

Well good for you aren’t you a good boy. I’m sure god will reward you. You judge everyone else and tell them they are wrong about the the actual job they do when you clearly have no idea about it so it’s a bit rich you telling me I shouldn’t judge you. You bring all this on yourself old bean with your ridiculous know all attitude. So I reckon we’re pretty much even, you consider me as bad as a drunk driver and I wouldn’t trust you with a rusty wheel barrow no matter how sober or awake you are. ONWARD

Carryfast:
Although I only probably did less general than you did I do know enough about it to know that there were,probably still are,certain places that wouldn’t touch local or groupage type zb work.

Few and far between and usually the worst payers

It was all distance work and all full loads which anyone who knows anything would know was one of the first type of questions which you’d ask when you went for the job.The problem is that a lot of those operators,who were lumbered with having to take what they could get,knew the score on that question when they got asked it and just said yes it’s all distance and it’s all full load stuff even though they knew that wasn’t the type of work which they specialised in at all. :imp:

Most sane operators would choose the best paying load and they were/are not one hitters. Freight doesn’t exist in multiples of 26 pallets, never has done. Many drivers would favour multiple drops to smaller premises rather than one shots to soul less warehouses spitting distance from a main roads.

In which case,just as you say,it could be a mixture of anything but in my experience it was all local/medium distance and/or part load multi drop/collection zb.Which was one of the reasons why myself and the guvnor weren’t on the best of terms to start with even before I got involved with telling him that I wasn’t prepared to have insult added to injury by adding all the extra time spent zb’ing about waiting to get loaded etc etc, which that type of work inevitably involved,to the day.

WTF :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

The same applied in regards to euro work and at that time it was the owner drivers who mostly cherry picked the type of work which gave them a full load out and then a full load back on runs to Italy etc.However what the zb would I know when there’s drivers out there who obviously know,or think they know,better.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: How do you know this ■■ Let me tell you once again (from actual experience), you don’t and once again you are wrong. Not just drivers that know better but owners too.
You cannot simply derise and dismiss the opinions of people who actually have done the job and know the truth becasue they don’t fit in with your eutopian crackpot ideas. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Trust me it was that question which took place before asking for the rate for the job or the wage which the guvnor was offering.It’s just that the owner drivers were lucky enough not to have the issues,of guvnors trying to pass off zb work as decent work,that employed drivers did at the point of taking on the job.

Tha fact that you don’t seem to have got to understand all those issues yet seems a bit unusual considering that I’d learn’t most of that,except for that last issue of guvnors passing off zb work as decent work,even before I’d left the council.

Council worker and night trunker eh ■■ Wow you’ve been around a bit in the REAL world eh :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You were peppering your earlier post with the word logic.

Logic -The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning.

When everyone else, with the benefit of infinitely greater knowledge and experience is telling you that you are very very wrong, LOGIC would tell you you are. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

:wink:

Aww cmon Guys just kiss and make up :sunglasses: It’s only an internet forum not real life :laughing: :wink: None of us have ever really been lorry/truck drivers :open_mouth: We just like making story’s up about it :open_mouth: I’m really only 17 and still at high school.

Regards
Dave Penn;

davepenn54:
Aww cmon Guys just kiss and make up :sunglasses: It’s only an internet forum not real life :laughing: :wink: None of us have ever really been lorry/truck drivers :open_mouth: We just like making story’s up about it :open_mouth: I’m really only 17 and still at high school.

Regards
Dave Penn;

Well I’m a 59 year old hairdresser in New York

switchlogic:

davepenn54:
Aww cmon Guys just kiss and make up :sunglasses: It’s only an internet forum not real life :laughing: :wink: None of us have ever really been lorry/truck drivers :open_mouth: We just like making story’s up about it :open_mouth: I’m really only 17 and still at high school.

Regards
Dave Penn;

Well I’m a 59 year old hairdresser in New York

Well I’m a frustrated ex council worker, Stobart Spotter number 70223, who likes to touch myself while watching 70’s trucking movies :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

billybigrig:

switchlogic:

davepenn54:
Aww cmon Guys just kiss and make up :sunglasses: It’s only an internet forum not real life :laughing: :wink: None of us have ever really been lorry/truck drivers :open_mouth: We just like making story’s up about it :open_mouth: I’m really only 17 and still at high school.

Regards
Dave Penn;

Well I’m a 59 year old hairdresser in New York

Well I’m a frustrated ex council worker, Stobart Spotter number 70223, who likes to touch myself while watching 70’s trucking movies :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

In your case I wouldn’t be surprised if that described you to the zb letter. :smiling_imp: :unamused: