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switchlogic:

Carryfast:
Add another two hours to the 12 hour option for the overall day together with my 11 hour driving time limit and 65 mph speed limit and that’s not a million miles away from the DOT regs that seem to work ok throughout North America.

Hang on a second! So now you are saying add another couple of hours to a 12 hour day, plus 11 hours driving, plus 65 mph. So now you want to increase speed and driving time but reduce the working day by an hour?! And that’s safer? You do realise that would be a 14 hour day or is your arithmetic as non existent as your logic? Good lord you don’t even know what your arguing for now do you? So what would your daily rest requirements be?

No I was just pointing out that,contrary to your bs hysterical view,11 hours max driving time and a 65 mph motorway speed limit seems to work just fine and ‘if’ you really must add a load of time to the day to make up for lost time zb’ing about napping,reading or whatever,that seems to be allowed for in the 14 hour overall day limit.

‘However’,using ‘my’ logic,as I’ve said zb that.In ‘my’ case the time spent doing ‘other work’ etc gets taken off the day and subtracted from the driving time time which ‘would’ have been possible had all the zb’ing about waiting and loading etc etc not been required,therefore not added to it,so I’d be happy with just the 11 hour driving limit and the 65 mph speed limit and unlike you I’d know when to call it a day without turning it into a 14 hour (or 15 hour) one to make up for lost time spent doing ‘other work’ during the day.

Which is why I made the point that any union,if it’s got any sense,would probably want to keep the 65 mph speeds and the 11 hour driving time limit but would be happy with a reduction in the overall day to around 12 hours,using ‘my’ logic of the ‘maximium permitted driving time’ is just that not a target and what doesn’t get done today gets done tomorrow and what doesn’t get done tomorrow gets done the day after.

However being that you’re obviously a raving supporter of the mad EU regs,and have obviously proved ‘your’ logic,of not knowing when,or having the bottle to,tell a guvnor to zb off it’s time to stop and call it a day,it’s also not surprising that you’d need an EU official to tell you exactly how much daily rest would be left over,out of the 24 hour period since you started and after you’ve subtracted the overall working day that you’ve just worked,instead of being able to work that out for yourself. :unamused:

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taffytrucker:
from what i can see CF you are just full of BS so do us all a favour STFU as you havent a clue what you are going on about

As I’ve said if you can’t accept that sometimes some people might not agree with your ideas of how things should be,tough.

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Longman5978:

kr79:
I tend to do 11 hours a day max driving an 8 wheel tipper with about 8 hours of that been driving. We done have much waiting around compared to haulage guys and I feel more tired tearing round doing this than when I was doing max hours on general haulage.

I agree, I do general haulage but few days ago I had 2 collections and 6 delivery multi drop day, all fast moving and only stopped for official 45 break, I felt it at the end of a 10 hour day, back on distance the next day parked up on 14 hours and felt fine!

Longman.

I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

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Thank god your safe carryfast. I’ve been worried about you all afternoon thinking you might be the bloke going mad in tottenham court rd because the didn’t get his hgv. :smiley:

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kr79:
Thank god your safe carryfast. I’ve been worried about you all afternoon thinking you might be the bloke going mad in tottenham court rd because the didn’t get his hgv. :smiley:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

“65mph, 11 hour days, double drive v8s with 1100 rpm limiters on and group hugs or blow the ■■■■■■■ lot sky high”

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billybigrig:

kr79:
Thank god your safe carryfast. I’ve been worried about you all afternoon thinking you might be the bloke going mad in tottenham court rd because the didn’t get his hgv. :smiley:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

“65mph, 11 hour days, double drive v8s with 1100 rpm limiters on and group hugs or blow the [zb] lot sky high”

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Fail.He didn’t manage to do all that having managed to lock himself in the same holdall that he had the bomb in from the outside with the keys to the lock still in his pocket. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

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Carryfast:
No I was just pointing out that,contrary to your bs hysterical view,11 hours max driving time and a 65 mph motorway speed limit seems to work just fine

Work fine where exactly ■■ :stuck_out_tongue:

and ‘if’ you really must add a load of time to the day to make up for lost time zb’ing about napping,reading or whatever,that seems to be allowed for in the 14 hour overall day limit.

What 14 hour limit ? How is this much different from the current 15 hours ■■ Are you suggesting that taking a relaxing approach to ones day should not be allowed ■■? :stuck_out_tongue:

‘However’,using ‘my’ logic,as I’ve said zb that.In ‘my’ case the time spent doing ‘other work’ etc gets taken off the day and subtracted from the driving time time which ‘would’ have been possible had all the zb’ing about waiting and loading etc etc not been required,therefore not added to it,so I’d be happy with just the 11 hour driving limit and the 65 mph speed limit and unlike you I’d know when to call it a day without turning it into a 14 hour (or 15 hour) one to make up for lost time spent doing ‘other work’ during the day.

Which would result in pressure on, or the choice by, drivers to record it as rest so a reasonable amount of work could be achieved. It would also mean drivers fighting your mythical clock to get from point a to point b constantly pushing the boundaries and we all know that never ends well. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Which is why I made the point that any union,if it’s got any sense,would probably want to keep the 65 mph speeds and the 11 hour driving time limit but would be happy with a reduction in the overall day to around 12 hours,using ‘my’ logic of the ‘maximium permitted driving time’ is just that not a target and what doesn’t get done today gets done tomorrow and what doesn’t get done tomorrow gets done the day after.

What union, what limits, what the [zb] are you on about. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Seek professional medical assistance my good man :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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Carryfast:

Longman5978:

kr79:
I tend to do 11 hours a day max driving an 8 wheel tipper with about 8 hours of that been driving. We done have much waiting around compared to haulage guys and I feel more tired tearing round doing this than when I was doing max hours on general haulage.

I agree, I do general haulage but few days ago I had 2 collections and 6 delivery multi drop day, all fast moving and only stopped for official 45 break, I felt it at the end of a 10 hour day, back on distance the next day parked up on 14 hours and felt fine!

Longman.

I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

It’s not multi drop that’s quite hard in a tipper.
What it shows is 15 hours is feasible because there will be quite a lot of non working in that time.

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billybigrig:

Carryfast:
No I was just pointing out that,contrary to your bs hysterical view,11 hours max driving time and a 65 mph motorway speed limit seems to work just fine

Work fine where exactly ■■ :stuck_out_tongue:

and ‘if’ you really must add a load of time to the day to make up for lost time zb’ing about napping,reading or whatever,that seems to be allowed for in the 14 hour overall day limit.

What 14 hour limit ? How is this much different from the current 15 hours ■■ Are you suggesting that taking a relaxing approach to ones day should not be allowed ■■? :stuck_out_tongue:

‘However’,using ‘my’ logic,as I’ve said zb that.In ‘my’ case the time spent doing ‘other work’ etc gets taken off the day and subtracted from the driving time time which ‘would’ have been possible had all the zb’ing about waiting and loading etc etc not been required,therefore not added to it,so I’d be happy with just the 11 hour driving limit and the 65 mph speed limit and unlike you I’d know when to call it a day without turning it into a 14 hour (or 15 hour) one to make up for lost time spent doing ‘other work’ during the day.

Which would result in pressure on, or the choice by, drivers to record it as rest so a reasonable amount of work could be achieved. It would also mean drivers fighting your mythical clock to get from point a to point b constantly pushing the boundaries and we all know that never ends well. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Which is why I made the point that any union,if it’s got any sense,would probably want to keep the 65 mph speeds and the 11 hour driving time limit but would be happy with a reduction in the overall day to around 12 hours,using ‘my’ logic of the ‘maximium permitted driving time’ is just that not a target and what doesn’t get done today gets done tomorrow and what doesn’t get done tomorrow gets done the day after.

What union, what limits, what the [zb] are you on about. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Seek professional medical assistance my good man :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I don’t see any campaign going on in North America for speed limiters to be fitted to all trucks set at 55 mph and a reduction in driving time to 9-10 hours and an increase in the overall day to 15 hours. :bulb: :smiling_imp:

I’m suggesting that the idea of driving a bit faster,instead of plodding around at 55 mph or less and having the flexibility provided by an increase in the driving time to 11 hours,and knowing when to call it a day,and leave what doesn’t get done today for tomorrow so on and so forth,is a lot more relaxing than the idea of trying to make up for the time lost during the day to loading and waiting etc etc,by adding it to the day.To the point where knackered drivers are still out there plodding along at 55 mph up to 15 hours after they started work for the day.

However I don’t remember even the guvnor trying to use any bs reasons that I was making life harder and more stressful for myself by working to my own ideas of a fair (and safe) day’s work,from the point of view of tiredness,than his the last time that I had a similar argument to this one.

As for what limits what union it’s all a hypothetical argument because so far the EU rules as they stand reflect your ideas not mine and the unions don’t seem to have a clue.

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Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
Add another two hours to the 12 hour option for the overall day together with my 11 hour driving time limit and 65 mph speed limit and that’s not a million miles away from the DOT regs that seem to work ok throughout North America.

Hang on a second! So now you are saying add another couple of hours to a 12 hour day, plus 11 hours driving, plus 65 mph. So now you want to increase speed and driving time but reduce the working day by an hour?! And that’s safer? You do realise that would be a 14 hour day or is your arithmetic as non existent as your logic? Good lord you don’t even know what your arguing for now do you? So what would your daily rest requirements be?

No I was just pointing out that,contrary to your bs hysterical view,11 hours max driving time and a 65 mph motorway speed limit seems to work just fine and ‘if’ you really must add a load of time to the day to make up for lost time zb’ing about napping,reading or whatever,that seems to be allowed for in the 14 hour overall day limit.

‘However’,using ‘my’ logic,as I’ve said zb that.In ‘my’ case the time spent doing ‘other work’ etc gets taken off the day and subtracted from the driving time time which ‘would’ have been possible had all the zb’ing about waiting and loading etc etc not been required,therefore not added to it,so I’d be happy with just the 11 hour driving limit and the 65 mph speed limit and unlike you I’d know when to call it a day without turning it into a 14 hour (or 15 hour) one to make up for lost time spent doing ‘other work’ during the day.

Which is why I made the point that any union,if it’s got any sense,would probably want to keep the 65 mph speeds and the 11 hour driving time limit but would be happy with a reduction in the overall day to around 12 hours,using ‘my’ logic of the ‘maximium permitted driving time’ is just that not a target and what doesn’t get done today gets done tomorrow and what doesn’t get done tomorrow gets done the day after.

However being that you’re obviously a raving supporter of the mad EU regs,and have obviously proved ‘your’ logic,of not knowing when,or having the bottle to,tell a guvnor to zb off it’s time to stop and call it a day,it’s also not surprising that you’d need an EU official to tell you exactly how much daily rest would be left over,out of the 24 hour period since you started and after you’ve subtracted the overall working day that you’ve just worked,instead of being able to work that out for yourself. :unamused:

Do you even understand what you’ve written there yourself? Talk about a lot of baffling gobbledygook. You’ve still no idea what you actually do think have you? So you can’t really expect us to get it. Your ideas seem to change with every post. I did get the last bit though. I’ve never really needed the ‘bottle’ to tell the ‘guvnor’ when I’ve had enough. Unlike you I’m not a feeble man that keels over after 11 hours. Only twice have I had to say I can’t go on, first time was after 29 hours in Italy, second I was ill. Nice try though old bean.

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Carryfast:
11 hours max driving time and a 65 mph motorway speed limit seems to work just fine :

Ok I’m managing to decipher little bits. Seems to work just fine where exactly? Oh let me guess…

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Carryfast:
I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

Neither of which you seem to have any experience of…

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kr79:

Carryfast:

Longman5978:

kr79:
I tend to do 11 hours a day max driving an 8 wheel tipper with about 8 hours of that been driving. We done have much waiting around compared to haulage guys and I feel more tired tearing round doing this than when I was doing max hours on general haulage.

I agree, I do general haulage but few days ago I had 2 collections and 6 delivery multi drop day, all fast moving and only stopped for official 45 break, I felt it at the end of a 10 hour day, back on distance the next day parked up on 14 hours and felt fine!

Longman.

I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

It’s not multi drop that’s quite hard in a tipper.
What it shows is 15 hours is feasible because there will be quite a lot of non working in that time.

I was referring to Longman’s post.I don’t think I can remember any time when just a 45 minute break in the middle of the day wasn’t sufficient.More pointless breaks just adds to the overall day.As I said the post seemed to reflect the difference between long distance and zb local multi drop general haulage work.

As I’ve said there’s not much difference between a good long distance,full load,general haulage job,and a good trunking job.However you still seem to be under the false (and risky) idea that time spent waiting etc etc won’t count just as much in causing a tiredness risk,by adding that to the driving time and keeping on going up to 15 hours overall,instead of subtracting it and stopping and leaving what doesn’t get done today for tomorrow.

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Come on Carryfast don’t drag the USA into this again, you have even less experience of there than you do here. You might as well say ‘they do it in Argentina like this’ for all the similarities between here and the US. You haven’t driven a truck in 13 years, it’s hard enough getting up to 55 some days in places let alone 65. I’d like to see you drive your preferred route round Paris at 65. Not to mention the insane amount of diesel that would burn.

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Carryfast:
As I’ve said there’s not much difference between a good long distance,full load,general haulage job,and a good trunking job.

Yep, absolutely no idea. No idea at all

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switchlogic:

Carryfast:
I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

Neither of which you seem to have any experience of…

It was you who said that you’ve got no experience of direct return runs between Heathrow and Leeds for example which is about as ‘long distance’ as UK work gets in a day (with the exception of some other examples like Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow which took a bit longer) and my experience of multi drop was enough to know that it’s zb work to be avoided and left for all the other mugs that want to do it.A bit like 15 hour days. :unamused:

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CabbageFart:
don’t see any campaign going on in North America for speed limiters to be fitted to all trucks set at 55 mph and a reduction in driving time to 9-10 hours and an increase in the overall day to 15 hours. :bulb: :smiling_imp:

Really ■■ Well firstly I never said there was a campaign for speed limiters Cabbagefart :wink: What I said and is correct is that trucking companies were limiting there vehicles voluntarily to increase fuel mileage and reduce operating costs. They themselves had tested and concluded that slower = more efficient overall.
Some Canadian provinces now mandate the fitment of speed limiters though. In practice a lot of the big fleets to have already screwed them right down. Even small to mid sized hauliers like NewMercMans gaffer are doing it. Are you telling us that they are all wrong and that the big fleets in this country going down to 50/52 are wrong too ■■?

As for the reduction in driving time ? Well unsurprisingly wrong again

In October 2009, U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) signed a settlement agreement with the Teamsters Union, Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety and Public Citizen in attempt to end the latest round of litigation over the hours of service (HOS) regulations for truck drivers. As a condition of the settlement, DOT officials agreed to ‘review and reconsider’ the current HOS rules.

Accordingly, in December 2010, DOT’s Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) published proposed revisions to the rules. These proposed changes included a reduction in driving time to 10 hours per shift and substantial limitations on the use of the restart provision that would require qualifying restarts to include two nighttime rest periods (midnight to 6 a.m.) Over 20,000 drivers, motor carriers and trade associations responded to the proposal by filing formal comments to the record. The vast majority of these responses strenuously objected to the proposed changes.

This is as far as I know still doing the rounds in the upper courts. Not that it matters because anyone not on Elogs would still do the same hours :wink: So much for your mighty Teamsters union and your theory of wanting to keep the 11 hour day :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing:

I’m suggesting that the idea of driving a bit faster,instead of plodding around at 55 mph or less and having the flexibility provided by an increase in the driving time to 11 hours,and knowing when to call it a day,and leave what doesn’t get done today for tomorrow so on and so forth,is a lot more relaxing than the idea of trying to make up for the time lost during the day to loading and waiting etc etc,by adding it to the day.To the point where knackered drivers are still out there plodding along at 55 mph up to 15 hours after they started work for the day.

No you’re actually suggesting that driving faster in a country of dense traffic to make up for time in a restricted shift period is safer than taking a break and running the quieter periods to make the miles. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

However I don’t remember even the guvnor trying to use any bs reasons that I was making life harder and more stressful for myself by working to my own ideas of a fair (and safe) day’s work,from the point of view of tiredness,than his the last time that I had a similar argument to this one.

Would that be because it never actually happened ■■? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

As for what limits what union it’s all a hypothetical argument because so far the EU rules as they stand reflect your ideas not mine and the unions don’t seem to have a clue.

No, again as I said just a few posts back I dislike the EU rules :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:
I make them work for me because I can and it’s far safer and more relaxing than your [zb]witted fantasies :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
I think that issue has more to do with the difference between zb local multi drop work compared to long distance full loads. :bulb:

Neither of which you seem to have any experience of…

It was you who said that you’ve got no experience of direct return runs between Heathrow and Leeds for example which is about as ‘long distance’ as UK work gets in a day (with the exception of some other examples like Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow which took a bit longer) and my experience of multi drop was enough to know that it’s zb work to be avoided and left for all the other mugs that want to do it.A bit like 15 hour days. :unamused:

No experience of direct runs between Heathrow and Leeds, oh god your right, my career has been a complete failure. If only I was as experienced as you then I’d know it all…

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At the end of the day any idiot can trunk between depots but not everyone can hack general haulage or your so called zb local multi drop work. Because that requires flexibility and common sense.

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i think we should all stop picking on CF he has lost the plot

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