Carryfast:
I reckon that you’d have got a shock to find out what real general haulage was like 1980’s uk style.
Wanna bet on that? You want to have tried some of my jobs of you think 15 hours is a long day. Try working for irish and Dutch fridge operators.
That’s the difference.You’re all about taking the risk of mixing driving with (zb) long hours.There’s been plenty who’ve done the same thing and the results usually all come down to luck which is something I’ve never been so keen on trusting.
However according to your own comments the risks were reduced in your case by all that time spent sitting around reading and napping etc etc.
Well no actually I wouldn’t. Because unlike you I do the job as my employer wants it done. And if I don’t like how they want it done I find a new employer.
Which part of that’s exactly what I’ve told you I did don’t you understand.
However it was the ‘employer’ in this case who obviously decided afterwards that my ideas couldn’t have been so bad after all or he obviously wouldn’t have bothered with asking if I would be interested in going back there to work.
You obviously can’t tell when I’m talking about now and then. Now and running legal is when I get plenty of time to do other things, like most doing 15 hours. Back when I was working for days at a time I barely had time to eat let alone sleep.
So on the one hand you told your boss in the couple of months you were in general haulage that you were going to do it your way but then in the later post you reckon I’d be shocked at how hard your job was in the 80s. There’s so little consistency in your posts it’s funny! So did you do it your way or did you not?
Well no actually I wouldn’t. Because unlike you I do the job as my employer wants it done. And if I don’t like how they want it done I find a new employer.
Which part of that’s exactly what I’ve told you I did don’t you understand.
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Right so you did you what the boss wanted? Or you didn’t? You don’t seem to know yourself. You were boasting you did it your way and he wanted you back earlier even though you were obviously an moaning slacker
Carryfast:
Firstly every hour wasted in a queue to get loaded and tipped didn’t mean that lost time didn’t have to be made up when you eventually did get in or out of the gate and it certainly was a case of getting involved with the loading and securing it etc etc using a tilt or a flat.Then to add insult to injury as I’ve said the guvnor wanted all that lost time made up for and forgotten about in getting it to where it was going and getting it tipped all within the same day.However where I was arguing with the guvnor about the issue of knowing when to call it a day,according to his posts here Luke would probably have been arguing with about the type of speed that he was expected to run at let alone not being able to sit there reading etc etc when he needed to be getting on with sheeting a load on a flat using a zb tilt cover for a sheet for example.
WTF are you on about ■■?
I can’t actually make head and tale of the first bit to comment on it.
As for the underlined bit, again WTF are you on about or just on Have you read Lukes posts at all, even just this thread would be a start ■■ You’ve taken random words from his posts and tagged them together into some sort of nonsensical conclusion. I’ll let him finish this off but have you actually read where he wrote about working for HSF amongst others and the hours involved ■■ Yet here you are trying to insinuate he would be arguing about wanting to read when he should be sheeting a load ■■?
You tell me and the others who asked exactly what gaffer in that era put up with your moaning and in fact embraced it, even inviting you back ■■?
Carryfat, there are landfills full of less [zb] than you.
Carryfast:
Firstly every hour wasted in a queue to get loaded and tipped didn’t mean that lost time didn’t have to be made up when you eventually did get in or out of the gate and it certainly was a case of getting involved with the loading and securing it etc etc using a tilt or a flat.Then to add insult to injury as I’ve said the guvnor wanted all that lost time made up for and forgotten about in getting it to where it was going and getting it tipped all within the same day.However where I was arguing with the guvnor about the issue of knowing when to call it a day,according to his posts here Luke would probably have been arguing with about the type of speed that he was expected to run at let alone not being able to sit there reading etc etc when he needed to be getting on with sheeting a load on a flat using a zb tilt cover for a sheet for example.
WTF are you on about ■■?
I can’t actually make head and tale of the first bit to comment on it.
As for the underlined bit, again WTF are you on about or just on Have you read Lukes posts at all, even just this thread would be a start ■■ You’ve taken random words from his posts and tagged them together into some sort of nonsensical conclusion. I’ll let him finish this off but have you actually read where he wrote about working for HSF amongst others and the hours involved ■■ Yet here you are trying to insinuate he would be arguing about wanting to read when he should be sheeting a load ■■?
You tell me and the others who asked exactly what gaffer in that era put up with your moaning and in fact embraced it, even inviting you back ■■?
Carryfat, there are landfills full of less [zb] than you.
You’re entitled to your opinions.I’m not arguing about the fact that he seems to have been describing working some,in my own opinion,risky hours in the past assuming that they were mixed with driving.Why the zb is it considered by you to be ‘moaning’ just because someone disagrees with the EU’s ideas concerning hours regs especially the contradiction in a 9-10 hour driving limit when it’s possible to still be driving during the last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift.It’s not moaning it’s just expressing an opinion nothing more.If you don’t agree tough.
My hardest ever 15 hour shift! 1700 start at Exeter services! Run up the M5 to Gerber Bridgwater to collect a load for Somerfield East Kilbride! Run north on M5/M6 to Lymm for my first 45! then onward to Somerfield for I think a 6 am tip! Then round to CCE for a load for ESL Carlisle! Got as far as Leshmagow dropped trailer and job done by 0800!
Under 10 hour drive for that lot overnight!
Well no actually I wouldn’t. Because unlike you I do the job as my employer wants it done. And if I don’t like how they want it done I find a new employer.
Which part of that’s exactly what I’ve told you I did don’t you understand.
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Right so you did you what the boss wanted? Or you didn’t? You don’t seem to know yourself. You were boasting you did it your way and he wanted you back earlier even though you were obviously an moaning slacker
I’ll try again.He wanted the time lost during the day in waiting and loading etc etc to be made up by adding it to the day and getting loads delivered and the wagon on to the next job or back to the yard all in a day’s work.Which,in my view,meant mixing too many hours with driving.So I called it a day and stopped and carried on the following day.He was the one doing all the moaning about it not me.So I did as you say and luckily for me had the option of going back to my previous employment which I did.
If there’s drivers out there who’d rather take (what I view) the extra risk of mixing long hours with driving just to get further along the road or to the next delivery point or back to the yard in a day that’s their choice.
Carryfast:
You’re entitled to your opinions.I’m not arguing about the fact that he seems to have been describing working some,in my own opinion,risky hours in the past assuming that they were mixed with driving.Why the zb is it considered by you to be ‘moaning’ just because someone disagrees with the EU’s ideas concerning hours regs especially the contradiction in a 9-10 hour driving limit when it’s possible to still be driving during the last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift.It’s not moaning it’s just expressing an opinion nothing more.If you don’t agree tough.
Personally I loathe the EU regs, as I’ve said elsewhere on this site. I believe them to be far to rigid and unrealistic, forcing you to park when not tired yet leaving no option but to crack on when you are. When working to maximum potential they ■■■■ all over your bodies natural circadian rhythms. Then again your idea would too
Technically it’s possible to be driving 9 of the last 9 hours and 45 minutes of a 15 hour shift. My choice where its possible is always to play the rules to my advantage and I can do so because the option of the 15 is there.
As far as moaning goes FFS man pot and kettle here eh ■■? You started moaning about it and when I and everyone else shot your ideas to [zb], as is the point of debate, you get the hump and accuse me of being the moaner
You started this nonsense by spouting about how you and only you had the right ideas and the rest of the world was wrong. You then tried to back up your ideas with inaccurate facts brought about from a lack of practical experience and some obvious google fails. Then you tossed in the “well back in the day” routine at Switch forgetting that the rest of us have done a mile or two and been around for a bit too resulting in another fantastic fail.
This is a public forum for debate, you started one and had your arse handed to you on every count by every one, yet again. Get over it
billybigrig:
You started this nonsense by spouting about how you and only you had the right ideas and the rest of the world was wrong. You then tried to back up your ideas with inaccurate facts brought about from a lack of practical experience and some obvious google fails. Then you tossed in the “well back in the day” routine at Switch forgetting that the rest of us have done a mile or two and been around for a bit too resulting in another fantastic fail.
This is a public forum for debate, you started one and had your arse handed to you on every count by every one, yet again. Get over it
It happens every-time Billy. I think he is some kind of masochist, in fact when I read about that bloke locked in the holdall in a bath. I was fearing for Geoff for nearly 2 minutes
Carryfast:
You’re entitled to your opinions.I’m not arguing about the fact that he seems to have been describing working some,in my own opinion,risky hours in the past assuming that they were mixed with driving.Why the zb is it considered by you to be ‘moaning’ just because someone disagrees with the EU’s ideas concerning hours regs especially the contradiction in a 9-10 hour driving limit when it’s possible to still be driving during the last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift.It’s not moaning it’s just expressing an opinion nothing more.If you don’t agree tough.
Personally I loathe the EU regs, as I’ve said elsewhere on this site. I believe them to be far to rigid and unrealistic, forcing you to park when not tired yet leaving no option but to crack on when you are. When working to maximum potential they ■■■■ all over your bodies natural circadian rhythms. Then again your idea would too
Technically it’s possible to be driving 9 of the last 9 hours and 45 minutes of a 15 hour shift. My choice where its possible is always to play the rules to my advantage and I can do so because the option of the 15 is there.
As far as moaning goes FFS man pot and kettle here eh ■■? You started moaning about it and when I and everyone else shot your ideas to [zb], as is the point of debate, you get the hump and accuse me of being the moaner
You started this nonsense by spouting about how you and only you had the right ideas and the rest of the world was wrong. You then tried to back up your ideas with inaccurate facts brought about from a lack of practical experience and some obvious google fails. Then you tossed in the “well back in the day” routine at Switch forgetting that the rest of us have done a mile or two and been around for a bit too resulting in another fantastic fail.
This is a public forum for debate, you started one and had your arse handed to you on every count by every one, yet again. Get over it
By the way on the subject of the rest of the world and if we really must have a few extra hours on the overall day.Add another two hours to the 12 hour option for the overall day together with my 11 hour driving time limit and 65 mph speed limit and that’s not a million miles away from the DOT regs that seem to work ok throughout North America.Although I wouldn’t be too surprised if the Teamsters would like to see those overall hours for the working day reduced by a couple of hours.
billybigrig:
You started this nonsense by spouting about how you and only you had the right ideas and the rest of the world was wrong. You then tried to back up your ideas with inaccurate facts brought about from a lack of practical experience and some obvious google fails. Then you tossed in the “well back in the day” routine at Switch forgetting that the rest of us have done a mile or two and been around for a bit too resulting in another fantastic fail.
This is a public forum for debate, you started one and had your arse handed to you on every count by every one, yet again. Get over it
It happens every-time Billy. I think he is some kind of masochist, in fact when I read about that bloke locked in the holdall in a bath. I was fearing for Geoff for nearly 2 minutes
Not me I’m a bit claustrophobic.
But wouldn’t be surprised if he’s had some input into the eu transport regs because by all accounts he’s managed to lock himself in from the outside and he had the keys with him on the inside .So he was obviously a better magician at locking himself in than Houdini was in getting himself out and it’s obviously the same type of logic as went into the eu drivers’ hours regs.
The only useful thing the HOS regs have going for them is the ease with which you can fiddle them and trucking in North America bares no operational similarities to transport in Europe. There have been several attempts to increase them in line with the Canoodlians. If you ask most OTR drivers what they think of the last helpful changes they made I promise you the reply will not be complimentry. As for your “mighty” Teamsters ■■ Now I know you’ve been watching to many movies, they’re as toothless as half of Norfolk these days
I tend to do 11 hours a day max driving an 8 wheel tipper with about 8 hours of that been driving. We done have much waiting around compared to haulage guys and I feel more tired tearing round doing this than when I was doing max hours on general haulage.
Carryfast:
Add another two hours to the 12 hour option for the overall day together with my 11 hour driving time limit and 65 mph speed limit and that’s not a million miles away from the DOT regs that seem to work ok throughout North America.
Hang on a second! So now you are saying add another couple of hours to a 12 hour day, plus 11 hours driving, plus 65 mph. So now you want to increase speed and driving time but reduce the working day by an hour?! And that’s safer? You do realise that would be a 14 hour day or is your arithmetic as non existent as your logic? Good lord you don’t even know what your arguing for now do you? So what would your daily rest requirements be?
kr79:
I tend to do 11 hours a day max driving an 8 wheel tipper with about 8 hours of that been driving. We done have much waiting around compared to haulage guys and I feel more tired tearing round doing this than when I was doing max hours on general haulage.
I agree, I do general haulage but few days ago I had 2 collections and 6 delivery multi drop day, all fast moving and only stopped for official 45 break, I felt it at the end of a 10 hour day, back on distance the next day parked up on 14 hours and felt fine!
Can’t believe that this thread is still trundling along ‘Carryfast’ you seem to be the type of fella that would be avoided at all costs, you know the type a bit of a ■■■■■■■ knowall, ‘Switchlogic’ you are guilty of encouraging the moron So lets all work as many hours as we want and travel at whatever speed we want Whoa hang on think I did that in the 70’s & 80’s on general haulage
Have you read Lukes posts at all, even just this thread would be a start ■■ You’ve taken random words from his posts and tagged them together into some sort of nonsensical conclusion. I’ll let him finish this off but have you actually read where he wrote about working for HSF amongst others and the hours involved ■■ Yet here you are trying to insinuate he would be arguing about wanting to read when he should be sheeting a load ■■? 
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‘Switchlogic’ you are guilty of encouraging the moron